Never before seen wonders II - Elimination Thread

[Xandinho]

Arc de Triomphe - 14
Burg Hohenzollern - 21
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 20
Chateau Frontenac - 21 + 1 = 22 It really is a beautiful building and would look great on the map. As has been said before, this can be a kind of wonder that grants tourism and helps in cultural victory.
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 20
Colossi of Memnon - 20
Dhammayangyi Temple - 20
Dunedin Railway Station - 14
Etemenanki - 21
Fasil Ghebbi - 20
Humayun's Tomb - 20
Iglesia de Achao - 20
Krak des Chevaliers - 20
Las Vegas Strip - 14
Museo El Castillo - 20
Naqshe-e Rustam - 21
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 20
Palácio de Pena - 20
Prambanan - 20
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 20
Swayambhunath - 20
Teatro Colón - 21
Temple of Heaven - 21
Temple of the Great Jaguar - 18 - 3 = 15 Although I love Mesoamerican culture, I agree that another pyramid in that region is not a priority right now (the Pyramid of the Sun is an obvious exception, of course). And this style of pyramid would be best worked as a unique improvement of the Mayan Civilization.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Arc de Triomphe - 14
Burg Hohenzollern - 21
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 20
Chateau Frontenac - 22
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 20
Colossi of Memnon - 20
Dhammayangyi Temple - 20
Dunedin Railway Station - 14
Etemenanki - 21
Fasil Ghebbi - 20
Humayun's Tomb - 20
Iglesia de Achao - 20
Krak des Chevaliers - 20+1=21 - It would make a really nice castle wonder.
Las Vegas Strip - 14
Museo El Castillo - 20
Naqshe-e Rustam - 21
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 20
Palácio de Pena - 20
Prambanan - 20
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 20
Swayambhunath - 20
Teatro Colón - 21
Temple of Heaven - 21
Temple of the Great Jaguar - 15-3=12 - Chichén Itzá and Huey Teocalli already cover Mesoamerican Pyramids.

 

[Siptah]

Arc de Triomphe - 14
Burg Hohenzollern - 21
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 20
Chateau Frontenac - 22
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 20
Colossi of Memnon - 17 (20-3) That's a joke, right? It would be a rather better idea to include the whole (magnificent) Mortuary Temple of Amenhotep III. But since I feel against more religious wonders these days, why not choose the nearby and also magnificent palace of Malkata built and inhabited by the same Pharaoh? From what I've read and seen, it belongs to the most amazing palace buildings in Egypt's history and is (with the exception of Akhenaten's and Nefertiti's diverse palaces in Akhetaten) the most famous one today.
Dhammayangyi Temple - 20
Dunedin Railway Station - 14
Etemenanki - 21
Fasil Ghebbi - 20
Humayun's Tomb - 20
Iglesia de Achao - 20
Krak des Chevaliers - 21
Las Vegas Strip - 14
Museo El Castillo - 20
Naqshe-e Rustam - 22 (21+1) Amazing place full of history. I have to disagree with the religious connotation to Zoroastrism though. My infos on Persia are all at least 10 years old, but back then there was no proof that Achaemenid Persia had Zoroastrism as a state religion and there is no clue how exactly that religion was. That's all stuff of later ages. So I'm unsure what bonus this would get.
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 20
Palácio de Pena - 20
Prambanan - 20
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 20
Swayambhunath - 20
Teatro Colón - 21
Temple of Heaven - 21
Temple of the Great Jaguar - 12

 

[Guandao]

Arc de Triomphe - 14
Burg Hohenzollern - 21
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 20
Chateau Frontenac - 22
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 20
Colossi of Memnon - 17
Dhammayangyi Temple - 20
Dunedin Railway Station - 14
Etemenanki - 21
Fasil Ghebbi - 20
Humayun's Tomb - 20
Iglesia de Achao - 20
Krak des Chevaliers - 21
Las Vegas Strip - (14-3)=11 I think it would look a little strange on the map. Only good for providing amenities or gold, but I dislike the place (having visited it years ago).
Museo El Castillo - 20
Naqshe-e Rustam - 22
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 20
Palácio de Pena - 20
Prambanan - (20+1)=21 It's a decent choice for a wonder. Also a WHS.
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 20
Swayambhunath - 20
Teatro Colón - 21
Temple of Heaven - 21
Temple of the Great Jaguar - 12

 

