New challenge: domination victories for civs

I just aborted an emperor Japanese (3000 start) Game. I was 10% world area from taking China, the East Indies and Australlia, and nearly 18% of population. Problem was I so far behind in 1900 that I just had to give up.

I think the free buildings and techs from a 600 AD start would make it easier. Taking China would be harder, but still quite possible.
 
...of conquering all of Russia, Germany and England is possible in RFC. Just kill the Germans first, then inevitably Russia will be annoyed at you, and if you befriend the Vikings and the Turks (who are not Europeans and therefore your UP applies, no matter how close your borders are), the Russians will have no friends.

Spain was interesting--they declared war on me early, then begged for vassalization when Portugal declared war on them. They didn't allow liberating cities to them, but just by themselves colonizing half of South America was enough, and they were a close-by neighbor to steal 4 techs from.

3 great artists (2 settled in America, 1 in the middle of Africa) clinched my 29% land. I almost beat my Persian record.:lol:
 

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So just achieved the Mongolian UHV (yay) now trying to continue for the domination win but will possibly start again with a non-UHV game as I feel I expanded too quickly. Had almost 12% by 1500. Had Khmer as my vassal but they collapsed. Have 23% of land and 15% of pop (though this is deceptive as my East Asian cities have not been given the chance to fully develop yet constant whipping and water tiles being destroyed by the Japs) in 1595.

Razed Delhi, it was a pain in the neck, had the audacity to defy my Golden Horde so India is pretty much destroyed save Patna which had the 2 holy cities. I now have 5 of 7 religion after taking Makkah. Fairly certain I can beat tiny Turkey with a territory just encompassing Anatolia. Everyone seems to be really scared of me in this game, kind of like how it was historically :) ,Arabia didn't even try to attack when I had taken Herat and could not reenforce right away and was vulnerable. Only Japan with their annoying ships did anything offensive against me. I don't think Japan is worth the trouble though... too many troops for too little land.

Pretty certain with a wide open India and Australia I can get the requirements for a domination....only concern is if my stability holds. Kinda stinks with my buddy Khmer gone as I wanted to gift them Aussie lands. Any advice for when your vassal collapses? Might be tough to get a new one...Aztecs, Inca taken while I was busy in Asia, Japan hates me, Mali taken.
 
Wonderful French empire! Didn't know about the Vikings still apply for the French UP, interesting and a little weird.

Crushing Germany early is essential for France, in my game I could have done it earlier and probably should of. Another mistake I made was letting Netherlands live...they can be a thorne in your side when you divide up Germany. Not so much militarily but cultural rivals. Germany respawned in my game and when I reconquered the cities they apparently found out they were mostly Dutch after centuries of French rule!! :crazyeye::crazyeye:
 
No, the French UP didn't apply to the Vikings (who were only cautious with me).:lol:

Just be strong enough with conquests and power (i.e. number of troops) and sooner or later a rematerialized India, Egypt or Ethiopia will want to be your vassal. Mali often switches masters if you are nice to them.
 
Well damn. My vassal won a historical victory. Next time I obliterate the Maya and take the Aztecs as a vassal. I consider this a done deal. I don't intend to go back.

Maya, Vikings, Inca and Khmer were vassals. I had nearly 40% of the population and nearly 15% of the land area. The game was a lot of fun too. I had my 20 or so Praetorians eliminate the European civs as they spawned, and then built some real mega-cities in Europe.
 

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Yeah, I destroyed the Maya, Aztecs and Incans in my Roman conquest games, just like I did the Russians, Mongolians, English and other Europeans. No Europeans=very easy for the new world civs to get some of their UHVs. (But for Aztecs that means no Europeans to enslave :lol:)
 
First Domination Victory :king:

As Mongolia, had to restart and do a non-UHV game. Expanded at a slower pace and learned a lot this game, as well as recognizing a few mistakes as well. Really put the espionage strategy to work; the only way I see how a very large empire keeps pace, especially for a non-Euro civ.

Getting land wasn't too hard with Mongolia, population was the issue. Settled 2 wonderful cities in S America and kept 3 in Australia while gifting 1 to the Khmer. Surprisingly my 4 vassals: Khmer, Netherlands, Portugal and India didn't really help me with colonizing as much as I would have liked. Gifting cities are essential here as they improve your stability and still count somewhat towards your domination requirements. Portugal only wanted one of my Brazilian cities, since no one wanted my cities would gift them settlers but all Portugal did was build 2 size 1 cities in the middle of the Brazilian Amazon. Won't have them as a vassal again unless they have Brazil already. Netherlands was better. They did a great job colonizing S Africa, went into S America, New Zealand and part of Australia. India was OK, vassalized them immediately as soon as they respawned. Khmer was OK too, would have like to have seen bigger cities from them. The way I divided up Australia/ New Zealand was neat I think: 4 nations controlling parts of it but all under the umbrella of the Mongol Coalition; meaning either me or my vassals.


