Never before seen wonders II - Elimination Thread

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Acoma Pueblo - 14
Aït Benhaddou - 17 (20-3) While it is certainly among the visually most pleasing places I've ever seen, I don't think it qualifies as a wonder in any way. And I love Morocco... Sure it is an important heritage site, but not a wonder.
Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor - 17
Basílica i Temple Expiatori de la Sagrada Família - 19
Bayt al Hikma - 22
Chan Chan - 21
Chùa Bút Tháp - 20
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 23
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 21
Great Mosque of Kilwa - 20
Huaca del Sol - 21
Kizhi Pogost - 20
Krakow Cloth Hall - 17
Lincoln Center - 20
Lotus Temple - 21
Mina El Teniente - 11
Oost-Indisch Huis - 22
Palace of Knossos - 20
São Francisco Church and Convent of Salvador - 14
Sydney Harbour Bridge - 11
Tāq Kasrā - 22
TauTona Mine - 12 (11+1) While this is certainly not my favorite in this list, I find the criticism to be too harsh. I'd prefer a mine wonder (gameplay wise and representation wise) to many of the religious options - and certainly I'd like to have this before Crete's Disneyland, which is nowadays an abomination, a tourist trap and nothing else. A famous gold mine could easily give you lots of GPT while reducing the GPT of all other civs by a small amount due to inflation (or enlarging maintenance cost). Or give you the still missing luxury called gold on top of that. Or improve your mines overall... many things are possible.
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 21
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 21
Uraniborg - 22
Yuanming Yuan (Old Summer Palace) - 20
 
Acoma Pueblo - 14
Aït Benhaddou - 17
Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor - 17
Basílica i Temple Expiatori de la Sagrada Família - 19
Bayt al Hikma - 22
Chan Chan - 21
Chùa Bút Tháp - 20
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 23
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 21+1=22 - It was the commercial centre of the Ottoman Empire and I think this would make an interesting trade wonder.
Great Mosque of Kilwa - 20
Huaca del Sol - 21
Kizhi Pogost - 20
Krakow Cloth Hall - 17
Lincoln Center - 20-3=17 - We already have Broadway as a New York cultural wonder.
Lotus Temple - 21
Mina El Teniente - 11
Oost-Indisch Huis - 22
Palace of Knossos - 20
São Francisco Church and Convent of Salvador - 14
Sydney Harbour Bridge - 11
Tāq Kasrā - 22
TauTona Mine - 12
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 21
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 21
Uraniborg - 22
Yuanming Yuan (Old Summer Palace) - 20
 
Acoma Pueblo - 14
Aït Benhaddou - 17
Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor - 17
Basílica i Temple Expiatori de la Sagrada Família - 19
Bayt al Hikma - 22
Chan Chan - 21
Chùa Bút Tháp - 20
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 23
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 22
Great Mosque of Kilwa - 20
Huaca del Sol - 21
Kizhi Pogost - 20
Krakow Cloth Hall - 17
Lincoln Center - 17
Lotus Temple - 21
Mina El Teniente - 11
Oost-Indisch Huis - 22
Palace of Knossos - (20+1)=21 It's an interesting looking palace, Arthur Evans' "reconstruction" be damned. A way to represent the Minoans without adding them to the game.
São Francisco Church and Convent of Salvador - 14
Sydney Harbour Bridge - 11
Tāq Kasrā - 22
TauTona Mine - 12
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 21
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 21
Uraniborg - 22
Yuanming Yuan (Old Summer Palace) - (20-3)=17 We don't need another Chinese palace wonder. And this one was emulating European ones.

I disagree heavily about TauTona Mine. It would make a poor choice for a wonder, and look like a big hole in the ground. A monument to environmental degradation and greed. It would also come too late in the game to matter much.
 
