New UU's

some times i hate this forum... I logg in, type a loooooong post then when i try to post it... GONE. sorry you're not logged in... ARRRRRRRGH!!!

oh-well, can tbe bothered to retype my entire post some her is the scope of it

about Sweden conquering the States. I said that sweden was a civ that had had territory in the modern day countries of USA, etc. We had a colony in America, that was what I was thinking about.

about golden ages... I think it shgould depend on the civ. If it is a cultural civ (like the byzantines), then they could have a (cultural)golden age even during their downfall (like the decades before 1453)


about Byzantines and Xens post. I agree with all of your remarks and also that the byzantines should be included. What I ment was that they were not a different civ from the romans due to various argument that I cant be bothered to type one more time... I'll post them tomorrow. All that I really want to say is that if the byzantines are in, please put the swedes in too... yay!

thats about asll that i wrote the first time...

Jonte
 
It depends on how you look at it to see them as a "cultura; empire" ant more then its contemporary civilazation- I see the Byzantines as ever changing between the two, but is more sunk into a military based golden age, as its greatist leaders (justinin, and Heracleus the somthing number I think are high amoung them), not to mention the historic Byzantine golden age happend around the Time of Basil II, the emperor so tough on his enimy nations that after campaigns of (limited)conquest, and even for around 50 years after his death NO ONE attacked the empire....
 
Originally posted by Xen
hmmmmmm, the assyians would be great, but only if the hittites were taken out, as either would fufil my wishes for a more chariot oriented early ancient age....
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The great thing about Assyria is they don't have to be Charioteers.

The Assyrian army started with Chariot warfare that was common of the day. When the Iron age began, the Assyrian army adapted as well. The Assyrians were among the first to use mass quantities of iron. They had heavily armored Composite Bowmen who were effective at sieges (The Babylonain UU, the Bowman, seems to be based on this). In fact, the Assyrians were the best at siege warfare for many years to come.

However, Bowmen and Chariots are already taken, which brings me to another powerful Assyrian unit, the Horse Archer. The Assyrians were among the first to switch from Chariots to Cavalry. Assyrian Horse Archers were called Hurricanes on Horseback in the Bible. They were able to engage the enemy at long range, and disingage before he could attack.

In Civ3, the Assyrian Horse Archer should be 2.1.3. Its superior speed makes it difficult for conventional Horsemen to attack it, allowing it to do hit-and-run tactics.

Here are some links:

The Assyrian War Machine
The Assyrian War Machine (Part 2)
The Assyrian War Machine (Part 3)
The Birth of Cavalry
Ancient Masters of the Siege
Ancient Fortifications
Early Iron Age Armies
Pioneers with Iron

I really like this site, and I find it very useful for the exact kind of information I need (It probably isn't a good idea to get all my info from one source, but this site is really just excerpts from other sources. There are actually some newly added info on Byzantine. Its mainly about Byzantine Horse Archers, ironically.

This isn't, though
http://xenograg.isauras.com/excerpts/war/cataphract.php
http://xenograg.isauras.com/excerpts/war/cataphract2.php
 
... i get real sick of hearing all these notes about adding the byzantines into the game. GET IT THROUGH YOUIR HEAD! THEY WONT!
 
well someone is a bit pissey...

A)THEY ALREADY HAVE!- The only thing we dont know is if its a scenario only civ, or a full blown civ

B)Considering that not all the leader head art is apprentlly done, and until a game is released its not done (the game itself, and even then pathces and things are somtimes needed), our arguments for civ maght just still have an impact on what civs get into the game, sure the chances are slim, and mabey you would give up- but I wont, I refuse to, I'll still buy it no matter what though, even if Byzantines are not a full blown civ

C)If you dont like it, then dont read it, no one forces you to, and considering that the topic disrespects, or offends no one, there is no reason to stop writing about them.I know I wont jest becuase some kid who dosent even know much more about them (the Byzantines) then what I have written dosent care about what civs get into the game-SO GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD- I WONT STOP
 
<puts Rocky soundtrack BACK on>

again... "It's the... eye of the Tiger, he's the cream of the fight..."

:D
 
Originally posted by wildWolverine
<puts Rocky soundtrack BACK on>

again... "It's the... eye of the Tiger, he's the cream of the fight..."

