Shaitan
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Negative. We do not update data in the registry. The only time we update based off of registry data is in the index/registry threads where the registry is the input source for the index.
New Department Proposal: Office of Public Relations
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interjectiv
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That is why a office to document and save this infomation is vital.
Once I have a chance to really read this thread instead of skimming it, I will decide. Unfortunately I am at work, and cannot keep this page open for very long at a time...
Edit: wow, this thread is really flying. This was a response to whether or not I support this office.
Edit: wow, this thread is really flying. This was a response to whether or not I support this office.
interjectiv
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No prob, Eyrei
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what about if we let the mods also update the poll-registry and with that turn it into a poll index? the input from the office could be posted in the index-thread for the mods to easily summarize it.
if a poll is closed, it is taken over by the office into the poll-history and statistics.
maybe 2 threads in the poll-subforum would suite:
a poll history and a poll index. the poll index would only hold the active polls, whereas the poll-history contains all ended polls (invalid or not does not matter) and their result. one post per poll, which is updatd as the status changes. posts only allowed by office-personel.
i would not like to see this office as the "sidewing" of a citizen group. impartiality and party-shouting would be the result ;-)
we should not have and group influencing a governmental power, as this is what the office will evolve to.
a forced election of the office head is NOT necessary, as it would only be an office. nevertheless, the leader of the coresponding office CAN of course hold election for that positions if he likes.
relations poll-standards commitee->office:
none. the group can try to propose things to citizens and initiate polls, but must NOT influence the office.
the office should not have any rulemaking powers. they are up to the citizenry in total. this would go against the separation of power.
the office will only have advisory and statistical function. nevertheless, i dont know if SO many positions are really necessary. 3 persons should do.
if a poll is closed, it is taken over by the office into the poll-history and statistics.
maybe 2 threads in the poll-subforum would suite:
a poll history and a poll index. the poll index would only hold the active polls, whereas the poll-history contains all ended polls (invalid or not does not matter) and their result. one post per poll, which is updatd as the status changes. posts only allowed by office-personel.
i would not like to see this office as the "sidewing" of a citizen group. impartiality and party-shouting would be the result ;-)
we should not have and group influencing a governmental power, as this is what the office will evolve to.
a forced election of the office head is NOT necessary, as it would only be an office. nevertheless, the leader of the coresponding office CAN of course hold election for that positions if he likes.
relations poll-standards commitee->office:
none. the group can try to propose things to citizens and initiate polls, but must NOT influence the office.
the office should not have any rulemaking powers. they are up to the citizenry in total. this would go against the separation of power.
the office will only have advisory and statistical function. nevertheless, i dont know if SO many positions are really necessary. 3 persons should do.
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another note:
we should not add too much in there from the beginning. we know from rpg what happens if we start too fast. first concentrate on the normal polls, and then on elections (as election moderation works good imho at the moment with our mods).
we should not add too much in there from the beginning. we know from rpg what happens if we start too fast. first concentrate on the normal polls, and then on elections (as election moderation works good imho at the moment with our mods).
interjectiv
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It is not a sidewing of a citizentry group and if you read the official proposal, you'd see that the last artcile states that in order to fill any position you must be impartial to any ethnic and political groups.
The office wouldn't be infulencing the government rather suggesting the best course of action to supplement an important issue.
The office does not have rulemaking powers, rather the head has a vote in all matters. The office would hold its own poll and then whatever choice gets the majority of the vote, the office then submits to the poll itself.
Yes, the position each have a role and are thier for all separate reasons. I think the number of positions is fine.
The OPR would simply organize polls so that they remain heard and documented. We would not force an election, rather orgainize, conduct and survey it.
Proposal 1b is on its way.
The office wouldn't be infulencing the government rather suggesting the best course of action to supplement an important issue.
The office does not have rulemaking powers, rather the head has a vote in all matters. The office would hold its own poll and then whatever choice gets the majority of the vote, the office then submits to the poll itself.
Yes, the position each have a role and are thier for all separate reasons. I think the number of positions is fine.
The OPR would simply organize polls so that they remain heard and documented. We would not force an election, rather orgainize, conduct and survey it.
Proposal 1b is on its way.
Ok. I like this proposal. We should try it in some form or another as an unelected position during this term, and then assess whether it should become an elected position. Also, as dis said, we should keep it simple from the beginning, and once what we have works, add some more. We are already bogged down in a lot of rules, so lets not add a whole bunch more right away.
interjectiv
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We will debate about it for another 24 hours to sufficently hear the majority of the opinion and if there is enough, I will consult the President on the proposal and draw up a final FINAL proposal.