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Acoma Pueblo - 14
Aït Benhaddou - 17
Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor - 17
Basílica i Temple Expiatori de la Sagrada Família - 19
Bayt al Hikma - 23 (22+1) Civ VI doesn't have a good science wonder yet. Great Library comes too late for what it does and Oxford is too weak. A nice medieval science wonder seems a really good addition. Maybe it gives Eurekas to all techs 2 other civs already have - all the time, not just once. Would make sense historically. Problem is that it was never about the building, but it's content. So it wouldn't look that impressive on the map. Firaxis would probably rather use another building than an unimpressive one and take the Mustansiriya or al-Qasral-'Abbasi.
Chan Chan - 21
Chùa Bút Tháp - 20
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 23
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 21
Great Mosque of Kilwa - 20
Huaca del Sol - 21
Kizhi Pogost - 20
Krakow Cloth Hall - 17
Lincoln Center - 20
Lotus Temple - 21
Mina El Teniente - 11
Oost-Indisch Huis - 22
Palace of Knossos - 17 (20-3) doubling down on this one since I like most other wonders. Archeology's monument of shame, you can't do much more things wrong than what was done here by Gilliéron et al (well, Daesh can). This completely overshadows the original structure and its glory in my opinion, it also gives a false impression of the civ that built it. But sure, nice romantic reconstructions exist, and Firaxis loves those (see Apadana and Hanging Gardens).
São Francisco Church and Convent of Salvador - 14
Sydney Harbour Bridge - 11
Tāq Kasrā - 22
TauTona Mine - 12
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 21
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 21
Uraniborg - 22
Yuanming Yuan (Old Summer Palace) - 20
 
Acoma Pueblo - 14
Aït Benhaddou - 17
Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor - 17
Basílica i Temple Expiatori de la Sagrada Família - 19
Bayt al Hikma - 23
Chan Chan - 21
Chùa Bút Tháp - 20
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 23
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 22 Corrected
Great Mosque of Kilwa - 20
Huaca del Sol - 21
Kizhi Pogost - 20
Krakow Cloth Hall - 17
Lincoln Center - 17 Corrected
Lotus Temple - 21
Mina El Teniente - 11 - 3 = 8 I am not interested in this kind of wonder.
Oost-Indisch Huis - 22 + 1 = 23 Makes a great trade wonder.
Palace of Knossos - 18 Corrected
São Francisco Church and Convent of Salvador - 14
Sydney Harbour Bridge - 11
Tāq Kasrā - 22
TauTona Mine - 12
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 21
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 21
Uraniborg - 22
Yuanming Yuan (Old Summer Palace) - 17 Corrected
 
Acoma Pueblo - 14
Aït Benhaddou - 17
Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor - 17
Basílica i Temple Expiatori de la Sagrada Família - 19
Bayt al Hikma - 23
Chan Chan - 21
Chùa Bút Tháp - 20
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 23
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 22
Great Mosque of Kilwa - 20
Huaca del Sol - 21
Kizhi Pogost - 20
Krakow Cloth Hall - 17
Lincoln Center - 17-3=14 - The Broadway already serves as a modern Cultural wonder for the US. This is even located in the same city as Broadway.
Lotus Temple - 21+1=22 - One of the best choices for a modern religious wonder.
Mina El Teniente - 8
Oost-Indisch Huis - 23
Palace of Knossos - 18
São Francisco Church and Convent of Salvador - 14
Sydney Harbour Bridge - 11
Tāq Kasrā - 22
TauTona Mine - 12
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 21
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 21
Uraniborg - 22
Yuanming Yuan (Old Summer Palace) - 17
 
Kimiimaro said:
Lincoln Center - 17-3=14 - The Broadway already serves as a modern Cultural wonder for the US. This is even located in the same city as Broadway.
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Not just the same city, but the same island borough!

Not just the same island borough, but the same district!

Broadway passes through the complex Lincoln Center is in.
 
