New Civ: USSR

Kaiserguard said:
I much agree with him, besides, Lenin's regime didnt had any form of Racism; Stalin did discriminate Jews, Chechens and Middle-Asians which is actually more like fascist than communist. And I think that Racism is part of Fascism and Radical-Capitalism and not in Communism. (It supposed to be racism free)

Ideals are not the ideal thing to go by. (Heh)
Stalin was as fascistic and nationalistic as one can be while still being a communist. His antisemitism was legendary and he attempted to counteract Israel by moving all Soviet jews to the Chinese border -- in eastern Siberia.
 
Hmm, I chose Stalin and Gorbachev mostly because of the differences Soviet Union had on Stalin's and Gorbachev's regime... sure, Lenin's and Stalin's regimes were different... but can you have 3 leaders per civ? I would add Lenin in that case. :)
 
That would absolutely be possible, you can have 10 leaders if you like!
 
I think it should be possible to re-skin Mao Zedong into looking decently like Gorby if someone is in for a try.
 
Robo Magic Man said:
Looks great, but I'd really love to see Lenin as a leader. If he hadn't died, Russia would be a true communism, Stalin wouldn't have made it a totalitarian dictatorship, and there'd probably be less fear of communism in America.
Well actually Lenin was the first to build working camps (the death rate here was high), he sent all "communism enemys" there. And gues who? Anyone who disobeyed Lenin, o got any other thoughts other than his became the "enemy of comunism". Event political police was founded by the decree of Lenin. The main purpose of it was to sweep "communism enemies".
So really Stalin was the same like Lenin, just several times worse, but they both were totalitaristic dictatorships.
In USSR anyone in power was a dictatorship (yes after Stalin it was less totalitarian as person, but the same totalitarian rule existed in the hands of Communist party and everybody was afraid of secret police, every writen book, news paper, or film made was reviewed and controlled by strict Moscow's hand).
 
Undeadas said:
Well actually Lenin was the first to build working camps (the death rate here was high), he sent all "communism enemys" there. And gues who? Anyone who disobeyed Lenin, o got any other thoughts other than his became the "enemy of comunism". Event political police was founded by the decree of Lenin. The main purpose of it was to sweep "communism enemies".
So really Stalin was the same like Lenin, just several times worse, but they both were totalitaristic dictatorships.
In USSR anyone in power was a dictatorship (yes after Stalin it was less totalitarian as person, but the same totalitarian rule existed in the hands of Communist party and everybody was afraid of secret police, every writen book, news paper, or film made was reviewed and controlled by strict Moscow's hand).

Yeah, its truly is terrible. But you should remember that USSR was in the middle of a civil war between the reds and the whites + the worldwars. It was not a good time to try start a communist regime with all the problems in the world....
 
Tompskij said:
Yeah, its truly is terrible. But you should remember that USSR was in the middle of a civil war between the reds and the whites + the worldwars. It was not a good time to try start a communist regime with all the problems in the world....
Yes and no. USSR lasted for 70 years. The bad situacion was only for 5-6 years (WWII plus civilwar), but the totalitaristic dictatorship was for the whole period of time.
It's just the face of russian communism - it really can't exist with free speech and personal freedoms. When Gorbaciov with his words "publicity, free speech, don't be afraid to critisize goverment" destroyed the brachn of dictatorship - USSR instantly colapsed, because only the regimen power and secret police were keeping that country together.
 
Tompskij said:
Yeah, its truly is terrible. But you should remember that USSR was in the middle of a civil war between the reds and the whites + the worldwars. It was not a good time to try start a communist regime with all the problems in the world....

Its never a good time to start a communist regime. They invariably devolve into paranoid totalitarian states with horrendously broken economies. I'm restraining myself from going off on a rant, so rather than point out the many fatal flaws of communism, both in its theory and practice; I'll leave it at the following sentence. You can judge any nation or political system on 1 question: Are people trying to get in or are they trying to get out?
 
Chuey68 said:
... instead of the MIG maybe having workers becoming a variation of Indian fast workers, the workers under communism could have some kind combat skills. (dictatorship of the proletariat).

