New Nation Coming! Let's speculate

[Dale]

Sooooo when can we ask you when the date will be known about when we will know?

I'll let you know.

@Dale can we ask you out on a date?

You can ask, but the chances of one from me is nil.

 

[nolegskitten]

If we dismiss civs that are kinda-sorta-already in game like Parthia or Medes (Persia), Macedonia (Greece), Phoenicians (Carthage), Byzantine Empire (Rome) and all the tribes, whats left from approximately same region/period?

* Sumeria
* Kingdom of Israel
* India - further away but close enough for Alexander to reach
* Kingdom of Armenia maybe?

And of course it can always be a different region. Khmer, China, Vietnam. Or even America - Olmecs, Zapotecs.

My bet is on India unless it's gonna be the new-region themed expansion, i.e. Eastern Asia.

Well Sumer and Akkad are essentially Babylonia, just as Assyria and Babylonia are already more or less two game "nations" representing different periods and aspects of the same people/region.

The Maurya empire in India was reached by the Persian empire before Alexander, and kept interacting with the Mediterranean world for centuries. It is quite literally on the fringe of the region though.

I think Phoenicia could make sense although it would take some work to differentiate them from Carthage as traders and navigators. Hittites are probably the most distinct people in the period and region ?

 

[CornPlanter]

Well Sumer and Akkad are essentially Babylonia, just as Assyria and Babylonia are already more or less two game "nations" representing different periods and aspects of the same people/region.

I think Phoenicia could make sense although it would take some work to differentiate them from Carthage as traders and navigators.

I have a feeling those two statements were made by two different people there's no other explanation

 

[nolegskitten]

I have a feeling those two statements were made by two different people there's no other explanation

Alright alright, I'll grant you that, I felt a bit disingenuous while I was typing it , so let me attempt to explain:

at least in western culture, Carthage is mostly refereed to as its own culture, and in particular as the centre of its own power, particularly in the context of the Punic wars and its rivalry with Rome. Also because the geographical areas don't overlap, Carthage identity is quite distinct from the Phoenician one.

The beginning of Assyrian history is usually considered to be the first settlement in the south of Mesopotamia and the birth of Agriculture, with an exchange between people from Sumerian origin and semitic origin, both of these defined as language groups more than anything else. When these people get more precise names along the millennia, (yeah it lasted a long time) they get named after cities and languages. The people from Akkad and their language were considered the main Semitic people (and language) of the Assyrian empire so yeah it's almost literally the confluence of Akkadians and Sumerians.

Regarding Assyria/Babylonia, well the capital city and strongest influence came from Babylon, Niniveh, Assur, Akkad etc depending on the period but overall this is mostly one people with one language (well two, a liturgic and a common one but you get what I mean). I'm ok with the way they were split in the game because variety is welcome, but if the same treatment was applied to the other nations in the game, we could have a Mycenian Greece, a classical Greece and Macedonia, Upper and lower Egypt, and why not split Rome between republic and empire ?


But yeah, agreed, it's not very coherent to pick on the way Assyria/Mesopotamia is split in two entities and then suggest splitting Carthage from Phoenicia.

but at least Carthage and Sidon/Tyre are not in the same place ! That's my defence and I'll stick to it !

 

[FinalDoomsday]

I'd be happy to see Nubia, although if they did arrive I'd like to see some ethnic variety in unit apperance. Honestly I'd pay for a dlc that gave some of the broad culture groups some variation in unit apperance but that is understandly a costly endeavour.