Acoma Pueblo - 14
Aït Benhaddou - 17
Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor - 17
Basílica i Temple Expiatori de la Sagrada Família - 19
Bayt al Hikma - 23
Chan Chan - 21
Chùa Bút Tháp - 20
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 23
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 22
Great Mosque of Kilwa - 20
Huaca del Sol - 21
Kizhi Pogost - 20
Krakow Cloth Hall - 17
Lincoln Center - 14
Lotus Temple - 22
Mina El Teniente - 8
Oost-Indisch Huis - 23
Palace of Knossos - (18+1)=19 It's included in my book of ancient wonders (composed by academics). Fanciful reconstructions are no issue for me (since we have Great Library, Colossus, Hanging Gardens, etc). A great homage to the Minoans, who can't become an actual Civ. And I definitely like it better than many of the "wonders" here.
São Francisco Church and Convent of Salvador - 14
Sydney Harbour Bridge - 11
Tāq Kasrā - 22
TauTona Mine - (12-3)=9 I prefer Las Medulas for a Gold mining wonder, since that would come much earlier (being a Roman mine in Spain).
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 21
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 21
Uraniborg - 22
Yuanming Yuan (Old Summer Palace) - 17
 
Acoma Pueblo - 14
Aït Benhaddou - 17
Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor - 17
Basílica i Temple Expiatori de la Sagrada Família - 19
Bayt al Hikma - 23
Chan Chan - 21
Chùa Bút Tháp - 20
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 23
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 23 (22+1) I would love to see more Ottoman wonders.
Great Mosque of Kilwa - 20
Huaca del Sol - 21
Kizhi Pogost - 20
Krakow Cloth Hall - 17
Lincoln Center - 11 (14-3) Simply unnecessary
Lotus Temple - 22
Mina El Teniente - 8
Oost-Indisch Huis - 23
Palace of Knossos - 19
São Francisco Church and Convent of Salvador - 14
Sydney Harbour Bridge - 11
Tāq Kasrā - 22
TauTona Mine - 9
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 21
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 21
Uraniborg - 22
Yuanming Yuan (Old Summer Palace) - 17
 
Acoma Pueblo - 14
Aït Benhaddou - 17
Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor - 17
Basílica i Temple Expiatori de la Sagrada Família - 19
Bayt al Hikma - 23
Chan Chan - 21
Chùa Bút Tháp - 20
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 23
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 23
Great Mosque of Kilwa - 20
Huaca del Sol - 21
Kizhi Pogost - 20
Krakow Cloth Hall - 17
Lincoln Center - 11
Lotus Temple - 22
Mina El Teniente - 8
Oost-Indisch Huis - 23
Palace of Knossos - 19 + 1 = 20 I would like to see this one included in the game.
São Francisco Church and Convent of Salvador - 14
Sydney Harbour Bridge - 11 - 3 = 8 I have other bridges in mind.
Tāq Kasrā - 22
TauTona Mine - 9
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 21
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 21
Uraniborg - 22
Yuanming Yuan (Old Summer Palace) - 17
 
Acoma Pueblo - 14
Aït Benhaddou - 17
Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor - 17
Basílica i Temple Expiatori de la Sagrada Família - 19
Bayt al Hikma - 23
Chan Chan - 21
Chùa Bút Tháp - 20
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 23
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 23
Great Mosque of Kilwa - 20
Huaca del Sol - 21
Kizhi Pogost - 20
Krakow Cloth Hall - 17
Lincoln Center - 11-3=8 - Probably the most redundant wonder in this list.
Lotus Temple - 22
Mina El Teniente - 8
Oost-Indisch Huis - 23+1=24 - It's a great choice for both Dutch wonder and a trade wonder.
Palace of Knossos - 20
São Francisco Church and Convent of Salvador - 14
Sydney Harbour Bridge - 8
Tāq Kasrā - 22
TauTona Mine - 9
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 21
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 21
Uraniborg - 22
Yuanming Yuan (Old Summer Palace) - 17
 
