New Civ: Romania

[Aranor]

Hey, Aranor. I integrated this into my own mod, and it didn't work. The mod itself does, and I was wondering if you could help me find the problem with integrating it.

I think I correctly spliced the XML together, and when I loaded my mod, there was no problem with XML. The mod started up just fine, and it was only when I started to actually play a game that the it encountered a problem and needed to shut down. This was the case whether or not I was actually playing as Romania.

If this helps, three other mods have been integrated to mine successfully thus far: Ethnically Diverse Units, Great Generals from Barbarian Combat, and The Middle Eastern/Meso-American Architecture mods.

Are you saying the game crashed? Or you had to exit? Some more details on what was happening when you had the crash would be helpful too.

 

[K.F. Huszár]

Aranor,

i deeply understand "Vae victis".

but after the darkest night daybreak will come.

otherwise congratulation on your mod - concerning the work.

i did not really understood your view of history. Did you tell it is 20% facts and 80% confabulation?
And about the origin of Rumanians, did you write that they are remnants of Roman settlers or Slavic tribes?

(you can take these personally if you like just I take it personally to see Marosvásárhely /Tirgu Mures/ among ancient Rumanian cities)

 

[Aranor]

Aranor,

i deeply understand "Vae victis".

but after the darkest night daybreak will come.

otherwise congratulation on your mod - concerning the work.

i did not really understood your view of history. Did you tell it is 20% facts and 80% confabulation?
And about the origin of Rumanians, did you write that they are remnants of Roman settlers or Slavic tribes?

(you can take these personally if you like just I take it personally to see Marosvásárhely /Tirgu Mures/ among ancient Rumanian cities)

ok first all of the historical information I have got are from credible sources and freinds who are Romanian. As for the origin of the Romanians I never stated my opinion as to who they are. If you must know they in my opinion they are related to the Romans, Slavs and the Getai ( the orginal inhabitants of Romania)

Finally as I have stated about 20 times my city list is composed of cities the lie within Romanian borders today these are the only reasons that they are there.

Thanks for enjoying the mod
Aranor

 

[Bahmo]

Are you saying the game crashed? Or you had to exit? Some more details on what was happening when you had the crash would be helpful too.

The game encountered an error and closed itself. As I said before, this happened whenever I tried to start a game. I say "a" game rather than "the" game, because the Warlords menu does load successfully, but once you opt to actually play the game, it encounters an error and shuts down. I think I might know what the trouble is, so I'll troubleshoot it once this show is over.

 

[Aranor]

The game encountered an error and closed itself. As I said before, this happened whenever I tried to start a game. I say "a" game rather than "the" game, because the Warlords menu does load successfully, but once you opt to actually play the game, it encounters an error and shuts down. I think I might know what the trouble is, so I'll troubleshoot it once this show is over.

Just so I'm understanding you correctly the game crashes as soon as you actually begin a new game? If this is so it sounds like an error somewhere in your splicing together of the mods. An incorrect value in your XML may not show as an error when you load the game XML but can cause a crash when the game starts. ( I've had that happen a few times myself ) Anyway good luck with it I hope you figure out where the problem lies.

 

[Mîtiu Ioan]

(you can take these personally if you like just I take it personally to see Marosvásárhely /Tirgu Mures/ among ancient Rumanian cities)

If we take it historically - why didn't mention then the older name of the city : Szekelyvasarhely or latin name "Novum Forum Siculorum" ?

 

[Bahmo]

Just so I'm understanding you correctly the game crashes as soon as you actually begin a new game? If this is so it sounds like an error somewhere in your splicing together of the mods. An incorrect value in your XML may not show as an error when you load the game XML but can cause a crash when the game starts. ( I've had that happen a few times myself ) Anyway good luck with it I hope you figure out where the problem lies.

Do you know maybe which XML files might cause that?

 

[Aranor]

Do you know maybe which XML files might cause that?

Nope unfortunately it can be different each time. I have had this problem before and could never figure out what was causing the error and subsequent crash, my solution was always to start from scratch again. More time consuming but it always kicked that nasty bug! I know it isn't that easy for you because you have combined several other mod other than this one. But yeah unfortuantely Im alittle stuck with any ideas as to what might be happening, without sitting at the comp and playing your mod to see where its going wrong.

