Never before seen wonders II - Elimination Thread

[Xandinho]

Bayt al-Hikma - 47 + 1 = 48 Well, I think I'll start supporting the best option on the list.
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 11 - 3 = 8 I'm less interested in this, third place is good.
Uraniborg - 45

 

[Kimiimaro]

Bayt al-Hikma - 48+1=49 - The best choice left to me. As I said, it was possibly the biggest centre of Islamic education and (not just) Islamic knowledge during the Golden age of Islam. Sadly, it was destroyed by Mongols
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 8-3=5 - Simply not as interesting as Uraniborg or Bayt al-Hikma.
Uraniborg - 45

 

[Guandao]

Bayt al-Hikma - (49-3)=46 I think medieval Islamic science is already represented by Arabia's Madrasas. And we haven't got any clue how this structure looked like before it's destruction (I don't want anymore of those kinds of wonders, Great Library is enough). Do they even know where in Baghdad this library stood? Arabia has had a world wonder before (Spiral Minaret of Samarra) and may receive one eventually, but I don't favor this one for them.
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 5 I'll leave someone else the "honor" of eliminating this great structure.
Uraniborg - (45+1)=46 Scandinavia has never had a World Wonder and this is a good choice to represent them. We have drawings of how it looked like, so I'll support it over the House of Wisdom. Renaissance European science deserves more love.

Kimiimaro a Czech Muslim confirmed! You did like Suleiman to return in Civ6 in one of my threads for some strange reason.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Kimiimaro a Czech Muslim confirmed! You did like Suleiman to return in Civ6 in one of my threads for some strange reason.

I'm an atheist, actually Also, I want Suleiman to return because I want the Ottoman Empire to return

 

[Guandao]

I'm an atheist, actually Also, I want Suleiman to return because I want the Ottoman Empire to return

You want the Ottoman Empire to return with the same exact leader it had in Civ5.
Are you open to a non-Suleiman Ottoman leader?

 

[Kimiimaro]

You want the Ottoman Empire to return with the same exact leader it had in Civ5.
Are you open to a non-Suleiman Ottoman leader?

Mehmed II, Abdülmecid I, ...

 

[Morningcalm]

Bayt al-Hikma - 46 + 1 = 47 (An empire's mighty science accomplishment that exemplifies the Golden Age of Muslim science. Right now we only have the Arabian unique building (the Madrasa) representing that in any form. In general Muslim scientific accomplishments are lesser known, and having a world wonder for this status could be a nice thing for representation)
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 5 Not a great structure imo, but a pedestrian stone structure only known for being a spiral observatory. Not in the same size, category or class as any world wonder, and it's already been in Civ (Chichen Itza).
Uraniborg - 46 - 3 = 43 (The result of an individual endeavor, rather than that of an empire. We've had plenty of European science representation in Civ.)

 

[Guandao]

Bayt al-Hikma - 46 + 1 = 47 (An empire's mighty science accomplishment that exemplifies the Golden Age of Muslim science. Right now we only have the Arabian unique building (the Madrasa) representing that in any form. In general Muslim scientific accomplishments are lesser known, and having a world wonder for this status could be a nice thing for representation)
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 5 Not a great structure imo, but a pedestrian stone structure only known for being a spiral observatory. Not in the same size, category or class as any world wonder, and it's already been in Civ (Chichen Itza).
Uraniborg - 46 - 3 = 43 (The result of an individual endeavor, rather than that of an empire. We've had plenty of European science representation in Civ.)

You just had to insult El Caracol. I'm guessing you are opposed to a Cheomseongdae wonder as well.

PS: no hard feelings, just felt like making a snarky comment.

Since there is no exact depiction of Bayt al-Hikma. I wonder how Firaxis would portray it. Would they exaggerate it's decorations or make some sort of indication it's used for science?

 

[Guatenadian]

Bayt al-Hikma - 48 (47+1) Madrasas are good and all, but scientific representation of the Middle East shouldn't be limited to them.
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 5
Uraniborg - 40 (43-3) Second place is a good place for this one.

 

[Guandao]

Looks like poor Uraniborg will be taking second place. I know Bayt al-Hikma was significant, but I'm not keen on adding wonders for which we have entirely no clue about the appearance. Closest example to that is probably the Great Library of Alexandria.

Would it resemble a Mosque? probably not. Maybe a larger version of the Madrasa.

