Never before seen wonders II - Elimination Thread

[Xandinho]

Aït Benhaddou - 6 - 3 = 3 I think it would be better worked as an improvement
Bayt al-Hikma - 35
Chan Chan - 19
Chùa Bút Tháp - 12
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 24
Huaca del Sol - 5
Oost-Indisch Huis - 31
Palace of Knossos - 28
Tāq Kasrā - 28 + 1 = 29 Very interesting Persian wonder
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 19
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 18
Uraniborg - 32

 

[Kimiimaro]

Aït Benhaddou - 3+1=4 - Not before Huaca del Sol
Bayt al-Hikma - 35
Chan Chan - 19
Chùa Bút Tháp - 12
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 24
Huaca del Sol - 5-3=2 - Sorry, I just don't find it as interesting or as impressive as the others here (well, except for Chùa Bút Tháp).
Oost-Indisch Huis - 31
Palace of Knossos - 28
Tāq Kasrā - 29
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 19
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 18
Uraniborg - 32

 

[Siptah]

Aït Benhaddou - 4
Bayt al-Hikma - 35
Chan Chan - 19
Chùa Bút Tháp - 12
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 24
Huaca del Sol - 2
Oost-Indisch Huis - 31
Palace of Knossos - 28
Tāq Kasrā - 26 (29-3) This palace is certainly a wonder of architecture. But I doubt it would look that cool on the map. And it's most famous part, the Baharestan, would not even be visible. If it is just about arches in architecture, I'd rather have Naqsh-e Jahan, since I prefer the surroundings of the arch of that.
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 19
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 19 (18+1) Maybe not just the tower, but the Archivo General de Indias as well? Could be useful for some interesting abilities.
Uraniborg - 32

 

[Morningcalm]

Aït Benhaddou - 4
Bayt al-Hikma - 35
Chan Chan - 19
Chùa Bút Tháp - 12
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30 Perhaps better suited as a unique Mayan observatory building rather than a wonder as such? But it's possible the developers may also prefer the more iconic temple pyramids for Maya's unique building, so who knows. Not touching this one for now since I'm neutral on it.
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 24
Huaca del Sol - 2
Oost-Indisch Huis - 31 - 3 = 28 (A meh building which is only being considered as a wonder due to its status as HQ of the Dutch East India Company. Doesn't scream "wonder" so much as "unique building" at best.)
Palace of Knossos - 28 + 1 = 29 (Since Minoans will never make it into the base game, I think adding this (once colorful) palace could be a suitable representative for Minoan civilization instead. As the "ceremonial and political" center of Minoan civilization, I anticipate combined religious and policy-slot related bonuses for this one.)
Tāq Kasrā - 26
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 19
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 19
Uraniborg - 32

 

[Guandao]

Aït Benhaddou - (4-3)=1 Better off as an improvement for Morocco.
Bayt al-Hikma - 35
Chan Chan - 19
Chùa Bút Tháp - 12
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 24
Huaca del Sol - 2 Farewell!
Oost-Indisch Huis - 28
Palace of Knossos - 29
Tāq Kasrā - 26
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 19
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 19
Uraniborg - (32+1)=33 I'll try to make this catch up with Bayt al-Hikma.

 

[Xandinho]

Aït Benhaddou - 1
Bayt al-Hikma - 35
Chan Chan - 19
Chùa Bút Tháp - 12
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 24 - 3 = 21 Better as unique district/building of the Ottoman Empire.
Huaca del Sol - 2
Oost-Indisch Huis - 28
Palace of Knossos - 29 + 1 = 30 It is a good ancient wonder and can represent the Minoans. Besides that, it would be nice on the map.
Tāq Kasrā - 26
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 19
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 19
Uraniborg - 33

 

[Kimiimaro]

Now, who is going to eliminate Aït Benhaddou? The Canadian or the Malaysian Chinese American? Or maybe someone else?