Good idea! Mainly It's not labour camps, but real enthusiasm (spell?) of working people, that makes soviet industrial breakthrough real. Though there was no enthusiasm at all in Brezhnev's USSR-)
 
Undeadas said:
Yes and no. USSR lasted for 70 years. The bad situacion was only for 5-6 years (WWII plus civilwar), but the totalitaristic dictatorship was for the whole period of time.
It's just the face of russian communism - it really can't exist with free speech and personal freedoms. When Gorbaciov with his words "publicity, free speech, don't be afraid to critisize goverment" destroyed the brachn of dictatorship - USSR instantly colapsed, because only the regimen power and secret police were keeping that country together.

Yes + building up communism in a country that never had capitalism. I think thats important before try starting something. Russia was the last country in the world with feodalism.
 
AngryPants said:
Its never a good time to start a communist regime. They invariably devolve into paranoid totalitarian states with horrendously broken economies. I'm restraining myself from going off on a rant, so rather than point out the many fatal flaws of communism, both in its theory and practice; I'll leave it at the following sentence. You can judge any nation or political system on 1 question: Are people trying to get in or are they trying to get out?

I dont think you can judge anything by that, there will always be people that wont agree with what you're doing. Hey, I dont like how the sovjetunion was working but I think its stupid to blame the communist ideology when it really was the leading men that got extremely corrupt. If I would to like you ALL political systems would be a hell. There have never been a system without corruption, murder and un-equality.

(Btw; Sorry about my English :D )
 
I think the Spetznez troops should take less time to bring a city out of anarchy after you take the city. Perhaps they cut that time in half.

My other suggestions would be that the spetznez can treat hill squares as roads (think afghanistan experience) or that they ignore terrain defense modifiers.

Just suggestions.
 
Tompskij said:
I dont think you can judge anything by that, there will always be people that wont agree with what you're doing. Hey, I dont like how the sovjetunion was working but I think its stupid to blame the communist ideology when it really was the leading men that got extremely corrupt. If I would to like you ALL political systems would be a hell. There have never been a system without corruption, murder and un-equality.

(Btw; Sorry about my English :D )

I find the communist ideology offensive as it has murdered and enslaved millions of people (billions). Communism is also a highly offensive religion with holy relics and icons that are equally offensive. I am disgusted by the worshipping of Lenins corpse and the constant rebellion against the communists own society only for the sake of rebellion, as the current society already is a social paradise for it´s people with no starvation, good homes, transportation, running water, clean beds and clothes for everyone. All you can ask for is never enough for a true communist.

True equality is not desirable, as that would be like playing civ4 with cheating enabled, no goals, no high-score, no desires. The only thing I can´t stand is a rich politician in a poor devastated country, like Arafat in Palestine, or Stalin, Kim Jun Il, Castro, Göran Persson or Mona Sahlin. They all live on welfare and are totally unaffected by their own political descisions, this makes it hard for them to tell right from wrong.

That is why communism will never work because it´s an extreme religious cult who can only make descisions formed in a book a hundred years ago, it´s a cult who reward friends, comrades and greed rather then wisdom, knowledge and skill. The result is a religious society based on fear from thinking outside of the book and speaking your own mind. That´s why you Tompskij can´t accept people who use the German language, beacuse you believe them all to be nazis, you can never be friends with or tolerate someone who doesn´t love the book like you do, you and your countless of communist politicians can never accept advice from someone who haven´t bowed at Lenins corpse.

That´s why true communism will always fail, because it can´t accept anyone who isn´t a comie. To me, when you praise communism, you´re nothing more then another fascist, a true nazi and equally offensive. I know you can accept that and I appreciate that you will never again remind me of communism or the oppressive murderous regime of the USSR.

I usually have no problem with studying either communism, nazism, Hitler or Stalin, their tanks, their tactics, even their ideology. But when you came around shrieking at the sight of some german language and found it offensive and demanded censoring, then I demand censoring from you. If you can´t live by and respect your own rules then you should just shut the hell up.
 
Even though I'm not really fond of communism discussion in my mod thread, I must say that Finland's doing quite a good job mixing capitalism and socialism.

ahigh, that's a good suggestion... :)
 
Hey, I'm reading through this thing and it gave me the idea of doing a Spetsnaz skin for the Navy SEAL.

It's just a little WIP pic (for instance, please ignore the gun!) but incase you do decide to have a Spetsnaz UU :)
 

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