[Morningcalm]

Arc de Triomphe - 14
Burg Hohenzollern - 21
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 20
Chateau Frontenac - 22
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 20
Colossi of Memnon - 17
Dhammayangyi Temple - 20
Dunedin Railway Station - 14 - 3 = 11 (In what universe is this a WORLD WONDER?!?! At least the Arc de Triomphe is iconic, beautiful and has cool lore behind it; this railway station was largely just functional, pretty buildings aside)
Etemenanki - 21
Fasil Ghebbi - 20
Humayun's Tomb - 20
Iglesia de Achao - 20
Krak des Chevaliers - 21
Las Vegas Strip - 11
Museo El Castillo - 20
Naqshe-e Rustam - 22
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 20
Palácio de Pena - 20
Prambanan - 21
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 20
Swayambhunath - 20
Teatro Colón - 21
Temple of Heaven - 21 + 1 = 22 (A rather magnificent sight, iconic symbol of China, and makes appearances in Age of Empires I through III)
Temple of the Great Jaguar - 12

 

[Zaarin]

Naqshe-e Rustam - 22 (21+1) Amazing place full of history. I have to disagree with the religious connotation to Zoroastrism though. My infos on Persia are all at least 10 years old, but back then there was no proof that Achaemenid Persia had Zoroastrism as a state religion and there is no clue how exactly that religion was. That's all stuff of later ages. So I'm unsure what bonus this would get.

I can't speak for all Achaemenid kings, but Cyrus and Darius were both devout Zoroastrians (almost all inscriptions by Darius credit Ahura Mazda with his success), and while the exact purpose of the Ka'ba-ye Zartosht is uncertain, it does bear an inscription by a Zoroastrian priest. At any rate, Zoroastrian wonders are hard to come by (most Persian monuments being secular), and at present Zoroastrianism, along with Shinto, is one of the few in-game religions with no representation outside its symbol (I'd still love to see fire temples added as one of the places of worship you can select).

 

[Siptah]

I can't speak for all Achaemenid kings, but Cyrus and Darius were both devout Zoroastrians (almost all inscriptions by Darius credit Ahura Mazda with his success), and while the exact purpose of the Ka'ba-ye Zartosht is uncertain, it does bear an inscription by a Zoroastrian priest. At any rate, Zoroastrian wonders are hard to come by (most Persian monuments being secular), and at present Zoroastrianism, along with Shinto, is one of the few in-game religions with no representation outside its symbol (I'd still love to see fire temples added as one of the places of worship you can select).

You are right with the fire temples, they'd indeed be a nice addition. And yes, Zoroastrian wonders are hard to come by, but I also don't think it is that necessary. I may be wrong here, as I said, my infos are old memories, but I think Ahura Mazda was a thing outside the Zoroastrian religion as well and what we know is that some of the Achaemenid kings worshipped that and not if they were Zoroastrian. Maybe this has been solved meanwhile and new inscriptions have transpired/were translated.

 

[God of Kings]

Maybe it would give bonuses to Wonders already built

That would be a good way to justify the Las Vegas Strip and would be excellent for those with many existing wonders.

Forbidden City + Las Vegas Strip would equal +1 Wildcard policy slot and perhaps faster legacy bonuses?

 

[Kimiimaro]

That would be a good way to justify the Las Vegas Strip and would be excellent for those with many existing wonders.

Forbidden City + Las Vegas Strip would equal +1 Wildcard policy slot and perhaps faster legacy bonuses?

Doubling the effect of existing wonders would make it pretty overpowered

 

[Zaarin]

You are right with the fire temples, they'd indeed be a nice addition. And yes, Zoroastrian wonders are hard to come by, but I also don't think it is that necessary. I may be wrong here, as I said, my infos are old memories, but I think Ahura Mazda was a thing outside the Zoroastrian religion as well and what we know is that some of the Achaemenid kings worshipped that and not if they were Zoroastrian. Maybe this has been solved meanwhile and new inscriptions have transpired/were translated.

I'm not familiar with Ahura Mazda predating Zarathushtra, though ahura might--it's cognate with the Sanskrit asura and Norse Æsir. Given that the Avesta was being assembled around the same time, I would assume that Darius & Co. at least practiced a form of proto-Zoroastrianism if not Zoroastrianism as it would develop at its peak under the Sassanids.

