New wonders??

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

Just a general discussion on wonder's to build in the following turn's.Actual poll's will be hold later.
Keep in mind the science we persue.

We havez almost 4 caravan's ,and we can build these wonder's already:

 

[Apollo]

I think Marco Polo's would be good to have so we can start trading for techs and maps.

 

[Pggar]

I'm quoting duke from the thread Oh what a wonderful world!. Here are the reasons why we shouldn't build the Great Library.

I have noticed lots of people saying that Literacy would be a good tech to aim for so that we can build the Great Library. What!!! The Great Library may give you a few techs now and again, but it impairs your own tech research to such an extent that another civ may beat you to your target tech and gain a head start on that key wonder. Whether the tech be invention or monotheism, the Great Liibrary can only hinder your progress by giving you lots of techs that you didn't want or need and ensuring that the target tech takes ages to reach, when it would have taken far fewer turns without these unwelcome additions to your tech list. If I want to catch up on techs that I've missed then I find it is far more worthwhile to build Marco Polo's and trade these techs because the cost of having an extra tech is offset by your giving one away and your research doesn't suffer. With Marco's you are also free to gift techs to the purple civ (we're yellow fortunately) and further boost your speed of research. And you get world maps!!!
Well I've set out my stall here and await anyone foolhardy enough to argue in favour of the Great Library as a vital wonder....

Taking into account those points, Id say we should build Marco's Embassy unless there's someone to argue in favor of the GL.

 

[Apollo]

Yah, I tried to explain how trading for techs was better than getting them through the GL in my previous post, but couldn't make it work because I forgot the part about how giving away techs offsets the research penalty for receiving them. Thanks for digging that up Pggar!

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

First, let me say I'm categorically against trading maps, and the reason is simple.
The only way to get the AI to trade maps in emperor level is to get the other civs to worshipful, and the only way to do that is to gift techs or money, and to both, I say NO WAY!

Our tech edge is needed to maintain our advance, and we need those caravans for important wonders still to come, like Mic's (that will be soon), as well as Leo's and maybe Sun Tzu's.

We will have those techs before long, the early wonders aern't worth it.

I say no wonders till then, let the AI build them, and we can take them!

Also, we need to consider getting mathmatics, because we need atronomy for the Copernicus wonder for our science city.

 

[Ohwell]

Hmm, I have to agree with AoA, copernicus, Leo, and SunTzu come first. Also may
I add Mich Chapel??? And that Marco Polo thing, it is even on Price level, not just emperor.

 

[Cunobelin Of Hippo]

Hippo disapproves of the Great Library

Hippo approves of Marco Polos, with which we may demand tribute from those all over the world!

Hippo is Pro-Tech Trading with the Purple Civ as we are obviously number one and must take advantage of the bonuses we may reap through this tried and true strategy!

 

[duke o' york]

Hippo seems to be very keen on having verbs in bold type.

I don't think that we need another wonder at the moment. We should continue to build caravans and stockpile them though, but the wonders available to us at the moment aren't particularly wonderful really. Personally I wouldn't bother with Sun Tzu, but if we meet an aggressive civ early on then I might change my mind. We should concentrate on building the science wonders, the chapel and the workshop. We can always capture other wonders if you want them. Once we have a large enough tech lead then the modern age wonders will be ours for the taking. It's only the vital medieval wonders that we need to worry about.
I'd also like to know why our SSC is building a marketplace. Wouldn't a library be the better option? It is supposed to produce as many science beakers as possible remember.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Originally posted by duke o' york
I'd also like to know why our SSC is building a marketplace. Wouldn't a library be the better option? It is supposed to produce as many science beakers as possible remember.

I also would like to know about this.
Library is vital to the SSC, marketplace is not needed in that city.

Also, Hippo, avoid the purple civs, they are the most aggressive, and NEVER help them in any way (I'm sure many of us have had the annoying displeasure of being nuked by Ghandi, a favored AI tactic. )

The military stands firm, NO DEALING with the purples!
It would lead to disaster, but if the people desire it, we will defend our nation to the best of our ability.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

I'd also like to know why our SSC is building a marketplace. Wouldn't a library be the better option? It is supposed to produce as many science beakers as possible remember.

First of all the building of a marketplace can be changed through the appropiate poll's ,i only put it there temporarely.Again ,you guys decide so no need to critizise me here.

Besides ,Duckpond is not realy yet a ssc you know withought Cop. Observatory ,it's just a financialy strong city ,therefore i thought a marketplace would be the best choice at this point.
And as far as i know ,increasing the tax input of the ssc also increases the science output ,because the science volume is an percentage of the total tax volume + extra science benifit's in the city itself.

 

[duke o' york]

Don't take it personally that I'd prefer a library to a marketplace in Duckpond!

You are wrong about the tax rate though. A marketplace will only improve the amount of money that a city makes and a library will only improve the number of beakers it produces. If you have 30% tax and 70% science, the marketplace bonus will be added onto the amount of money that is made from 30% of the total trade of the city, and the library bonus will be added onto however many beakers are made from 70% of the total trade. So if you have 10 trade arrows produced by a city and the percentages as above, you'll get 3 gold a turn and 7 beakers a turn flat rate. I'm pretty certain that the marketplace and library give you 50% bonus on the cash and beakers, rounded down, so with this example you get 4 gold a turn with a marketplace and 10 beakers a turn with a library. This city is going to be the major producer of beakers for our civ and needs a library to boost this. If it can get the library bonus, and then the university and research centre on top of this, we will be able to charge more taxes or give more luxuries without affecting the speed of our discoveries. If we set up enough good trade routes then we should be looking to get 2 advances a turn in the modern age.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

Don't take it personally that I'd prefer a library to a marketplace in Duckpond!

Uh,why does everybody always think i would take such things personal?
I'm not a small child you know ,i won't cry because i dont always get to be right.So if you have another oppinion ,bring it ,as long as it is constructive i'll be glad that somebody has corrected me.

You are wrong about the tax rate though. A marketplace will only improve the amount of money that a city makes and a library will only improve the number of beakers it produces. If you have 30% tax and 70% science, the marketplace bonus will be added onto the amount of money that is made from 30% of the total trade of the city, and the library bonus will be added onto however many beakers are made from 70% of the total trade. So if you have 10 trade arrows produced by a city and the percentages as above, you'll get 3 gold a turn and 7 beakers a turn flat rate. I'm pretty certain that the marketplace and library give you 50% bonus on the cash and beakers, rounded down, so with this example you get 4 gold a turn with a marketplace and 10 beakers a turn with a library. This city is going to be the major producer of beakers for our civ and needs a library to boost this. If it can get the library bonus, and then the university and research centre on top of this, we will be able to charge more taxes or give more luxuries without affecting the speed of our discoveries. If we set up enough good trade routes then we should be looking to get 2 advances a turn in the modern age.

Alas ,thank you for pointing that out.I always thought that the science rate of a city was a percentage of the trade arrow's worth of that city. (plus cumulation's)
That corrected ,i agree on building a library.

 

[jomey]

Uh,why does everybody always think i would take such things personal?

Uuh.. Elections are just around the corner and dirty laundry is being hung up for all to see.. :slay: