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[Nightsong]

1. It has perfect logic to include 1 civilization with 2 leaders - to show and test the ability.

2. The Civilopedia clearly states some civilizations have multiple leaders.

3. Both Gorgo and Pericles are in civilopedia.

That's what majority of people here see and I'm pretty sure we're right.

1) There is absolutely no need for Firaxis to test and show the ability of multiple leaders. It was already a proven mechanic back in Civilization IV. Yes, that game came out 11 years but still... this is a twenty-five year old game franchise whose game iterations build off the previous ones so there is no real need to re-test an already used mechanic.

2) The wording implies it yes, but Firaxis hasn't come out and confirmed it. Until such time that they do, I will remain a skeptic of multiple leaders being a thing.

3) Again, while true that doesn't really mean anything. Ed said that the build was the most up to date in terms of development. They could still include DLC civilizations for the sole purpose of balance and testing and take them out of the vanilla launch version (only to be put back in as DLC). Considering the number of abilities tied to both leaders and their civilizations, Firaxis does need to test and make sure that everything is as balanced as possible. And with it known that there will be additional civilizations in the first four DLC, you can be sure they know which will be new and are testing them alongside the base game.

It makes no sense to include DLC in the civilopedia on release. Yes, it hasn't released but who would put future stuff in a couple of months before release then pull it out?

See Answer #3 above...

 

[stealth_nsk]

1) There is absolutely no need for Firaxis to test and show the ability of multiple leaders. It was already a proven mechanic back in Civilization IV. Yes, that game came out 11 years but still... this is a twenty-five year old game franchise whose game iterations build off the previous ones so there is no real need to re-test an already used mechanic.

Mods from Civ4 will not work on Civ6, not to mention DLC - Civ4 even didn't have them. It's completely new engine and to fully test (and demonstrate to modders) the multiple leaders APIs, interfaces and so on, some implementation was needed.

2) The wording implies it yes, but Firaxis hasn't come out and confirmed it. Until such time that they do, I will remain a skeptic of multiple leaders being a thing.

Yes, they'll confirm it once Greece will be revealed. Likely it will be the last civ to be shown. You have your right to be sceptic, surely.

3) Again, while true that doesn't really mean anything. Ed said that the build was the most up to date in terms of development. They could still include DLC civilizations for the sole purpose of balance and testing and take them out of the vanilla launch version (only to be put back in as DLC). Considering the number of abilities tied to both leaders and their civilizations, Firaxis does need to test and make sure that everything is as balanced as possible. And with it known that there will be additional civilizations in the first four DLC, you can be sure they know which will be new and are testing them alongside the base game.

DLC (except for zero-day Aztecs) don't need to be tested before launch. There's a lot of work to do at this point. With sane priorities they'll not do things which could be done after the launch. Probably some long-term work on those DLC is already started, like leader models, but not heavy playtest.

Also, if DLC content would be in, we'd likely see Jadwiga and/or Isabella too.

 

[RohirrimElf]

Five by my count. Some think that there will be two Greek civs. And some think that Poland will get a First Look before launch. So your mileage may vary.

Ok, thanx. that is about one civ every week till launch. Probably on tuesdays

 

[jsciv69]

If the theme of religion continues(and with tomorrow being 9/11 Islam will be at focus) then Arabia should be introduced very soon.

 

[Zaarin]

1. It has perfect logic to include 1 civilization with 2 leaders - to show and test the ability.

2. The Civilopedia clearly states some civilizations have multiple leaders.

3. Both Gorgo and Pericles are in civilopedia.

That's what majority of people here see and I'm pretty sure we're right.

This.

They confirmed extra leaders with the initial deluxe edition reveal info.

I can see where you are all coming from. Having Gorgo and Pericles but not Isabella/Poland is odd. Either Gorgo or Pericles could be Day 1 DLC.

I thought the leaderhead bingo leak was the deluxe content. Why would they have a pack with only 1 single leader? And people complained about Civ5 Babylon, I wouldn't buy that! That and the whole 18/19 thing which i personally find odd.

Who says it will just be one leader? I could easily see a "Catholic Queen" pack with Isabella and Jadwiga/Poland, for example. (Especially since Jadwiga is, if I'm not mistaken, a saint and Isabella is on the track for canonization.) Also, here's the problem with Greece: if Gorgo is the only leader at release, people are going to have a fit; conversely, if they try to sell Gorgo as DLC, I highly doubt she'd sell well. It simply makes no sense either way to try to sell just Gorgo, either in the base game or separately.