 

[Zaarin]

Arc de Triomphe - 14
Burg Hohenzollern - 22 (21 + 1) -- Would look incredible on the map.
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 20
Chateau Frontenac - 22
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 20
Colossi of Memnon - 17
Dhammayangyi Temple - 20
Dunedin Railway Station - 11
Etemenanki - 21
Fasil Ghebbi - 20
Humayun's Tomb - 20
Iglesia de Achao - 20
Krak des Chevaliers - 21
Las Vegas Strip - 8 (11 - 3) -- I don't think something can be simultaneously "tacky" and "a wonder."
Museo El Castillo - 20
Naqshe-e Rustam - 22
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 20
Palácio de Pena - 20
Prambanan - 21
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 20
Swayambhunath - 20
Teatro Colón - 21
Temple of Heaven - 22
Temple of the Great Jaguar - 12

 

[Guatenadian]

Arc de Triomphe - 14
Burg Hohenzollern - 22
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 20
Chateau Frontenac - 23(22+1) Again, really huge amount of bias, but this would look amazing on a map. It would fit in very well with the mechanics of Tourism.
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 20
Colossi of Memnon - 17
Dhammayangyi Temple - 20
Dunedin Railway Station - 11
Etemenanki - 21
Fasil Ghebbi - 20
Humayun's Tomb - 20
Iglesia de Achao - 20
Krak des Chevaliers - 21
Las Vegas Strip - 5 (8-3) What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.
Museo El Castillo - 20
Naqshe-e Rustam - 22
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 20
Palácio de Pena - 20
Prambanan - 21
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 20
Swayambhunath - 20
Teatro Colón - 21
Temple of Heaven - 22
Temple of the Great Jaguar - 12

 

[Xandinho]

Arc de Triomphe - 14 - 3 = 11 I'd rather have other French wonders than this.
Burg Hohenzollern - 22
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 20
Chateau Frontenac - 23
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 20
Colossi of Memnon - 17
Dhammayangyi Temple - 20
Dunedin Railway Station - 11
Etemenanki - 21
Fasil Ghebbi - 20
Humayun's Tomb - 20
Iglesia de Achao - 20
Krak des Chevaliers - 21 + 1 = 22 It seems very significant, it would be impressive on the map. And in the game there are no castles like wonders, anyway.
Las Vegas Strip - 5
Museo El Castillo - 20
Naqshe-e Rustam - 22
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 20
Palácio de Pena - 20
Prambanan - 21
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 20
Swayambhunath - 20
Teatro Colón - 21
Temple of Heaven - 22
Temple of the Great Jaguar - 12

 

[Kimiimaro]

Arc de Triomphe - 11
Burg Hohenzollern - 22
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 20
Chateau Frontenac - 23
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 20
Colossi of Memnon - 17
Dhammayangyi Temple - 20
Dunedin Railway Station - 11
Etemenanki - 21+1=22 - The Tower of Babel!
Fasil Ghebbi - 20
Humayun's Tomb - 20
Iglesia de Achao - 20
Krak des Chevaliers - 22
Las Vegas Strip - 5
Museo El Castillo - 20
Naqshe-e Rustam - 22
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 20
Palácio de Pena - 20
Prambanan - 21
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 20
Swayambhunath - 20
Teatro Colón - 21
Temple of Heaven - 22
Temple of the Great Jaguar - 12-3=9 - Third Mesoamerican pyramid wonder is unnecessary.

 

[Siptah]

Arc de Triomphe - 11
Burg Hohenzollern - 22
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 20
Chateau Frontenac - 23
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 21 (20+1) Been there many times and don't think the building itself is that wondrous and a third wonder from the same city might not be a high priority. The placement (on the fundaments of the great lighthouse on Pharos island) would bring some nice abilities to civ VI though. I imagine it needs to be built on a costal tile next to a harbor and gives fortifications and a ranged strike. Maybe also a fighting bonus to all nearby ships? Two free military engineers? A free Great General (because Qaitbay was quite a good one as it seems)?
Colossi of Memnon - 17
Dhammayangyi Temple - 20
Dunedin Railway Station - 11
Etemenanki - 19 (22-3) I'm a big dan of Mesopotamian architecture. However, with the Ziggurat as an improvement in game, I don't know if we need a special wonder one. Also, I'd chose a different one. And I think religious wonders are a lower priority right now. For a nice scientific Babylonian wonder there are other options.
Fasil Ghebbi - 20
Humayun's Tomb - 20
Iglesia de Achao - 20
Krak des Chevaliers - 22
Las Vegas Strip - 5
Museo El Castillo - 20
Naqshe-e Rustam - 22
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 20
Palácio de Pena - 20
Prambanan - 21
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 20
Swayambhunath - 20
Teatro Colón - 21
Temple of Heaven - 22
Temple of the Great Jaguar - 9