Acoma Pueblo - 14
Aït Benhaddou - 17
Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor - 17
Basílica i Temple Expiatori de la Sagrada Família - 19
Bayt al Hikma - 23
Chan Chan - (21+1)=22 A city composed of compounds for the dead Chimu Kings.
Chùa Bút Tháp - 20
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 23
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 23
Great Mosque of Kilwa - 20
Huaca del Sol - 21
Kizhi Pogost - 20
Krakow Cloth Hall - 17
Lincoln Center - 8
Lotus Temple - 22
Mina El Teniente - (8-3)=5 Historical factories/Mills would make better Production Wonders than mines. Do we really need a Copper Mine as a wonder?
Oost-Indisch Huis - 24
Palace of Knossos - 20
São Francisco Church and Convent of Salvador - 14
Sydney Harbour Bridge - 8
Tāq Kasrā - 22
TauTona Mine - 9
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 21
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 21
Uraniborg - 22
Yuanming Yuan (Old Summer Palace) - 17
 
Acoma Pueblo - 14
Aït Benhaddou - 17
Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor - 17
Basílica i Temple Expiatori de la Sagrada Família - 19
Bayt al Hikma - 23 + 1 = 24 The more science wonders we have the better!
Chan Chan - 22
Chùa Bút Tháp - 20
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 23
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 23
Great Mosque of Kilwa - 20
Huaca del Sol - 21
Kizhi Pogost - 20
Krakow Cloth Hall - 17
Lincoln Center - 8 - 3 = 5 It is nice but I do agree that it is a bit unnecessary right now.
Lotus Temple - 22
Mina El Teniente - 5
Oost-Indisch Huis - 24
Palace of Knossos - 20
São Francisco Church and Convent of Salvador - 14
Sydney Harbour Bridge - 8
Tāq Kasrā - 22
TauTona Mine - 9
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 21
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 21
Uraniborg - 22
Yuanming Yuan (Old Summer Palace) - 17
 
Acoma Pueblo - 14 - 3 = 11 I would like to have the Cliff Palace instead of this one.
Aït Benhaddou - 17
Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor - 17
Basílica i Temple Expiatori de la Sagrada Família - 19
Bayt al Hikma - 24
Chan Chan - 22
Chùa Bút Tháp - 20
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 23
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 23
Great Mosque of Kilwa - 20
Huaca del Sol - 21
Kizhi Pogost - 20
Krakow Cloth Hall - 17
Lincoln Center - 5
Lotus Temple - 22
Mina El Teniente - 5
Oost-Indisch Huis - 24
Palace of Knossos - 20
São Francisco Church and Convent of Salvador - 14
Sydney Harbour Bridge - 8
Tāq Kasrā - 22 + 1 = 23 I would wish to have more Persian wonder, and this one looks great.
TauTona Mine - 9
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 21
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 21
Uraniborg - 22
Yuanming Yuan (Old Summer Palace) - 17
 
Acoma Pueblo - 11
Aït Benhaddou - 17
Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor - 17
Basílica i Temple Expiatori de la Sagrada Família - 19
Bayt al Hikma - 24
Chan Chan - 22
Chùa Bút Tháp - 20
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 23
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 23+1=24 - Absolutely Ottoman + trade wonder.
Great Mosque of Kilwa - 20
Huaca del Sol - 21
Kizhi Pogost - 20
Krakow Cloth Hall - 17
Lincoln Center - 5-3=2 - Absolutely redundant.
Lotus Temple - 22
Mina El Teniente - 5
Oost-Indisch Huis - 24
Palace of Knossos - 20
São Francisco Church and Convent of Salvador - 14
Sydney Harbour Bridge - 8
Tāq Kasrā - 23
TauTona Mine - 9
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 21
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 21
Uraniborg - 22
Yuanming Yuan (Old Summer Palace) - 17
 
Acoma Pueblo - 11
Aït Benhaddou - 17
Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor - 17
Basílica i Temple Expiatori de la Sagrada Família - 19 + 1 = 20 Ultimate religious wonder
Bayt al Hikma - 24
Chan Chan - 22
Chùa Bút Tháp - 20
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 23
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 24
Great Mosque of Kilwa - 20
Huaca del Sol - 21
Kizhi Pogost - 20
Krakow Cloth Hall - 17
Lincoln Center - 2 - 3 = ELIMINATED This could easily be part of Broadway
Lotus Temple - 22
Mina El Teniente - 5
Oost-Indisch Huis - 24
Palace of Knossos - 20
São Francisco Church and Convent of Salvador - 14
Sydney Harbour Bridge - 8
Tāq Kasrā - 23
TauTona Mine - 9
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 21
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 21
Uraniborg - 22
Yuanming Yuan (Old Summer Palace) - 17
 