If I started the game over again as Mongolia I would done the following differently:

- Started using Espionage to steal techs much earlier. By doing this and manipulating the techs that your vassals research you can at the very least stay on par technology wise.

- Focus more on pop than land. As you can see I built 2 rather useless cities in Northern Siberia and one in the Gobi because at the time I was concerned with land. Well, as long as you settle all the way to the Urals in the West and Samarkand in the South, land will not be a problem for Mongolia. Besides, if you really need it there's always Kamchatka where no one settles. Those 2 cities would have been much better used in South America or Australia for population.

- Sent the Keshiks earlier to Africa. Before this game I never thought about sending the Keshiks to Africa but I did in an attempt to get my 2nd UHV requirement, raze 7 cities. Russia is a pain in the neck to invade and I was waiting for Turkey to collapse; they were Unstable for literally centuries and I had a horde of Keshiks waiting the moment they do to invade, but of course they never did.

The indy cities in Africa are easy pickings for the Keshiks, even late into the game, I razed 2 of them with my Africa Korps of Keshiks but had I been there earlier could have razed at least 2-3 more and got my GA.

- I may have had a change of heart on Japan..it may make sense to try to vassalize them for Mongolia simply for their large cities. True they don't have land but as Mongolia you really don't need it. At the very least they seemed better than Portugal and their idiotic size 1 cities in the middle of Brazil.

But anyway, gotta start somewhere I suppose. Have a few pics attached, one of which is what happens to Mighty Russia when Germany takes Eastern Europe and Mongolia settles past the Urals...the Muscovite Kingdom! They were also unstable for a long time but managed to stick around.
 

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Nice Mongolian game. The Mongols are a great starting point, as they have a truly massive historic size, and plenty of open room to expand in Asia.

I think I took the same track as you did with Japan in my Mongolian game. Japan is just not worth the trouble invading early on, and late game I signed a defensive pact with them, which eventually let me open borders with them. I also had the same realization about land area vs. population. For the Mongols land area is the easy part, but population is harder.
 
No steam power in the 20th century? :p

Those tundra cities you can always found at the very last moment (unless Russia beats you to them) for land. I do so for my northern Canadian cities and occasionally supplement them with a culture bomb (?ice sculpture in the middle of nowhere).

India's not so great as a vassal because they don't expand (although sometimes they'll ask for the most ridiculous cities like Rome). Netherlands actually did a decent job of colonization IMHO.

Looks like you didn't spread as much religion as you should (I would have tried to keep Patna for the shrines).
 
No steam power in the 20th century? :p

In my Mongolian game which I won I think in the 1800s, I was even further behind with technology. England was trying to kill keshiks and rifleman with infantry in N. America. Mongolia is going to be backwards, but the fact is, you have such production and such a large historic size that it doesn't matter.
 
No steam power in the 20th century? :p

Those tundra cities you can always found at the very last moment (unless Russia beats you to them) for land. I do so for my northern Canadian cities and occasionally supplement them with a culture bomb (?ice sculpture in the middle of nowhere).

India's not so great as a vassal because they don't expand (although sometimes they'll ask for the most ridiculous cities like Rome). Netherlands actually did a decent job of colonization IMHO.

Looks like you didn't spread as much religion as you should (I would have tried to keep Patna for the shrines).

The funny part is that I had 3 spies on the way to Dutch Australia and had plenty of spy points for stealing techs (had 7000 on hand and was making +1000 a turn as you can see) I would have been able to quickly catch up with stealing techs from the very advanced Dutch and traded them for some more techs. But the Domination screen came up when Arabia spawned and it became a moot point for me.

I already had stolen everything from India and Khmer and believe it or not, was probably at least on par if not slightly ahead among the East Asian civs.

And nope that's another thing, didn't spread religions as much as I should. Was very land-obsessed this game; use my G Artists in Australia which I think was good but should have use the settlers to take the good land first before going for the trash cities.

I actually had about +5% more land than I needed at the end of the game while struggling for pop. Probably the exact opposite experience of the Euro civs where you have the people but not the land.
 