 

[Morningcalm]

Arc de Triomphe - 11
Burg Hohenzollern - 22
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 20
Chateau Frontenac - 23
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 21
Colossi of Memnon - 17 - 3 = 14 (Sure, these are a tourist attraction. But a world wonder, it is not.)
Dhammayangyi Temple - 20
Dunedin Railway Station - 11
Etemenanki - 19
Fasil Ghebbi - 20
Humayun's Tomb - 20
Iglesia de Achao - 20
Krak des Chevaliers - 22
Las Vegas Strip - 5
Museo El Castillo - 20
Naqshe-e Rustam - 22
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 20
Palácio de Pena - 20
Prambanan - 21
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 20
Swayambhunath - 20
Teatro Colón - 21
Temple of Heaven - 22 + 1 = 23 (Frankly one of the best wonders on this list, and undeniably iconic.)
Temple of the Great Jaguar - 9

 

[Guatenadian]

Arc de Triomphe - 11
Burg Hohenzollern - 23 (22+1) I want more castle based wonders in this game.
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 17 (20-3) This doesn't really stand out from the other religious wonders on this list and there are more impressive cathedrals and places of worship in Latin America.
Chateau Frontenac - 23
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 21
Colossi of Memnon - 14
Dhammayangyi Temple - 20
Dunedin Railway Station - 11
Etemenanki - 19
Fasil Ghebbi - 20
Humayun's Tomb - 20
Iglesia de Achao - 20
Krak des Chevaliers - 22
Las Vegas Strip - 5
Museo El Castillo - 20
Naqshe-e Rustam - 22
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 20
Palácio de Pena - 20
Prambanan - 21
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 20
Swayambhunath - 20
Teatro Colón - 21
Temple of Heaven - 23
Temple of the Great Jaguar - 9

 

[Zaarin]

Arc de Triomphe - 11
Burg Hohenzollern - 23
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 17
Chateau Frontenac - 23
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 21
Colossi of Memnon - 14
Dhammayangyi Temple - 20
Dunedin Railway Station - 11
Etemenanki - 19
Fasil Ghebbi - 20
Humayun's Tomb - 20
Iglesia de Achao - 20
Krak des Chevaliers - 22
Las Vegas Strip - 5
Museo El Castillo - 17 (20 - 3) -- I think the Louvre takes precedence if we're to have another museum wonder.
Naqshe-e Rustam - 22
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 20
Palácio de Pena - 20
Prambanan - 21
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 20
Swayambhunath - 20
Teatro Colón - 21
Temple of Heaven - 24 (23 + 1) -- One can never have too many Chinese wonders, and at present the only Chinese wonder in game was built by Mongols...
Temple of the Great Jaguar - 9

 

[Kimiimaro]

Temple of Heaven - 24 (23 + 1) -- One can never have too many Chinese wonders, and at present the only Chinese wonder in game was built by Mongols...

The only Chinese wonder in game? I thought there are two of them - Terracotta Army and Forbidden City, and I also thought the first one was built by Qin Shi Huang and the second one by Yongle...

 

[Xandinho]

Arc de Triomphe - 11
Burg Hohenzollern - 23
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 17
Chateau Frontenac - 23
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 21
Colossi of Memnon - 14
Dhammayangyi Temple - 20
Dunedin Railway Station - 11
Etemenanki - 19
Fasil Ghebbi - 20
Humayun's Tomb - 20
Iglesia de Achao - 20
Krak des Chevaliers - 22
Las Vegas Strip - 5
Museo El Castillo - 17 - 3 = 14 Very beautiful, but I agree that there are other museums to be considered before.
Naqshe-e Rustam - 22
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 20 + 1 = 21 Beautiful, it would look great on the map. Also, I think we should have at least one wonder of Spanish America in the game.
Palácio de Pena - 20
Prambanan - 21
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 20
Swayambhunath - 20
Teatro Colón - 21
Temple of Heaven - 24
Temple of the Great Jaguar - 9