Shaitan
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@disorganizer - We really don't have time to reference back polls to the poll registry thread in order to update the poll registry. If somebody could dedicate the time to do this and post instructions in Needed Things we could then quickly update/delete/whatever. We definitely will not be doing the referencing though.
interjectiv
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References?
Shaitan
der Besucher
disorganizer had said "what about if we let the mods also update the poll-registry and with that turn it into a poll index?"
Previously the talk had been to update the poll registry with poll results.
It's just too much work for a mod to do that but if someone else did the leg work and left instruction sets in Needed Stuff or via PM we could do the actual updates.
Cyc
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Interjectiv - Thank you for keeping this open for more discussion. I've gone over the first proposal and would like to share my thoughts.
Your goals are well written, I like them and think you should keep them. But I think the meat of the proposal strays from your goals.
In your Roles and Obligations -
I really only think numbers 1,2,5, & 7 are items to be focused on. The others may be brought in later after much more discussion and re-writing.
In your Duties -
I think these really need to be re-written after some healthy discussion. #5 is good, but how is this reporting going to affect the people that need help writing polls? #6 is good, but I think the analysis of polls and elections should take place at the begining of each month, after the elections. I definately think #'s 3, 4, & 6 should be taken out.
As far as your Personnel and their responsibilties, I think you should just concentrate on the Head Officer, the Assistant Head Officer, and the Director of Polling. The other positions/duties seem a little too advanced at this time.
Quoting eyrei:
Ok. I like this proposal. We should try it in some form or another as an unelected position during this term, and then assess whether it should become an elected position. Also, as dis said, we should keep it simple from the beginning, and once what we have works, add some more. We are already bogged down in a lot of rules, so lets not add a whole bunch more right away.
I pretty much agree with eyrei here. Your first proposal seems to take too much on at the begining. I like your approach to the Office, but I believe you should start off with small steps, even in your proposal.
Just my thoughts,
Cyc
Your goals are well written, I like them and think you should keep them. But I think the meat of the proposal strays from your goals.
In your Roles and Obligations -
I really only think numbers 1,2,5, & 7 are items to be focused on. The others may be brought in later after much more discussion and re-writing.
In your Duties -
I think these really need to be re-written after some healthy discussion. #5 is good, but how is this reporting going to affect the people that need help writing polls? #6 is good, but I think the analysis of polls and elections should take place at the begining of each month, after the elections. I definately think #'s 3, 4, & 6 should be taken out.
As far as your Personnel and their responsibilties, I think you should just concentrate on the Head Officer, the Assistant Head Officer, and the Director of Polling. The other positions/duties seem a little too advanced at this time.
Quoting eyrei:
Ok. I like this proposal. We should try it in some form or another as an unelected position during this term, and then assess whether it should become an elected position. Also, as dis said, we should keep it simple from the beginning, and once what we have works, add some more. We are already bogged down in a lot of rules, so lets not add a whole bunch more right away.
I pretty much agree with eyrei here. Your first proposal seems to take too much on at the begining. I like your approach to the Office, but I believe you should start off with small steps, even in your proposal.
Just my thoughts,
Cyc
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@shaitan: that was the proposal ;-)
Shaitan
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gotcha
interjectiv
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Ok, i'll take your opinions i like alot of them. impressive cyc. i'd like to get some poepl to help me with proposl 1b though.
Cyc
Looking for the door...
I'd be happy to help you with that, if you'd like interjectiv. As the month is coming to a close, I'll be a little short on time, but still happy to help.
interjectiv
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Alright, we will get together on that.
For now, I'd like to ask Shiatan for final word before Proposal 1b is drawn up and we take it to a vote.
For now, I'd like to ask Shiatan for final word before Proposal 1b is drawn up and we take it to a vote.
Shaitan
der Besucher
I think it is evolving very well. Go ahead and work up 1b and post it. We'll review it and hopefully move to a poll.
interjectiv
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Office of Public Relations: Proposal 1b
This document refers to the users registered as citizens in the Citizen Registry as "CITIZENS" and refers to the whole people instead of just one, and the head of the OPR as "CHIEF", Staff and helpers in the OPR are refered to as "MEMBERS", "NCM" refers to "NATIONAL CITIZEN MEETINGS" (in the form of discussion threads). This document also frequently refers to polls as "IT".
Article 1.1
PRIMARY GOAL:
1) To keep the Fanakian people well heard with thier opinions, keeping the relationship between the government and the people in good standing.
ROLES AND OBLIGATIONS:
1) Work towards judicacy to fast detect invalid, strange or useless polls.
2) Work towards summarizing poll-results in the poll-index and registry.
3) To close threads of outdated polls.
4) Make poll laws and codes of conduct for them.
5) Help citizens setup polls when they do not like/do not know how to accomplish it.
