Very nice work as always! 
-Oz
-Oz
NEW UNIT: Qin Soldier/Spearman
- Thread starter Dom Pedro II
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Mackel-Loos
Miscreant
At last, a chinese replacement for the spearman !
Thank you a lot Dom Pedro for this beautiful unit !
You are a great master ...
Thank you a lot Dom Pedro for this beautiful unit !
You are a great master ...
embryodead
Caliph
There is also Chin Spearman by Kinboat with a fitting Swordsman too. Anyone knows which should go first? (which should replace spearman, which pikeman?)
Mackel-Loos
Miscreant
I think the Quin (or Ch'in) Spearman should be the first.
The Chin Spearman look like a peasant soldier of the later periods...
It could be used as a low cost units which needs no ressources...
The Chin Spearman look like a peasant soldier of the later periods...
It could be used as a low cost units which needs no ressources...
Mackel-Loos
Miscreant
I think the Quin (or Ch'in) Spearman should be the first.
The Chin Spearman look like a peasant soldier of the later periods...
It could be used as a low cost units which needs no ressources...
The Chin Spearman look like a peasant soldier of the later periods...
It could be used as a low cost units which needs no ressources...
LouLong
In love with Rei Ayanami
Actually the ones Kinboat did wear the "long hair" of the Mandchu period which is Qing not Qin. It would be fine for a boxer era scenario (guerrilla,...) but not for any place in the evolution of the real/official Chinesemilitary.
Warrior : Shang Warrior (Utah)
Spearman : Qin spearman (Dom Pedro)
Swordsman : Qin sword (wangyushi thread)
Med would likely be Tang units.
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embryo- The Chin were around from 1644 to 1912 its too late for Pikeman. Though Medieval Infatry and Pikeman would be the best to replace it with IMO.
Oh and very nice unit Dom
Oh and very nice unit Dom
Dom Pedro II
Modder For Life
I'm planning on taking this guy and giving him a crossbow too. That's why I didn't give them any weapons in the previews because I figured I could use them for multiple weapons for different purposes.
Dom Pedro II
Modder For Life
In my mod, I have a very cheap but weak unit for every era that can basically be used as the last line of defense for a civilization against invaders (though the AI tends to build them a bit too much regularly). And so I think I'm going to use Kinboat's spearman for this purpose in the Middle Ages.
ArbitraryGuy
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Nice, nice, nice!
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
^ ^ Dom!!
you are amazing ^ ^
you are amazing ^ ^
LouLong
In love with Rei Ayanami
OK, since there seems to be some troubles fitting Chinese units into their proper era, here is a brief summary of Chinese dynasties and some important people, facts... . Provided as well are links to check how their armies would look (until 1644).
Xia (seem mytholigical)
Shang (1500-1000 BC) Taoism
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_6_figure_1.htm
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_16a_figure_1.htm
Zhou (western then Eastern dynasties 1000-256 BC) Confucius (551-479 BC), Lao Zi VIth century BC)
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_16b_figure_1.htm
Qin (or T'sin) 221 - 206 BC one empror Qin Shi Huangdi (Huangdi means emperor) unifies China. The name Qin is probably at the origin of the words China, Chine in Europe.
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_16c_figure_1.htm
Han (name the Chinese give themselves) : 206 BC - 220 AD, fits with most Roman era units. 1st golden Age.
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_54_figure_1.htm
Three Kingdoms : 220 - 265
After that China is divided between North (often ruled by steppes invaders) and South (Six dynasties)
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_72_figure_1.htm
Tang : 618 - 917 second golden Age the recruitment of the public service through literary exams is organized from 606 onwards.
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_95_figure_1.htm
Five dynasties : 917 - 960
leads to another period of anarchy, multiple dynasties, foreign influence and invasions and separation between North and South.
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_95_figure_1.htm
North Song : 960 - 1127
Southern Song : until 1279 after fleeing from the North (Mongol, Manchus invasions)
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_116_figure_1.htm
Yuan : 1280 - 1368 Mongol dynasty, Marco Polo's travel
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_154_figure_1.htm
Ming : 1368 - 1644 : Third Golden Age but the Ming, threatened from the North and in decadency, refuse to seize the opportunity of the discoveries overseas ( travels of Zheng He). Jesuit missionaries. 1516 : Portuguese settle in Macao. Canton (GuangZhou) is the only place where foreign trade with Europeans is allowed. White lotus rebellion.
