VermelhoRed
Prince
Would bisons be considered a luxury? They seem more like a bonus resource to me. Were they a significant exportation product for the sioux? Or just their means of subsistence?
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True - depending on what that means though they could have involvement. if it means Eastern Seaboard then NO but if they mean East United States then they had some involvement in Texas & Kansas when units moved East to fight in the war. ZHence they would not neccesarily need reskining to fit the scenario unlike someone like the Sioux.
kingchris20
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While I like the Comanche and Buffalo idea, simply becasue the Comanche, above all other tribes, were the leaders in all things buffalo (use and respect).....
But they wouldn't have helped either side in the Civil War, as they hated both sides equally, and the Mexicans as well, they did not want anyone coming into their lands.......
Two of the more prominent tribes (but not well known) that assisted the south in the Civil War were the Alabamas and the Coushattas....
Well actually the Comanche initially signed treaties with the Confederacy but when they Confederates renegged they started their raids. Depending on how broad the scenario maps are the Comanche would be on the South Western flank of confederate territory.
Majapahit were mainly rice and spices. Indonesia and Australia are both part of the g20 big economies. As such they tend to be pretty mixed in terms of what they export lots of things like oil, gas, copper, tin & gold. Nothing I would think screams this is Indonesia or Majapahit. Batik textiles perhaps but I dont see manufactured goods as being as likely in civ as the resources tend to be natural which then get used to manufacture something else. The CS only resources are different with Porcelin & Jewelry. I know people think Glass for Venice in a Civ but I still think it's unlikely given historical choices by the devs.
Moraiwe
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I'm not sure what you're saying here. What historical choices are you referring to?
Arachnofiend
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This seems to me like an odd way to think. all resources were natural before the last expansion introduced the mercantile resources; it makes sense that Firaxis would take that concept to the next level by introducing a major civ that can produce its own artificial resource.
How is it taking it to the next level. Resources are dispersed around the map and the mercantile resources were something you had to work for. If they add Glass then how do you do it? If it's Venice/Italy exclusive then depending on settings it gives them either a weak ability or a very strong one - if it's for everyone with Venice/Italy getting a better version or advantages from their version then the mechanics seem awkward. Historically the decisions on resources have not to make them exclusive which leaves you with a somewhat clunky manufactured luxury resource. I just dont see it as a easy to implement resource unlike things that you just plunk down on the map.
If they do Bison, Marsupials(to represent exotic animals for tourism), Seals or any of the other natural resourses that basically indicate which society is coming in along with them then the mechanics aren't as potentially clunky.
EU uses resources in each individual area but it's trade mechanic is very different to Civ and I dont see manufactured goods in their current mechanics. CIV's luxuries have always been more on the base rather than what is manufactured from it and I dont see them changing it at this late stage.
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The answer would be a Workshop replacement that grants one glass in the city. A civ that can have as many copies of a resource as it wants as long as it has room to plop down another city would be a huge game changer and makes for a very interesting mechanic. A lot of people were theorizing that the Dutch would basically get this in the form of tulips before their mechanics were unveiled, and we know that Firaxis watches what we are saying so I wouldn't be surprised if they saw these theories and thought "hey that's a cool idea, we should implement it somehow". Thus Venice, because honestly the only way I could condone Venice as anything more than a city-state would be if they had a fascinating unique like that.
If it's a Luxury resource then in low resource games that would make them incredibly powerful. I believe Tulips may have been considered and discarded for exactly that reason. I'm sorry but I think that argument actually makes it's own case against it. I just think if you think through the implications of a luxury resource being limited to one civ it's both unrealistic and unworkable using this particular games mechanics. I can see them getting a bonus from something but not exclusivity and I cant see them bringing in exclusivity at this point of the game.
awesome
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I'm not exactly sure that logic works. The civil war was mainly fought up to Texas. California was kind of a state at that point, but it kind of just chilled and sent gold east and waited for the confederacy to come to it. The eastern theater can't include the western-most parts of the actual fighting.
Again it depends on what they mean by Eastern and how far that map heads West. The Sioux had virtually no involvement in the Civil war whilst the Comanche did (although much less than other tribal groups)
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
They said Eastern Theater, which has a specific meaning. The "western" theater was Missouri, Kentucky, and Kansas so that should give you an idea of which part the eastern theater is.
If it included the western theater, the Cherokee's involvement led by Stand Watie would be important. However, they didn't fight in the east.
I am NOT saying that this will happen as it is way to unusual and the merits for the game are at least questionable.
But thinking of bisons and the Sioux as (not so) nomadic tribe:
Wouldn't it be interesting to add a "migrating" bonus resource? Imagine bisons moving to another tile (grassland and plains without forest only) every other turn. Maybe they could be "anchored" to a certain tile and do not move further than 2 tiles away from it.
They could be usable only by the Sioux and add an additional +1
and +2 
to any tile they rest for this turn.
(Sorry, I know this is a way to wired idea and I wanted to share it just as a fun gedankenexperiment. Those things happen when fasting for too long...
)
But thinking of bisons and the Sioux as (not so) nomadic tribe:
Wouldn't it be interesting to add a "migrating" bonus resource? Imagine bisons moving to another tile (grassland and plains without forest only) every other turn. Maybe they could be "anchored" to a certain tile and do not move further than 2 tiles away from it.
They could be usable only by the Sioux and add an additional +1
and +2 to any tile they rest for this turn.(Sorry, I know this is a way to wired idea and I wanted to share it just as a fun gedankenexperiment. Those things happen when fasting for too long...
)
Dunkah
Emperor
Those that think Firaxis is going to create a whole new way to produce resources (glass) are just way over thinking this. Glass is not a resource in the sense Civ does resources. Sand or Silica would be the resource and Glass would just be something that they were able to make from it.
Seals seem to far fetched to me. Basing the Inutit in a Tundra and Snow environment, even if they had seals would still mean real disadvantage as they would have half the tiles anyone else would have to work on.
Buffalo/ Bison seems like a real possiblility and just because it would give away the fact that there would be a Native American Civ doesn't mean that it could still not be spread around the Western Hemishphere to be used by other Civs, they said the inclusion of the resource would give away the Civ, not that the resource was specific to that Civ and no one else could use it.
My guess would be for cotton and the Confederate States, with Jefferson Davis as the Leader. This would make sense due to the fact that the Civil War scenario requires a leaderhead at the both sides. But I am also guessing that Abraham Lincoln will be added as well.
Seals seem to far fetched to me. Basing the Inutit in a Tundra and Snow environment, even if they had seals would still mean real disadvantage as they would have half the tiles anyone else would have to work on.
Buffalo/ Bison seems like a real possiblility and just because it would give away the fact that there would be a Native American Civ doesn't mean that it could still not be spread around the Western Hemishphere to be used by other Civs, they said the inclusion of the resource would give away the Civ, not that the resource was specific to that Civ and no one else could use it.
My guess would be for cotton and the Confederate States, with Jefferson Davis as the Leader. This would make sense due to the fact that the Civil War scenario requires a leaderhead at the both sides. But I am also guessing that Abraham Lincoln will be added as well.
I can't see how glass is any different to jewellery or porcelain. All are examples of produced resources.
ferretbacon
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This would not make sense at all. Cotton is already in the game, so it can't be new. And I highly, highly doubt that the Confederacy is going to be anything other than a scenario civ.
Would make sense, since the 1st and 2nd biggest producers (China and India) are already in the game, and Indonesia is the 3rd. Is one of the most likely ideas I saw here
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