6) Organize and schedule political debates.
7) Advise higher command on how to handle riots or citizen misbehavior.
8) To make sure the government and the people work together to make a better world.
Article 1.2
DUTIES:
1) Invalid, errored, strange, and useless poll detection, closing and deletion.
If a poll is found, he posts in judical thread for poll review. From there on, the judges take over. Eventually, the person holding the position will be able to make the distincion himself if no response is beheld within a week.
2) Issue a bi-monthly report summarizing all polls in that period of time. This report would also contain polls that were closed and/or deleted.
3) To close outdated polls. The Chief would now advise the command to close outdated polls or clear them out of the registry. Also, in a period of 15 days after a similar polls closing, Citizen cannot create another poll of the same surface matter relating to the one that came before it.
4) The OPR MUST be advised beforehand on all changes to any law and and SHOULD be advised on poll laws, changes, and discussions.
5) Provide poll assistance for wording, or if the Citizen simply can not/does not have the ability to post a poll.
6) The orgaization of political debates is key to gather opinions from the vast majority of the citizens and could be refered to as NCM's. This event would take place at the beginning of every month. All Citizens are suggested but not required to attend such meetings.
7) The OPR should be consulted on all matters of Citizen misbehavior, even how little disputes should be reported and documented for future purposes.
8) The OPR would be consulted and would advise on changes in poll laws, and standards.
Article 1.3
STRUCTURE OF OFFICE OF PUBLIC RELATIONS
Head Officer of Public Relations: Elected
Assitant Head Officer of Public Relations: Hired by Head Officer
Head of the Advisory Commission: Hired by Head Officer
Director of Elections: Hired by Cabinet
Director of Polling: Hired by Cabinet
Director of Organization and Issuing: Hired by Head Officer
Political Debate Organizer: Hired by Director of Organization and Issuing
HEAD OFFICER OF PUBLIC RELATIONS (ELECTED):
1) Would oversee all OPR operations and give final input on all poll operations.
2) Has a vote on all matters concering the state and well being of Fanatikan security.
ASSITANT HEAD OFFICER OF PUBLIC RELATIONS (HIRED BY HEAD OFFICER):
1) Assists the HEAD OFFICER on all duties listed above.
HEAD OF ADVISORY COMMISSION (HIRED BY HEAD OFFICER):
1) The HAC's operations would fall under the jurisdiction of the Justices and is subject to critisim from that department.
2) The HAC would review ALL cases after a period of 30 days after final operation of polls and frequently monitor all polls to ensure the quality of the enviroment when polling.
DIRECTOR OF ELECTIONS (HIRED BY CABINET):
1) Organizes and schedules all election polls, and issues results for those closed.
DIRECTOR OF POLLING (HIRED BY CABINET):
1) Finalizes reports and summaries of reports including public opinion in replies to polls.
DIRECTOR OF ORGANIZATION AND ISSUING (HIRED BY HEAD OFFICER):
1) Organizes all OPR operations and moderates employees.
2) Organizes ALL political operations, including elections and inagurations.
POLITICAL DEBATE ORGANIZER (HIRED BY DIRECTOR OF ORGANIZATION AND ISSUING):
1) Develops political debates for all parties.
2) Moderates all political debates.
REQUIRMENT FOR FILLING ALL POSITIONS: Must be impartial to any and all ethnic groups and political parties to ensure unbaised moderation.
Article 1.4
CHANGES TO EXISTING ORGANIZATIONS
1) The OPR would become somewhat of an official PSC (polling standards commision). The two organizations would work intimately together on all aspects of power allocated to the OPR. After a period of 3 months, a vote will be taken on weither or not to merge the two organizations. Until that times arises, the OPR MUST consult the PSC on all operations.
Article 1.5
POSITION IN GOVERNMENT
1) The OPR would have advisory status in the government. The OPR would be let in on ALL aspects of military functions because these actions threaten the lives of citizens under the consitituion of Fanakia.
2) Positions in the OPR would be elected unless stated otherwise.
3) Until the coming of the second term, the OPR would remain a unelected office run by a hired Head Officer by the President of Fanakia and/or subordiants. When the second term arises, the OPR would then become a official department in the state and become under elected operators.
Here ends proposal 1b of the Office of Public Relations.
io/ya
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This document refers to the users registered as citizens in the Citizen Registry as "CITIZENS" and refers to the whole people instead of just one, and the head of the OPR as "CHIEF", Staff and helpers in the OPR are refered to as "MEMBERS", "NCM" refers to "NATIONAL CITIZEN MEETINGS" (in the form of discussion threads). This document also frequently refers to polls as "IT".