 

[Aranor]

Ok so there is a new leader patch available for Download. Queen Sandy. I said it in the first post but will say it again now, this is not an historical leader, but one based on my better half Sanda. We created it so that she could play as herself if she wanted, and we thought it would be cool to "share" her with you all, for your enjoyment!

Happy Downloading!

Cheers
Aranor

 

[cool3a2]

Sorry that I have to pick up Aranors favorite topic (city list) again after this long time, but I have recognized this thread only after the latest post and what I read here is too unacceptable for me to ignore it. Because of my father is an Hungarian I am familiar with these romanian-hungarian problems. Sure, thats your mod and I won't demand to change this d**n list. As you can read in the forum for the hungarian mod I respect others work. But this list and your oppinion in this case is simply insulting. We have been ragardful with our mod, you will not find any city in its list that is outside Hungary's borders today. You could do as well and be so fair to don't ignore the history. BTW: What your girlfriend says, doesn't inteests me. Nothing against her, I don't know her, but in this case as romanian she is as unprejudiced than me as hungarian. That's no crime, but perhaps you should not believe her everything this time. We don't have to go further here, I don't want to discuss with you, because of following reasons:
1. I think that you don't really know what you are speaking about here, because you are nor Romanian, nor Hungarian.
2. As I said before: thats your work and I will respect it
3. this is not for politics.

You don't even have to answer this. Don't wonder: In future there will also be "romanian" cities in the magyar mod if it is proven that it is mainly populated by hungarians. To every hungarian: feel free to make suggestions!

@Mitiu Ioan (sorry for this incorrect spelling, there is no such an "i" on my keyboard...): I don't really understand your post. Your name sounds romanian to me and if I get you right you like to disprove what k.F. Huszár said before. But why do you point out the former name Székelyvásárhely of one of the cities? With this you support K.F.Huszár: Székely's are HUNGARIANS. Just let me know when I got you wrong.

 

[Aranor]

Sorry that I have to pick up Aranors favorite topic (city list) again after this long time, but I have recognized this thread only after the latest post and what I read here is too unacceptable for me to ignore it. Because of my father is an Hungarian I am familiar with these romanian-hungarian problems. Sure, thats your mod and I won't demand to change this d**n list. As you can read in the forum for the hungarian mod I respect others work. But this list and your oppinion in this case is simply insulting. We have been ragardful with our mod, you will not find any city in its list that is outside Hungary's borders today. You could do as well and be so fair to don't ignore the history. BTW: What your girlfriend says, doesn't inteests me. Nothing against her, I don't know her, but in this case as romanian she is as unprejudiced than me as hungarian. That's no crime, but perhaps you should not believe her everything this time. We don't have to go further here, I don't want to discuss with you, because of following reasons:
1. I think that you don't really know what you are speaking about here, because you are nor Romanian, nor Hungarian.
2. As I said before: thats your work and I will respect it
3. this is not for politics.

You don't even have to answer this. Don't wonder: In future there will also be "romanian" cities in the magyar mod if it is proven that it is mainly populated by hungarians. To every hungarian: feel free to make suggestions!

Not this again, this is why I generally stick to ancient civs, no one can argue that their borders were not where they were!

Ok first off my girl friend had no in put in the creation of the city list, in fact when this mod was first born we were still only friends, shows how long ago this was made, since I met her 2 years ago tomorrow. But that aside, the only input she had was in taking questions I had about Romanian military history to her uncle, who serves as a Komandant (sp?) in the Romanian army. The city list was born of my own research, I am sorry if it offends you that these cities are incorrect, however I had no information saying otherwise. The information I had stated that these were the top most populated cities lying within Romanian borders at the time of the mods creation, some 18 months ago. Just so you know my better half hate history, in fact I know more about Romanian history than she does and I cant claim to know too much, most of my knowledge lies in Dacian history, around the time of the Roman conquests.

As far as my opinion, please tell me what you are so insulted by? Where I think the origins of the Romanian people come from? If this is so I think you need to read my posts more closely. At no time have I stated an opinion. I have only theorized, knowing full well that I am no expert in this area, nor do I claim to be. The most I have said for sure is that at any rate what ever the case is the Romanian certainly are not 100% decendants of the Romans, I am keenly aware of the Slavic migrations through the area. But if you are going to post in such a manner please tell me where I am offending you so I can explain my statements, as perhaps you misunderstood my position, yes my better half is Romanian, however I consider my self unbiased , if you have evidence to the contrary show it to me. It may change my mind in some ways and my opinions, but you are correct in that this mod will not change, especially the city list. It has been this way for over 18 months now and I have no plans to make any changes to it now.

