New DLC: Polynesia

So many erections right now.

And "fail civ" not important to history?
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Polynesian territory. That makes Russia look small.

Except that it's all water.

If you count that all as territory, than the entire north pole might as well be considered part of Russia, and the Indian ocean part of India
 
See all those little dots in the middle? Those are islands people had to reach. The sheer traveling distance is impressive. All the other powers you mentioned either didn't travel into those areas or traveled by land. That's the distinction.
 
It's certainly easier to explore the map until Barb ships start roaming the seas, easy to get around awkward terrain setups or city-state borders.

Being able to carry over the Maori Warrior's unique promotion can be tough if...

1. You have no Iron
2. Your early economy can't sustain their maintenance cost, no thanks to either a lack of luxury resources, or early capital no thanks to the Trading Post nerf.
 
If you count that all as territory, than the entire north pole might as well be considered part of Russia, and the Indian ocean part of India

Hugh?

Russia has it's own continental shelf but we, Canadians, have what's called extensive Nunavut "Provincial" presence & Islands that are in the actual Arctic region *and* near the Magnetic North Pole. No matter how many tiny flaggy insults they'd care dumping on the Ocean floor by using Military subs.
Scramble the CF18's from BagotVille, we've got *ANOTHER* peeper Bomber in sovereign territory.
Turn around - this is your last warning.... Decades worth, btw. On all azimuths, North & South.

Much of it is International waters, ice melting. Good luck if you want to change that.
Considering Greenland has declared "Self-Rule" from Denmark since '09, btw.
Weird claims - indeed.
 
Actually, Deli meat is getting expensive these days. So are hoagie rolls (and they don't last very long). So, in that regard, Subway isn't quite as unreasonable as it would seem. But it's not something you want to buy every day, that's for sure (then again, I wouldn't want to buy a new Civ every day either).

It depends where you buy it from. If you buy it at Whole Foods and expensive chains versus local markets that cater to immigrants and others.
 
As a fan of Hawaiian history I am so glad they finally added a Polynesian civ! The scenario is a lot of fun except I'm having a problem finishing a second game...

I played through with Tahiti with no problems and am now playing as Samoa. Every time I finish my turn at 1470 AD the game crashes. Every. Single. Time.

Any ideas/having similar problems with this DLC?
 
That new leader looks like Wakka from Final Fantasy 10...
 
As a fan of Hawaiian history I am so glad they finally added a Polynesian civ! The scenario is a lot of fun except I'm having a problem finishing a second game...

I played through with Tahiti with no problems and am now playing as Samoa. Every time I finish my turn at 1470 AD the game crashes. Every. Single. Time.

Any ideas/having similar problems with this DLC?

Try playing in strategic view for a few turns.
 
Civilization just isn't the same for me if I am missing Civs on my game. So call me a sucker, but I do think 5$ is a bit of a farce. They really need to include at least two civs with these purchases. Dutch, Portugal need to go together in the the next set. I'd also like to see more ancient civs. Any word on what is in store in the future or is it just anyone's guess? I guess I wouldn't mind shelling something out every 2 1/2 months if the content is there. And what on earth is to become of the expansion? Will it include civilizations from the DLC or just be its own thing?
 
yeah this Steam buy a civ thing is seven edged

course its easy as hell , it asks "does your credit card number end in XXXX"

and i am thinking, no, but my mom's does and then i get like babylon, then wait awhile and then get polynesia, then wait awhile for the 7.94 spain incan thing

then i wait to hear, "whats this 5.00 for?" which is on the Visa bill, and i say "i needed some software to keep my machine up"

if they were smart tho and wanted a ton of response and cash they would have a "You Name it Civ" with like a bi- plane unique unit and a special "glorious me" temple unique building or something

the evidence is clear- next month spain and the incan. and then the expansion pack comes out that has all of those civs plus like a new food source like Oxen and four more civs and you say to yourself "it was worth it to get those early tho"
 
Why is the DLC paradise found scenario crashing to desktop after 159 turns? Anyone else having similar issues, didn't they test it?

As a fan of Hawaiian history I am so glad they finally added a Polynesian civ! The scenario is a lot of fun except I'm having a problem finishing a second game...

I played through with Tahiti with no problems and am now playing as Samoa. Every time I finish my turn at 1470 AD the game crashes. Every. Single. Time.

Any ideas/having similar problems with this DLC?

Me too and I am playing as Tahiti and CTD everytime on turn 159. It is not my laptop because I can reload and play earlier saves. I am not sure what to do firaxis needs to fix their scenario ASAP.
 
the evidence is clear- next month spain and the incan. and then the expansion pack comes out that has all of those civs plus like a new food source like Oxen and four more civs and you say to yourself "it was worth it to get those early tho"
Which will be like the deluxe edition with all previous civs being released as DLCs for half price :D
 
Okay... just found Hawaii, New Zealand & Easter Island (Popups stated that i did) on a Random map. The 2 hours game ended up in defeat by a single SP (couldn't gain enough barbs combat points or by sinking Samoa's Frigates).
Got the Captain Cook in an earlier Pacific map though - and that too was a defeat.