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_174_figure_1.htm
Qing : 1644-1911 : Mandchu dynasty. The army is composed of the crack Mandchu troops (the nine banners) + mostly local Chinese troops. Being defeated, Chinese are considered as immature by the Mandchus and forced to wear long hair (a la children or women : this is NOT a Chinese tradition).
Republic : 1911 - 1949 : Sun Yat Sen takes control in Beijing (PuYi is the last Emperor) but fails to control the whole of China. Fights between feudal warlords, Republican government (whose main party is known as Guo Ming Dang), the Communists and the Japanese. The perpetual fight makes the Republican power go into the hands of the military (Chiang Kai Shek).
Communist China : 1949 - ?
Except for Taiwan, China has reunited, including Hong Kong, Macao, and annexing Tibet (1951). After turmoils, crisis and weird choices, China seems to go towards Communism (politics) and capitalism (economy) together. Weird, who said weird ?
Xia (seem mytholigical)
Shang (1500-1000 BC) Taoism
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_6_figure_1.htm
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_16a_figure_1.htm
Zhou (western then Eastern dynasties 1000-256 BC) Confucius (551-479 BC), Lao Zi VIth century BC)
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_16b_figure_1.htm
Qin (or T'sin) 221 - 206 BC one empror Qin Shi Huangdi (Huangdi means emperor) unifies China. The name Qin is probably at the origin of the words China, Chine in Europe.
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_16c_figure_1.htm
Han (name the Chinese give themselves) : 206 BC - 220 AD, fits with most Roman era units. 1st golden Age.
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_54_figure_1.htm
Three Kingdoms : 220 - 265
After that China is divided between North (often ruled by steppes invaders) and South (Six dynasties)
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_72_figure_1.htm
Tang : 618 - 917 second golden Age the recruitment of the public service through literary exams is organized from 606 onwards.
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_95_figure_1.htm
Five dynasties : 917 - 960
leads to another period of anarchy, multiple dynasties, foreign influence and invasions and separation between North and South.
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_95_figure_1.htm
North Song : 960 - 1127
Southern Song : until 1279 after fleeing from the North (Mongol, Manchus invasions)
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_116_figure_1.htm
Yuan : 1280 - 1368 Mongol dynasty, Marco Polo's travel
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_154_figure_1.htm
Ming : 1368 - 1644 : Third Golden Age but the Ming, threatened from the North and in decadency, refuse to seize the opportunity of the discoveries overseas ( travels of Zheng He). Jesuit missionaries. 1516 : Portuguese settle in Macao. Canton (GuangZhou) is the only place where foreign trade with Europeans is allowed. White lotus rebellion.
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_174_figure_1.htm
Qing : 1644-1911 : Mandchu dynasty. The army is composed of the crack Mandchu troops (the nine banners) + mostly local Chinese troops. Being defeated, Chinese are considered as immature by the Mandchus and forced to wear long hair (a la children or women : this is NOT a Chinese tradition).
Republic : 1911 - 1949 : Sun Yat Sen takes control in Beijing (PuYi is the last Emperor) but fails to control the whole of China. Fights between feudal warlords, Republican government (whose main party is known as Guo Ming Dang), the Communists and the Japanese. The perpetual fight makes the Republican power go into the hands of the military (Chiang Kai Shek).
Communist China : 1949 - ?
Except for Taiwan, China has reunited, including Hong Kong, Macao, and annexing Tibet (1951). After turmoils, crisis and weird choices, China seems to go towards Communism (politics) and capitalism (economy) together. Weird, who said weird ?
Dom Pedro II
Modder For Life
Just so you know, there's an error in the .ini file... I copied this from the Meiji Rifleman and I forgot to change one of the flics... so you'll have to do that manually. Just change it to QinSpearmanRun.flc.
Made my game crash!
Made my game crash!
tjedge1
Writer of writerly things
Great unit.
ocedius
C++ induced baldness
Awesome unit !!! IMHO ofcourse. Will test it ingame as soon as I reinstall CivIII and C3C. Until then i'll just have to be satisfied with drooling.
Kal-el
Deity
nice job!
aaglo
Furioso!
Nice unit, Dom!
I was just wondering about this:
Are you talking about shadow colour or what?
I was just wondering about this:
Originally posted by Dom Pedro II
I thought you'd be happy about the shadows, embryo... it's not a seven, but it's an eight. And the next with take it down to seven. For everybody else, just trust me that it's an improvement...
Are you talking about shadow colour or what?
embryodead
Caliph
colour index in the palette. civ3 units use 7th color for darkest shadow, so if you want to have shadows of the same intensity, also use colours 2-7 for shadow. do I make sense? 