Now to your final points and mine, for I dislike politics in a game forum ( after all its only a game sheeesh )

1. Yes you are right I am NOT Romanian or Hungarian, nor have I ever claimed to be, nor will I ever claim to be. Infact my family are convicts deported to Australia from England for poaching a Deer from the local lords lands. But that does not mean that someone can not try to educate me on their point of view, it doesn't mean I will see it their way, but I will listen and take in everything they have to say. As I have previously stated.

2. Im sorry if I have to disagree, everytime someone bring politics into one of these threads it disrespects the hard work the modder put into making these mods. While I have no problem answering questions and fixing problems with the mod itself, I do not agree with what I see as ethnic sniping against another group. This goes for people on both sides, in this case Hungarian and Romanian. Personally I find it insulting and if I had known that my work would cause this I would have kept it to myself. Which probably would mean there would be no EBCIV project starting up as it was this civ that I really loved to make and is what got me started modding.

3. I think I just covered that

Just so you know, If you add what could be consider Romanian cities by some to your Magyar mod, by all means go for it, its your work after all so why should I care?? As you so clearly pointed out, and went to great lengths to do so I might add, I AM NOT ROMANIAN! If what you do gives you some little piece of happiness then do it, but don't try to make me feel bad when I do the same.

Cool sorry I this comes across as overly harsh, and repetitive (I'm pretty tired and my brain is going in circles ) But it also was unnecessary to go, in what I see, personal. If you want to reply to this by all means do so. But pm me please do not reply on these forums, and this goes for every one, I want to keep this strictly for comments about my work not about what is ethnically correct to you because that just starts more arguments, and if that happens believe me when i say that I will make sure to have this thread locked and I will allow the Romanian civ to die right here.

My2Cents

Aranor

Wow sweet my longest post ever!

 

[Mirc]

(you can take these personally if you like just I take it personally to see Marosvásárhely /Tirgu Mures/ among ancient Rumanian cities)

Where would you put it? In case you didn't know, even Avram Iancu, the starter of the Romanian revolution from 1848, was born there.

Sorry that I have to pick up Aranors favorite topic (city list) again after this long time, but I have recognized this thread only after the latest post and what I read here is too unacceptable for me to ignore it. Because of my father is an Hungarian I am familiar with these romanian-hungarian problems. Sure, thats your mod and I won't demand to change this d**n list. As you can read in the forum for the hungarian mod I respect others work. But this list and your oppinion in this case is simply insulting. We have been ragardful with our mod, you will not find any city in its list that is outside Hungary's borders today. You could do as well and be so fair to don't ignore the history. BTW: What your girlfriend says, doesn't inteests me. Nothing against her, I don't know her, but in this case as romanian she is as unprejudiced than me as hungarian. That's no crime, but perhaps you should not believe her everything this time. We don't have to go further here, I don't want to discuss with you, because of following reasons:
1. I think that you don't really know what you are speaking about here, because you are nor Romanian, nor Hungarian.
2. As I said before: thats your work and I will respect it
3. this is not for politics.

Which city of those is not within Romania's borders? Romania's borders haven't changed a centimeter since the end of WW2, so it's not hard to know which city is inside and which is outside.

Bucharest
Iasi
Cluj Napoca
Timisora
Constanta
Craiova
Galati
Brasov
Ploiesti
Sibiu
Braila
Oardea
Bracau
Arad
Pitesti
Targu Mures
Baia Mare
Buzau
Satumare
Botosani

You really want me to point you all those cities on the map? From what I see this is not the full list, but I can't see the full list right now as I don't have Civ4 installed here. Still, you said it's what you read here that insulted you.