Aït Benhaddou - 1
Bayt al-Hikma - 35
Chan Chan - 19
Chùa Bút Tháp - 12 - You're next
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 21+1=22 - Bazaar as a UD/UB for the Ottoman Empire? Sure. But I don't see why would that make the Grand Bazaar impossible for a wonder buildable by any Civ. And let's not forget that it was quite important - it was the commercial centre of the Ottoman Empire.
Huaca del Sol - 2-3=-1 (ELIMINATED) - It seems that certain Morrocan village will survive longer .
Oost-Indisch Huis - 28 - It doesn't look interresting enough, so what? Do you think that, for example, Ruhr Valley looks interesting?
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā - 26
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 19
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 19
Uraniborg - 33

 

[Siptah]

Aït Benhaddou - 1
Bayt al-Hikma - 35
Chan Chan - 19
Chùa Bút Tháp - 12
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 19 (22-3) Wouldn't look good on the map. Better off as an UD for the Ottomans.
Oost-Indisch Huis - 29 (28+1) Yes, Speicherstadt (with Chilehaus?) would look more impressive on the map and may have a comparable ability to this one. But for some reason I don't want to specify, I prefer this one
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā - 26
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 19
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 19
Uraniborg - 33

It doesn't look interresting enough, so what? Do you think that, for example, Ruhr Valley looks interesting?

Zeche Zollverein and the bauhaus style buildings on the complex are a real beauty.

 

[Guandao]

Aït Benhaddou - 1-3=0 ELIMINATED! It's just a fortified village.
Bayt al-Hikma - 35
Chan Chan - 19
Chùa Bút Tháp - 12
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 19
Oost-Indisch Huis - 29
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā - 26
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 19
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 19
Uraniborg - (33+1)=34 I think it would be a great scientific wonder and something to represent Scandinavia.

 

[God of Kings]

I was a little busy today.

I will snipe next time...

 

[Xandinho]

Bayt al-Hikma - 35
Chan Chan - 19
Chùa Bút Tháp - 12
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 19
Oost-Indisch Huis - 29 + 1 = 30 It's not a very visually stunning building, but it's historically important enough. It would make a trade wonder with easy-to-think bonus. In addition, I still do not know a better option for a Dutch wonder.
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā - 26
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 19 - 3 = 16 Nothing against this, I'm just more interested in most of the other wonders on the list.
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 19
Uraniborg - 34

 

[Kimiimaro]

Bayt al-Hikma - 35
Chan Chan - 19
Chùa Bút Tháp - 12-3=9 - Quite uninteresting to me.
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 19
Oost-Indisch Huis - 30+1=31 - I quite like the building and the fact it was HQ of VOC makes it even more interesting. It's a great Dutch wonder and it's a great trade wonder.
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā - 26
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 16
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 19
Uraniborg - 34

 

[Guandao]

Bayt al-Hikma - 35
Chan Chan - 19
Chùa Bút Tháp - 9-3=6 I agree with Kimiimaro, it's quite a mediocre looking wonder (a lot of more impressive temples exist in China, Korea, and Japan). Surely, Vietnam has better choices.
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 19
Oost-Indisch Huis - 31
Palace of Knossos - 30
Tāq Kasrā - 26
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 16
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 19
Uraniborg - (34+1)=35 Now it's even with the House of Wisdom.

 

[TahamiTsunami]

Bayt al-Hikma - 35
Chan Chan - 19
Chùa Bút Tháp - 6 - 3 = 3 I still don't find it to be particularly impressive compared to the wonders we have or the ones on this list.
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 19
Oost-Indisch Huis - 31
Palace of Knossos - 30 + 1 = 31 I agree that it is (unless we discover some spectacular artifacts from them very soon) the best way to represent the Minoan civilization in game.
Tāq Kasrā - 26
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 16
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 19
Uraniborg - 35 Glad to see that's now even for the highest score!