Iv recently started a Turkey game because it just seems interesting playing a civ that will never need to build 1 settler..and I like the idea of not haveing to bother with settling citys, just pure war:)..least so far it seems as Turkey you dont need to build settlers..since citys alredy place around you..and colonizing for example the Americas wouldnt turn out good becuz well it just wouldnt..too much competition at once to add onto your alredy great competition at home..Turkey isnt like playing a Euro civ:)
 
Is it possible to get domination victories as Mali, Egypt, Ethiopia, or Maya?
 
Is it possible to get domination victories as Mali, Egypt, Ethiopia, or Maya?

Stability just destroys you for the former 3. I tried to do a code of laws/great spy thing with Mali to steal machinery and optics from the Spanish but the French still beat me to the conquerors and there's not enough time to get astronomy to colonize New Orleans. As for Ethiopia, I haven't tried it yet, but I did get code of laws first (even before China) and potentially can get a great spy out to Arabia, but I gave up when plague and impi destroyed me.
 
Update on My Turkey Game..Im on the hardest difficulty for Rhyes and Falls...it seems as Turkey, You are rather set up in a good position..Not only are you good at conquering cuz assimilation, You are positioned to expand into the most important places in the world very quickly..Like Europe or Middle East Oil...and Jeruselem and Mecca holy cities..Istanbul is a nice city, You can conquer Arabia well..rather easily...I belive it has to do with the fact that Arabia is on the verge of collapsing when you even first enter the game..The first Arabian City I took was only a few turns after I began the game..and Arabia Immediatly Collapsed...I ended up expanding my empire to Egypt and all the way to Iraq..not any farther yet becuz then Ill be the 1 collapsing..Though Iv got 25 Jannisaries and 10 Cannons along with 2 knights sitting in Istanbul now..waiting on my commands to Strike at Germany and delive a swift blow..or at least it better be swift considering I checked around and basicly every 1 likes Germany, Including the dreaded russians..If I continue the war too long Ill be the 1 on the loosing end..and not to mention Germany Vassalized Portugal Recently..Though Portugal only has 1 city at this time(Lisbon) ..even with my large army I wouldnt want to mess with them..They got so many units and such strong deffencive city that Conquering them would be so costly that It wouldnt be worth it...Im more afraid of Netherlands Helping Germany then France helping Germany becuz Netherlands also has a very large army..in fact if I combined Portugal and Netherlands units the total would be 32 units..a army that could very well take on mine..Netherlands alone has 20 more units then France.

Well back to the Game hopefully the Germany Armie gets obliverated trying to take Rome as it so far has been getting beaten but no heavy losses to em.



EDIT: The major problem Im finding with Turkey though is that they seem to spend much time in the Unstable and/or the Unstable/Collapsing State..Dunno what this is due to since I playing Turkey the same as other civs except for the fact that Iv only build 1 settler and it was to settle the rest of the Nile Rivers
 
In my experience, the AI kinda sucks at war, they will only (seriously) attack you when it feels it has an overwhelming advantage. The other times it's just skirmishes or sending a couple units to be a pest and get your workers/pillage improvements. Don't know what turn you're in, but when the Euros start colonizing it might be easier to attack as they will start spending their resources outside their homelands. This is especially true for Netherlands.

A possible strategy would be switch to resettlement and do some colonization yourself. Also try to befriend a Euro country, even ones that are not crazy about you will sign defensive pacts if they feel you will make a strong enough ally. This might help stability too.
 
Are you all playing on the Hardest difficulty or middle one? Just Curious as to how an rate your awesomeness!!
 
All of the wins we've posted are on monarch (Unless AP is better than anyone could have imagined). I've been working on the emperor technique on a few games, but its rough. I've tried emperor on Japan, Russia, Mongolia, and Turkey and I usually get to a point around 1900 where I'm so darn backwards that I can't compete, or that I didn't get enough vassals because I'm behind.
 
Thanks for the quick reply! This actually is a very interesting topic. i have been playing Rfc quite a bit lately but the historical victories are getting kinda boring thats when i stumbled in here and seen this post, never really thought about Domination victory i was pretty much just doing the history ones than picking a new civ and starting again. just wondering if its possible in RFC for anyone to get a domination victory without vassals or is the stability too much for any one civ to handle. talking mainly for european civs as i imagine with some luck and fast military action it could be done early stages with egypt.
i apologize if i have poor grammar i never was any good with punctuation or run-ons.

thanks in advance A. Wetzel
 
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