Article 1.1
PRIMARY GOAL:
1) To keep the Fanakian people well heard with thier opinions, keeping the relationship between the government and the people in good standing.
ROLES AND OBLIGATIONS:
1) Work towards judicacy to fast detect invalid, strange or useless polls.
2) Work towards summarizing poll-results in the poll-index and registry.
3) To close threads of outdated polls.
4) Make poll laws and codes of conduct for them.
5) Help citizens setup polls when they do not like/do not know how to accomplish it.
6) Organize and schedule political debates.
7) Advise higher command on how to handle riots or citizen misbehavior.
8) To make sure the government and the people work together to make a better world.
Article 1.2
DUTIES:
1) Invalid, errored, strange, and useless poll detection, closing and deletion.
If a poll is found, he posts in judical thread for poll review. From there on, the judges take over. Eventually, the person holding the position will be able to make the distincion himself if no response is beheld within a week.
2) Issue a bi-monthly report summarizing all polls in that period of time. This report would also contain polls that were closed and/or deleted.
3) To close outdated polls. The Chief would now advise the command to close outdated polls or clear them out of the registry. Also, in a period of 15 days after a similar polls closing, Citizen cannot create another poll of the same surface matter relating to the one that came before it.
4) The OPR MUST be advised beforehand on all changes to any law and and SHOULD be advised on poll laws, changes, and discussions.
5) Provide poll assistance for wording, or if the Citizen simply can not/does not have the ability to post a poll.
6) The orgaization of political debates is key to gather opinions from the vast majority of the citizens and could be refered to as NCM's. This event would take place at the beginning of every month. All Citizens are suggested but not required to attend such meetings.
7) The OPR should be consulted on all matters of Citizen misbehavior, even how little disputes should be reported and documented for future purposes.
8) The OPR would be consulted and would advise on changes in poll laws, and standards.
Article 1.3
STRUCTURE OF OFFICE OF PUBLIC RELATIONS
Head Officer of Public Relations: Elected
Assitant Head Officer of Public Relations: Hired by Head Officer
Head of the Advisory Commission: Hired by Head Officer
Director of Elections: Hired by Cabinet
Director of Polling: Hired by Cabinet
Director of Organization and Issuing: Hired by Head Officer
Political Debate Organizer: Hired by Director of Organization and Issuing
HEAD OFFICER OF PUBLIC RELATIONS (ELECTED):
1) Would oversee all OPR operations and give final input on all poll operations.
2) Has a vote on all matters concering the state and well being of Fanatikan security.
ASSITANT HEAD OFFICER OF PUBLIC RELATIONS (HIRED BY HEAD OFFICER):
1) Assists the HEAD OFFICER on all duties listed above.
HEAD OF ADVISORY COMMISSION (HIRED BY HEAD OFFICER):
1) The HAC's operations would fall under the jurisdiction of the Justices and is subject to critisim from that department.
2) The HAC would review ALL cases after a period of 30 days after final operation of polls and frequently monitor all polls to ensure the quality of the enviroment when polling.
DIRECTOR OF ELECTIONS (HIRED BY CABINET):
1) Organizes and schedules all election polls, and issues results for those closed.
DIRECTOR OF POLLING (HIRED BY CABINET):
1) Finalizes reports and summaries of reports including public opinion in replies to polls.
DIRECTOR OF ORGANIZATION AND ISSUING (HIRED BY HEAD OFFICER):
1) Organizes all OPR operations and moderates employees.
2) Organizes ALL political operations, including elections and inagurations.
POLITICAL DEBATE ORGANIZER (HIRED BY DIRECTOR OF ORGANIZATION AND ISSUING):
1) Develops political debates for all parties.
2) Moderates all political debates.
REQUIRMENT FOR FILLING ALL POSITIONS: Must be impartial to any and all ethnic groups and political parties to ensure unbaised moderation.
Article 1.4
CHANGES TO EXISTING ORGANIZATIONS
1) The OPR would become somewhat of an official PSC (polling standards commision). The two organizations would work intimately together on all aspects of power allocated to the OPR. After a period of 3 months, a vote will be taken on weither or not to merge the two organizations. Until that times arises, the OPR MUST consult the PSC on all operations.
Article 1.5
POSITION IN GOVERNMENT
1) The OPR would have advisory status in the government. The OPR would be let in on ALL aspects of military functions because these actions threaten the lives of citizens under the consitituion of Fanakia.
2) Positions in the OPR would be elected unless stated otherwise.
3) Until the coming of the second term, the OPR would remain a unelected office run by a hired Head Officer by the President of Fanakia and/or subordiants. When the second term arises, the OPR would then become a official department in the state and become under elected operators.
Here ends proposal 1b of the Office of Public Relations.
io/ya
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