:D
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Soundtrack : rocky III (1982)
Risin' up, back on the street
Took my time, took my chances
Went the distance
Now I'm back on my feet
Just a man and his will to survive
So many times, it happened too fast
You trade your passion for glory
Don't lose your grip on the dreams of the past
You must fight just to keep them alive

* It's the eye of the tiger
It's the thrill of the fight
Risin' up to the challenge
Of our rival
And the last known survivor
Stalks his prey in the night
And his fortune must always be
Eye of the tiger

Face to face, out in the heat
Hangin' tough, stayin' hungry
They stack the odds
Still we take to the street
Fot the kill with the skill to survive
(Repeat *)

Risin' up straight to the top
Had the guts, got the glory
Went the distance
Now I'm not gonna stop
Just a man and his will to survive
(Repeat *)

The eye of the tiger
(4 times till fade)

:lol: :lol: Yay Stallone :D:lol:
 
To get back somewhat on topic (and my own point of ranting :D), what are the chances of old civs getting new uu's? How many people must despise the F-15 unit before it is changed/replaced?
 
I hate the F-15 UU in its entirety- better to be replaced with the US army Ranger, that could replace the paratrooper, and still be of value in the modern era.....
 
I don't know how many people it would take, but a WWII unit would be a whole lot better timing for America's Golden Age than the late Cold War, but some would say that is objectable.
 
Hence my suggestion of the Frontiersman: replaces the musket man, has forest/mountains as favored terrain (doesn't lose the movement point). It could have a moderately better attack value than musketman, lower defense, and one extra movement point, sort of like a later age jag warrior.
 
A good idea, though out of place for a main UU (ie, not a scenario only one) as they were never a component of the US army
 
Not entirely true. In many cases, frontiersmen were used as scouts both in the early days of the Indian wars (i.e., vs. the Seminoles), and in the later days of Manifest Destiny (i.e., against the Sioux and Cheyenne). In the Revolutionary war, Ethan Allen and the Green Mountain boys were a regular regiment in the army, composed entirely of "frontiersmen." The same goes for Daniel Morgan's Virginian sharpshooters.

edit: said scouts were indeed in the employment of the army.
 
I stand corrected :D

but still, that seems like it would better fit an improved explorer, somthing that I think everyone can agree is just as worthless as the F-15
 
eh. I can see how some people would see it as worthless, but nothing, NOTHING, can be "just as worthless as the F-15." :D
 
well...almost as worthless.....
 
"What I ment was that they were not a different civ from the romans due to various argument that I cant be bothered to type one more time..." myself

ok so as promised im gonna present the argument to why the byzantines and the Romans in my (and probably many others) opinion are the same civ. (If any one really cares at this point)Ok, first let me tell you that:

1. Yes, I know they spoke a different language
2. Yes, I know they had a different Capital
3. Yes I know they had a different state religion

but let me use the example (I know best) of Sweden:
Swedes spoke a different language in the year 1200 than they do today. Sweden had a different Capital then it has today. Sweden had a different (though maybe not drastically different) state religion than it has today. But we still consider Sweden in the year 1200 to be the same civ as the Nation we have today. I see civs as basically being the people (ethnic groups, perhaps, but not entirely) So the aztec civ today would be represented by Mexico. Egypt in the year 1300 would be represented by the mamlukes. Rome in the 1500 hundreds would be represented by the Byzantines, etc. However, as stated before, I'm not against the Byzantines being implemented fully into the conquerors epansion, though I'm not against sweden being implemented either, hehe ;)

I'm out... don't shoot me

Jonte
 
oh yeah... the Swedish UU would be (as said earlier) the Carolins (Karoliner) to replace the riflemen with perhaps one point better in defence.

Jonte
 
However- sweden did not go on to conqure all of its immediate neighbors, nor sufferd a split in its territory essentially creating two nations, where before there was one, nor did sweeden go through the HUGE cultural upheaval that occured changing the Eastern Roman Empire into the Byzantine empire. I mean there is no denying it, a Roman citizen from the early to mid empire would be hard pressed to ANY similarities between Rome, and Byzantium, and more over would probabley call anyone whom claimed that they were the same nation many insults before getting to liar.

also, even though I tend to bombard any opponents into mere nothingness on my debate battle grounds, I dont mean any harm (unless of coarse, I feel that a person has insulted me personally, in a manner that I deem inconsolable, then I'm out for blood, but fortunetly that has never happend here:)), so dont take my sometimes overlly pompous, artillery arguments of death to heart, I just wanna prove a point, not make anyone feel bad
 
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