Acoma Pueblo - 11
Aït Benhaddou - 17
Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor - (17-3)=14 I'm not a big fan of Columbus. :p And there are other cathedrals I would put in the game before this one.
Basílica i Temple Expiatori de la Sagrada Família - 20
Bayt al Hikma - 24
Chan Chan - 22
Chùa Bút Tháp - 20
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 23
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 24
Great Mosque of Kilwa - 20
Huaca del Sol - 21
Kizhi Pogost - 20
Krakow Cloth Hall - 17
Lotus Temple - 22
Mina El Teniente - 5
Oost-Indisch Huis - 24
Palace of Knossos - 20
São Francisco Church and Convent of Salvador - 14
Sydney Harbour Bridge - 8
Tāq Kasrā - 23
TauTona Mine - 9
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 21
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 21
Uraniborg - (22+1)=23 Interesting scientific wonder.
Yuanming Yuan (Old Summer Palace) - 17
 
Acoma Pueblo - 11
Aït Benhaddou - 17
Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor - 14
Basílica i Temple Expiatori de la Sagrada Família - 20
Bayt al Hikma - 24
Chan Chan - 22
Chùa Bút Tháp - 20
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 23
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 24
Great Mosque of Kilwa - 20
Huaca del Sol - 21
Kizhi Pogost - 20
Krakow Cloth Hall - 17
Lotus Temple - 22
Mina El Teniente - 5
Oost-Indisch Huis - 24
Palace of Knossos - 20
São Francisco Church and Convent of Salvador - 14
Sydney Harbour Bridge - 5 (8-3) is this the place over the orchestra pit
Tāq Kasrā - 23
TauTona Mine - 9
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 22 (21+1) oh, great wonder
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 21
Uraniborg - 23
Yuanming Yuan (Old Summer Palace) - 17
 
Acoma Pueblo - 11
Aït Benhaddou - 17
Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor - 14
Basílica i Temple Expiatori de la Sagrada Família - 20
Bayt al Hikma - 24
Chan Chan - 22
Chùa Bút Tháp - 20
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 23
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 24
Great Mosque of Kilwa - 20
Huaca del Sol - 21
Kizhi Pogost - 20
Krakow Cloth Hall - 14(17-3) Been there yesterday, a great building, but not a wonder imho. And in a comparison with the 'cloth hall' in Bruges, it loses clearly.
Lotus Temple - 22
Mina El Teniente - 5
Oost-Indisch Huis - 25 (24+1) a colonial trading wonder? Great!
Palace of Knossos - 20
São Francisco Church and Convent of Salvador - 14
Sydney Harbour Bridge - 5
Tāq Kasrā - 23
TauTona Mine - 9
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 22
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 21
Uraniborg - 23
Yuanming Yuan (Old Summer Palace) - 17
 
Acoma Pueblo - 11
Aït Benhaddou - 17
Basilica Cathedral of Santa María la Menor - 14
Basílica i Temple Expiatori de la Sagrada Família - 20
Bayt al Hikma - 24
Chan Chan - 22
Chùa Bút Tháp - 20
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 23
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 24
Great Mosque of Kilwa - 20
Huaca del Sol - 21
Kizhi Pogost - 20
Krakow Cloth Hall - 14
Lotus Temple - 22
Mina El Teniente - 5 - 3 = 2 Not very interested.
Oost-Indisch Huis - 25
Palace of Knossos - 20
São Francisco Church and Convent of Salvador - 14
Sydney Harbour Bridge - 5
Tāq Kasrā - 23
TauTona Mine - 9
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 22
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 21
Uraniborg - 23 + 1 = 24 One of my favorites on the list. An observatory like wonder would be very interesting.
Yuanming Yuan (Old Summer Palace) - 17
 
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