 

[God of Kings]

Bayt al-Hikma - 35
Chan Chan - 19
Chùa Bút Tháp - 3 - 3 = ELIMINATED Not too impressive
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 19 + 1 = 20 Would be excellent for the Ottomans
Oost-Indisch Huis - 31
Palace of Knossos - 31
Tāq Kasrā - 26
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 16
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 19
Uraniborg - 35

 

[Xandinho]

Bayt al-Hikma - 35 + 1 = 36 Giving it the lead again
Chan Chan - 19 - 3 = 16 I finally got to this. I'm not very knowledgeable about Chimu's civilization, so what kind of bonus would that give? faith and housing? I think Machu Picchu will fill this slot. What other possible type of bonus could this one to give to be distinct enough from Incan wonder?
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 20
Oost-Indisch Huis - 31
Palace of Knossos - 31
Tāq Kasrā - 26
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 16
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 19
Uraniborg - 35

 

[Kimiimaro]

Bayt al-Hikma - 36
Chan Chan - 16
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 30
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 20+1=21 - In my opinion, this would make both great trade wonder and great Ottoman wonder. The Bazaar for UD, the Grand Bazaar for wonder!
Oost-Indisch Huis - 31
Palace of Knossos - 31
Tāq Kasrā - 26
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 16-3=13 - I'm afraid it is now the lowest priority here.
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 19
Uraniborg - 35

 

[Guandao]

Bayt al-Hikma - 36
Chan Chan - 16 Maybe it would give something after a Great Person is expended? (a reference to the Chimu Kings being held in their own tomb-palace compounds after their death). I'm not a fan of making the entire city a wonder, so I won't defend it.
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - (30+1)=31 I think there's only one of this (correct me if I'm wrong), so it makes little sense as a unique district for the Mayans. It's better off as a wonder.
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 21
Oost-Indisch Huis - 31
Palace of Knossos - 31
Tāq Kasrā - 26
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 13
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - (19-3)=16 It's just a watchtower/prison. What bonus would it give? Defense?
Uraniborg - 35

 

[Xandinho]

Bayt al-Hikma - 36
Chan Chan - 16 Hmmm, I thought of something for great engineer points, and secondary bonus of faith and culture. Or maybe a part of points of great person is recovered every time it is expended? Similar to Magnanimous of Pedro.
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 31
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 21 - 3 = 18 I have no objection to this becoming a wonder, but as the list is narrowing, I have to choose something. I still think Grand Bazaar is better as a unique district.
Oost-Indisch Huis - 31
Palace of Knossos - 31
Tāq Kasrā - 26
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 13
Theatre of Sabratha - 21
Torre del Oro - 16 I think this can be a trade wonder with a secondary naval bonus. Maybe gold bonuses to trade routes that cross the ocean? There are some other bonuses I can think. Anyway, this has gone far enough, I will not defend.
Uraniborg - 35 + 1 = 36 Balancing with Bayt al-Hikma.

 

[Siptah]

Bayt al-Hikma - 36
Chan Chan - 16
El Caracol of Chichen Itza - 31
Grand Bazaar of Istanbul - 18
Oost-Indisch Huis - 31
Palace of Knossos - 31
Tāq Kasrā - 26
Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek - 14 (13+1) In contrast to the theatre below, this one was outstanding in classical times. Especially if we take the close temples of Bacchus and Venus into consideration as well - they are of a unique design and architecture for roman temples, were famed for its size and show ornamentation that counts to the most impressive the romans ever accomplished. There are also the three largest monoliths ever planned to use in a construction nearby, showing its greatness (even dwarfing the famous Aswan Obelisk). Naming this a wonder seems spot on, and in contrast to other forum members, I'm not easily saturated with Graeco-Roman buildings.
Theatre of Sabratha - 18 (21-3) The roman remains in North Africa are today amongst the most impressive remains of an ancient culture world wide, and they are in my opinion the most impressive ones of the Roman Empire. However, I don't think that they were that outstanding in ancient times, where many cities had wonderful theaters, temples etc. I don't remember reading in ancient texts that this theater was outstanding, in contrast to for example the one in Pergamon. It is also not famous for having famous playwrights connected to it and thus having famous plays premiere here. So I don't see why it should be called a wonder, not architecturally nor historically.
Torre del Oro - 16
Uraniborg - 36