Steam achievements still cannot be verified from the LOG file since Dec 18th.
What gives?

I suspect only a Win will record some of these.
 
Okay... just found Hawaii, New Zealand & Easter Island (Popups stated that i did) on a Random map. The 2 hours game ended up in defeat by a single SP (couldn't gain enough barbs combat points or by sinking Samoa's Frigates).
Got the Captain Cook in an earlier Pacific map though - and that too was a defeat.

Steam achievements still cannot be verified from the LOG file since Dec 18th.
What gives?

I suspect only a Win will record some of these.

I played the South Pacific Map, lost by three turns to Hiva with twice as many cities as them, four times the land area, and 10 times the Moai on Prince difficulty. Methinks the AI might have been taking more advantage of the kills=culture policy than I was.

At any rate, I also saw some oddness with the Steam achievements. Specifically, since I was playing on the South Pacific map, I was very surprised to have gotten the achieves for finding various islands on a Random map. Still haven't played the scenario on a random map, yet...
 
Why is the DLC paradise found scenario crashing to desktop after 159 turns? Anyone else having similar issues, didn't they test it?



Me too and I am playing as Tahiti and CTD everytime on turn 159. It is not my laptop because I can reload and play earlier saves. I am not sure what to do firaxis needs to fix their scenario ASAP.

This is what you do: go to the bug report forum and post a report with your save attached.
They WILL see it and look into it. Reproducible crashes should always be uploaded. How do you expect them to fix the problem when you don't give them the error to look at?
 
Glad they've actually made an official polynesia-area civ. I'm a Kiwi, so pretty pleased... BUT there are many different cultures in the area, and I am almost... almost inclined to be insulted by the claim that Hawaiian and Maori cultures are the same. Good work, but I'm sticking with Civ4 still... at least they're stil patching etc. this.

Very good point. Though I can understand why they did. I'd wager more than a few players had never heard of the Hivans prior to this scenario. The other reason why I'm okay with it has a lot to do with a particular chapter in Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond. Unlike in pretty much every other part of the world, the myriad islands of Polynesia were populated from the same mother culture, pushing out island by island through the ocean.

Still, the conditions of each archipelago and island varied enough that distinctly different cultures emerged as a result. Hawai'ian and Maori cultures are as different from each other as Marquesan and Tongan cultures are, if not more so.

Interestingly enough, many other CiV "nations" aren't necessarily limited to a single cultural group. China, for example, has historically included many ethnic/cultural groups beyond simply the Han Chinese. 56 are officially recognized as bestowing Chinese nationality, and despite the vast cultural differences between the Zhuang and Tibet, both ethnic groups are "Chinese" under the modern nationalist view. (Many Tibetans would beg to differ and that is, of course, another thread for another day.)

Russia, America, Germany (to a lesser extent), Egypt, India (especially so), and a few others are all CiV-represented nations that have, for much of their history, consisted of a wide mix of different cultural and ethnic groups. Each is obviously a very different case, but the one big difference they have over Polynesia is that they actually exist as modern nations. There is no nation of Polynesia, but for gameplay balance and as a nod to inclusivity, there had to be in CiV, otherwise Hawai'ians building Moai and fielding Maori Warriors would have made little sense. The myth of Polynesian nationalism is a fig leaf for the game mechanics and a nod to inclusivity of many underrepresented cultures.

:c5rangedstrength:TL;DR: Honestly, I like how it turned out, but the part that bugs me isn't so much the ethnocultural conflation but the fact that there was never a nation called Polynesia.
 
Okay... just found Hawaii, New Zealand & Easter Island (Popups stated that i did) on a Random map. The 2 hours game ended up in defeat by a single SP (couldn't gain enough barbs combat points or by sinking Samoa's Frigates).
Got the Captain Cook in an earlier Pacific map though - and that too was a defeat.

Steam achievements still cannot be verified from the LOG file since Dec 18th.
What gives?

I suspect only a Win will record some of these.

The log file logging the achievements has nothing to do with getting them. Check your actual steam achievements to see if you got them. They all work fine, I got them all.
 
Building Maois in the main game is hilarious. I play (admittedly, on Prince instead of Emperor) with no purpose other than to ring my continent with them. I become furious when a late era resource pops up under one. I risk workers needlessly in warzones to build them. I give up coastal cities so that I can get a maoi with 2 or 3 neighbors. I plan my conquests at least partially to make my line longer. I have no economy to speak of, because half my tiles are Maois. EDIT: I have annexed a city for no purpose other than to buy the tiles to build more Maois.

I've been having more fun with the Polynesians than with any other Civ so far, by leaps and bounds.
 
The log file logging the achievements has nothing to do with getting them. Check your actual steam achievements to see if you got them. They all work fine, I got them all.
Nope, not listed in Steam (that's why i was asking for having checked first, btw).
Even the HOF hasn't updated by putting the Defeat in, only the earlier via Hiawata has been correctly recorded in the DB.
Strange.
 
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