 

[cool3a2]

Sorry if you got me wrong. The point is not that these city are on romanian territory today, the point is that they are or were mostly populated by Hungarians and with this they should not be in a citylist of a serious romanian mod. Look here[URL] if you don't believe me. On the other side there are no proofs for the theory that Romanians are descendants of Romanized Dacians and this is very controversial outside Romania (not only in Hungary, but in the most other countries). Take a look in the source given by magyarlovag. But believe and do with your mod what you want. I'm just fed up with shutting up my mouth because being proud of my heritage (and with this being proud on the hungarian history of Erdély) to not be undiplomatic. I am not a racist and I do not await from Romanians to accept suppresion by Hungary. But why should we accept that by you? You claim this territory was never really hungarian and with this you supress us by destroying our peoples history there. Not everything we did was wrong, but for you we are just a kind of terorists. I am using the old hungarian borders as symbol (e.g. as desktop background), but not because I want this country. What would Hungary win with this? Only trouble. I take it as a symbol for a Hungary that is home for every Hungarian who and who's ancesters never has left his / their home. In my opinion the borders made by Trianon are a big mistake and the situation now is not satisfactory. I think, although it seems impossible, a referendum would be the best choice. Anyway, Romania could at least accept the truth of the history of Erdély. Now I fnished. I don't want to make propaganda here or go further in politics. That's why I won't post here anymore. That's your thread, not mine. I just wanted to give my opinion to this mod since I thought this is what the thread is for. All the same, I never wanted to play this mod anyway.

 

[Mirc]

Sorry if you got me wrong. The point is not that these city are on romanian territory today, the point is that they are or were mostly populated by Hungarians and with this they should not be in a citylist of a serious romanian mod. Look here[URL] if you don't believe me. On the other side there are no proofs for the theory that Romanians are descendants of Romanized Dacians and this is very controversial outside Romania (not only in Hungary, but in the most other countries). Take a look in the source given by magyarlovag. But believe and do with your mod what you want. I'm just fed up with shutting up my mouth because being proud of my heritage (and with this being proud on the hungarian history of Erdély) to not be undiplomatic. I am not a racist and I do not await from Romanians to accept suppresion by Hungary. But why should we accept that by you? You claim this territory was never really hungarian and with this you supress us by destroying our peoples history there. Not everything we did was wrong, but for you we are just a kind of terorists. I am using the old hungarian borders as symbol (e.g. as desktop background), but not because I want this country. What would Hungary win with this? Only trouble. I take it as a symbol for a Hungary that is home for every Hungarian who and who's ancesters never has left his / their home. In my opinion the borders made by Trianon are a big mistake and the situation now is not satisfactory. I think, although it seems impossible, a referendum would be the best choice. Anyway, Romania could at least accept the truth of the history of Erdély. Now I fnished. I don't want to make propaganda here or go further in politics. That's why I won't post here anymore. That's your thread, not mine. I just wanted to give my opinion to this mod since I thought this is what the thread is for. All the same, I never wanted to play this mod anyway.

You just gave the worst example possible!! My mother's family is from Cluj, and they're all Romanians.

But congrats on at least bringing some ideas there.
Please stop this though: "On the other side there are no proofs for the theory that Romanians are descendants of Romanized Dacians" there are so many proofs that I really don't know how you could deny them.

 

[Zet_DJ]

when r u going to release the bts version of the romanian civ ?

 

[Aranor]

when r u going to release the bts version of the romanian civ ?

I certainly am going to. As of yet it hasn't been released in Australia, rest assured as soon as it is, Romania will be the first I update!

 

[Zet_DJ]

thanks !
i can't wait

 

[Aranor]

thanks !
i can't wait

Should be about 2 weeks maybe 3 depends on work (I recently got promoted and now have the ooohhhh so enjoyable job of training my staff properly and doing all that managerial stuff ) and how quickly I can lay my hands on BtS. But rest assured this mod will be the first I update and possibly expand to include a new leader and some new flavor units Again this will depend my work load. Cheers
Aranor

 

[orinsul]

the romanian names for romanian cities are far superior
Bucuresti
Crisana
Maros
Solesti
Valeni de Munte

 

[Mîtiu Ioan]

@Mitiu Ioan (sorry for this incorrect spelling, there is no such an "i" on my keyboard...): I don't really understand your post. Your name sounds romanian to me and if I get you right you like to disprove what k.F. Huszár said before. But why do you point out the former name Székelyvásárhely of one of the cities? With this you support K.F.Huszár: Székely's are HUNGARIANS. Just let me know when I got you wrong.

No - they was not hungarians initially. The fact that now that population is almost completely magyarised is another point of view - but this didn't support the theory name a city by the name given by initial population which found it.