New plans for the future eras

[raxo2222]

@pepper2000 it appears some terrains and features aren't used by buildings - that is no building requires those features in vicinity.
You need PPIO to see what buildings are unlocked if you have terrains/feature in vicinity.

Features:
Brown Dwarf, Blue Giant and Blue Dwarf

Terrains:
Branespace, Hyperspace.
Green Mars, Green Moon.
Red Giant.
Lava/MethaneSubsurface Ocean.
Martian/Venus terrains.
Lunar Dome and Highland (Mare/Regolith/Rille are needed in vicinity for Moon Base though).
Cislunar Space, Orbit.

 

[Yudishtira]

In early Nanotech I'm having a look round, and finding no-one has a problem with pollution. Ok I only looked at my own cities and four belonging to two AIs.

Only three of my cities have positive air pollution (none for water) with the highest in the 200s. This is despite the fact that I've been ignoring pollution practically all game.

Then I found a huge AI city which had air pollution, but at just under 1000 this was still a 'yawn' level which it was safely ignoring.

Then I noticed it had an impressive crime level pushing 3000. All this amounted to 147 excess and several civs are unstable with Revs on, but apart from that, this "every crime under the sun" level was being ignored with impunity.

I just want to know: Has there been a design decision while fleshing out 'future' eras to make properties cease to be a problem? And even if not, in hindsight would you say there are too many property control buildings and not enough that make properties worse?

For example, shouldn't there be a few production buildings by now that pollute hugely without caring because the workforce/population can be safely sequestered in offworld-style accommodations?

 

[Yudishtira]

Planetary Colonization allows you to colonize Mars and Venus. Mars is the easiest planet to colonize, so fair enough. But Venus is the hardest! Colonizing Ceres or Ganymede or Pluto has got to be easier than Venus. Venus should be at least an era later, maybe around the time you colonize the sun.

 

[pepper2000]

The surface of Venus would be quite difficult, but the upper clouds of Venus might be a good place to go.
https://www.universetoday.com/13048...]he atmosphere of,itself) in the solar system.

 

[Yudishtira]

The surface of Venus would be quite difficult, but the upper clouds of Venus might be a good place to go.
https://www.universetoday.com/130482/how-do-we-colonize-venus/#targetText=All told, most proposed methods,to make the planet habitable.&targetText=“[T]he atmosphere of,itself) in the solar system.

So we need an Exoatmosphere Colonization tech, it's a very different endeavour from the moon or Mars, or even Earth-orbit/Cislunar, since I presume you will need to interact with the sulfuric acid etc. clouds.

This tech would be more about Mercury, or near-Earth or captured asteroids. Even main-belt asteroids or Jovian moons, given that the propulsion technology already exists.

 

[Thunderbrd]

If we had entirely encased city pods that could control the temperature and chemical conditions of an artificial atmosphere fairly energy cheaply (or energy generation wasn't an issue) then the surface of just about anywhere would be habitable as long as it was within the tolerance of the shielding mechanism.

 

[raxo2222]

If we had entirely encased city pods that could control the temperature and chemical conditions of an artificial atmosphere fairly energy cheaply (or energy generation wasn't an issue) then the surface of just about anywhere would be habitable as long as it was within the tolerance of the shielding mechanism.

Fusion is reality when you are colonizing space.
Problem is thermodynamics for Venusian surface: you need to build extreme version of fridge.

 

[Thunderbrd]

Fusion is reality when you are colonizing space.

Fusion may be insufficient. Zero Point energy is likely to be a reality at this point anyhow. If the shielding is strong enough for people to live comfortably within the shields, the fridge is not really a factor either. It's very envisionable that we could have effective enough shielding for Venus long before anything that could exist on the volatile and ever-shifting surface of the Sun.

 

[raxo2222]

Fusion may be insufficient. Zero Point energy is likely to be a reality at this point anyhow. If the shielding is strong enough for people to live comfortably within the shields, the fridge is not really a factor either. It's very envisionable that we could have effective enough shielding for Venus long before anything that could exist on the volatile and ever-shifting surface of the Sun.

I meant on beginning of space colonization (Nanotech era).
You can produce GWs or even TWs with fission and or fusion energy sources.
Also solar energy is useful here (and wind on planets with atmosphere).

Zero-Point Energy tech is placed in Cosmic era.
Before that you have antimatter "batteries" too - generating antimatter by sucking solar wind for fusion reactors to power antimatter factories.

 

[Thunderbrd]

Zero-Point Energy tech is placed in Cosmic era.

Yes, on our tech tree it is. I was speaking more for predictions. I give us another decade before we are using ZPE. There's a reason for that but I'm not getting into it.

For a normal development path, what we have established on the tree makes sense though.

 

[Yudishtira]

I suggest the Venus Colony should move to DNA Computing. It should probably go even later, but this 'compromise' doesn't upset too much else of the applecart.

Problem is thermodynamics for Venusian surface: you need to build extreme version of fridge.

Also pressure - so a deep ocean coolroom would be ideal...

 

[Joij21]

Yes, on our tech tree it is. I was speaking more for predictions. I give us another decade before we are using ZPE.

You know they keep saying fusion is only 30 years away but it never happens. And since we can't even do that I doubt zero point energy is ever going to exist within our lifetimes.

 

[raxo2222]

You know they keep saying fusion is only 30 years away but it never happens. And since we can't even do that I doubt zero point energy is ever going to exist within our lifetimes.

Eh this tech was meant to come trough technological uplift

 

[Thunderbrd]

You know they keep saying fusion is only 30 years away but it never happens. And since we can't even do that I doubt zero point energy is ever going to exist within our lifetimes.

No... not if we are left to discover it on our own... And it looks like we'll be having hostilities on Earth soon so yeah, that's probably some hundreds of years off at this point.

 

[raxo2222]

And it looks like we'll be having hostilities on Earth soon so yeah, that's probably some hundreds of years off at this point.

 

[Thunderbrd]

We just can't do it can we? It's just impossible for us to have peace on this planet for long. War is too damned useful.

 

[Joij21]

War would likely speed up technological progress, especially if it could be used to make more powerful weapons. As for aliens uplifting us, what makes you think they would arrive within 10 years? And even if they did they probably would keep it to themselves and use it against us.

 

[Thunderbrd]

War would likely speed up technological progress, especially if it could be used to make more powerful weapons. As for aliens uplifting us, what makes you think they would arrive within 10 years? And even if they did they probably would keep it to themselves and use it against us.

The Podesta emails that were hacked and openly published were never claimed by even those authors of them to be inaccurate. They were private transmissions and some of them speak openly discussing that we have been offered ZPE tech by an offworld species with one of the prerequisites being that we do not have war between now and when we fully decide to take them up on their offer. I tend to believe we may have been given a glimpse of what's actually going on here. The discussion was between Podesta and one of our retired astronauts and the comments were made alluding to this being an understood subject between them.

 

[Joij21]

The Podesta emails that were hacked and openly published were never claimed by even those authors of them to be inaccurate. They were private transmissions and some of them speak openly discussing that we have been offered ZPE tech by an offworld species with one of the prerequisites being that we do not have war between now and when we fully decide to take them up on their offer. I tend to believe we may have been given a glimpse of what's actually going on here. The discussion was between Podesta and one of our retired astronauts and the comments were made alluding to this being an understood subject between them.

WHAT??!!lol!!!

 

[Thunderbrd]

Real as a heart attack.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1802
Among lots of other very interesting matters.