 

[Xandinho]

Bayt al-Hikma - 48 + 1 = 49 More interesting to me, maybe its only problem is its appearance, but I do not think it's an aggravating factor. We do not know how the Hanging Gardens really were (perhaps they did not even exist), and do we have any clue how the Palace of Amanitore looked?
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 5 - 3 = 2 Less interesting to me.
Uraniborg - 40

 

[Guandao]

Bayt al-Hikma - 48 + 1 = 49 More interesting to me, maybe its only problem is its appearance, but I do not think it's an aggravating factor. We do not know how the Hanging Gardens really were (perhaps they did not even exist), and do we have any clue how the Palace of Amanitore looked?
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 5 - 3 = 2 Less interesting to me.
Uraniborg - 40

The Palace of Amanitore isn't a World Wonder though...but thanks for downvoting El Caracol instead of Uraniborg.

 

[God of Kings]

Bayt al-Hikma - 49
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 2 - 3 = ELIMINATED Third place is good enough
Uraniborg - 40 + 1 = 41 For the noseless astronomer!

 

[Xandinho]

The Palace of Amanitore isn't a World Wonder though...but thanks for downvoting El Caracol instead of Uraniborg.

I meant Jebel Barkal

 

[Siptah]

I meant Jebel Barkal

We know a lot about it, Wkioedia doesn‘t however. And it‘s not a palace wonder.

 

[Xandinho]

We know a lot about it, Wkioedia doesn‘t however. And it‘s not a palace wonder.

I thought that the Palace of Amanitore stood between the structures around the hill of Jebel Barkal

 

[Siptah]

I thought that the Palace of Amanitore stood between the structures around the hill of Jebel Barkal

You made me question my knowledge there, so I looked it up.
The structure you are referring to is B100 in the map. It is usually called an early Meroitic palace, so I didn't connect it with Amanitore. As it turns out, it was restored by Natakamani and Amanitore later and can be described as Amanitore's palace if you want to. Note that their main palace was in Meroë, the capital of that time. The map shows you that the wonder in civ VI mainly depicts the holy mountain (which is the most important thing anyway, and it is after all called Jebel Barkal and not Barkal in civ VI) and the temple of Amun, which was built in the New Kingdom first. There are some smaller buildings around the mountain, but my eye didn't identify them as palaces. The pyramids are not to be seen on the map, they aren't that close in reality.

Bayt al-Hikma - 46 (49-3) You won't reach 50!
Uraniborg - 42 (41+1) I doubt that it will win, but I still hope so.

 

[Guandao]

Bayt al-Hikma - (46-3)=43 Not a trace of this exists anymore, and by the time it was destroyed, the Caliphate was in decline. A certain Caliph, Al-Mutawakkil, decided to not support science, and the library was probably neglected. Also, how would Firaxis make this wonder distinctive? It would be basically a larger Madrasah. I really don't need a Great Library type wonder in the Medieval Era. I tend to speed by that era.
Uraniborg - (42+1)=43 A product of a single scientist, but it looks distinctive/cool and represents a part of Europe which never had a world wonder before, Scandinavia. It makes sense for there to be a Renaissance scientific wonder. (Not saying the Medieval era didn't have any advances, but I prefer a Renaissance era science wonder)

Uraniborg may not win, but I will fight for the noseless guy's observatory.

 

[TahamiTsunami]

Bayt al-Hikma - 43 - 3 = 40 Both of these are great wonders and they definitely deserve the top 2 places. However...
Uraniborg - 43 + 1 = 44 I like this one just a bit more.

 

[Morningcalm]

Bayt al-Hikma - 40 + 1 = 41 (An empire's dream, and there are images of it that are non-textual in nature on Google so it's not entirely unfounded visually. The fact that the structure was destroyed just makes me want to upvote it more (as a tribute))
Uraniborg - 44 - 3 = 41 (One European man's dream. And we have plenty of European science reps already.)

And yeah Guandao I don't think the Korean observatory, old though it be, is a world wonder. While of interest, it is hardly impressive enough to be called a "wonder". Hwangnyeongsa is a different story...or 9 stories. Bad pun (it's late). El Caracol is unimpressive because it wasn't really the first in anything (unlike Cheomseongdae), and it isn't exactly as impressive as El Castillo or a host of other structures. For me the biggest problem with El Caracol was the impression it wasn't all that important. Mayans probably had many other buildings with astronomy-related positioning, tracking etc.