 

[m15a]

Gorgo could also be free DLC. There are a lot of possibilities.

 

[Paramecium]

Or it might be even possible that the Greek UA is to have the LUA of two leaders. A prime one and a second one, would just be odd against the AI ...

Just saying it, more likely it is for showing how multiple leader will work to get the fans fixed on or Gorgo (yeah, I think Pericles is the one to be the first Greek) isnt just in the launch version...

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Ebrim]

I still think that Greece's two leaders will switch depending on your government type. If you're a classical republic you have Pericles and if you're more war-based your leader switches to Gorgo. This would give more synergy and also tie-in well with VI bringing back government.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

I still think that Greece's two leaders will switch depending on your government type. If you're a classical republic you have Pericles and if you're more war-based your leader switches to Gorgo. This would give more synergy and also tie-in well with VI bringing back government.

And what happens to Spain then when Isabella is added?

 

[Gintoki89]

Who says it will just be one leader? I could easily see a "Catholic Queen" pack with Isabella and Jadwiga/Poland, for example. (Especially since Jadwiga is, if I'm not mistaken, a saint and Isabella is on the track for canonization.) Also, here's the problem with Greece: if Gorgo is the only leader at release, people are going to have a fit; conversely, if they try to sell Gorgo as DLC, I highly doubt she'd sell well. It simply makes no sense either way to try to sell just Gorgo, either in the base game or separately.

I agree about the point about one leader not being likely - in fact I think, at least in the first few DLCs we'll actually see some decent sized DLC packs. In Civ V, DLC Civs + scenarios were $5 each. With the deluxe edition, it's supposed to be discounted from buying the first 4 DLCs separately. So I think, based on past info which is all we can go off of, if a $20 increase is gonna be a discount, there might be at least a couple multi-civ packs, or at least a new civ and one or more new leaders.

 

[SMcM]

This.


Who says it will just be one leader? I could easily see a "Catholic Queen" pack with Isabella and Jadwiga/Poland, for example. (Especially since Jadwiga is, if I'm not mistaken, a saint and Isabella is on the track for canonization.) Also, here's the problem with Greece: if Gorgo is the only leader at release, people are going to have a fit; conversely, if they try to sell Gorgo as DLC, I highly doubt she'd sell well. It simply makes no sense either way to try to sell just Gorgo, either in the base game or separately.

As you point out, she would probably not sell as DLC when there is already another Greek leader in the game. I think they'll include her in the base game so that people will go out and buy Pericles. But then I thought that would be the case for Phillip II as well and was wrong.

 

[Nightsong]

This.

Who says it will just be one leader? I could easily see a "Catholic Queen" pack with Isabella and Jadwiga/Poland, for example. (Especially since Jadwiga is, if I'm not mistaken, a saint and Isabella is on the track for canonization.) Also, here's the problem with Greece: if Gorgo is the only leader at release, people are going to have a fit; conversely, if they try to sell Gorgo as DLC, I highly doubt she'd sell well. It simply makes no sense either way to try to sell just Gorgo, either in the base game or separately.

Ya know... your comment made me go look up some of the more famous Catholic Queens and I stumbled upon the fact that the image on the leader bingo board we all assume is Isabella of Portugal also shows up for Elizabeth of Aragon, a Saint of Portugal and also one of the countries Queens.

Anyways, I wouldn't really mind a Catholic Queen DLC, it would show off a very different side for some countries. Just some names besides Jadwiga of Poland, there is Helena, Empress and Saint of Rome, Adelaide, Holy Roman Empress and the above mentioned Elizabeth of Aragon.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Gorgo could also be free DLC. There are a lot of possibilities.

Why? If it's Free DLC released with the game, it's just part of the game. If it's Free DLC released later, it makes no sense to test in in-game now.

 

[Xen]

My thought: Next will be Arabia to finish off the religious civ, then will come Russia/Sumeria/Greece in some order for the science civs, and last will come Rome, the one civ to rule them all and in the glory of Jupiters light bind them.

 

[spfun]

Why? If it's Free DLC released with the game, it's just part of the game. If it's Free DLC released later, it makes no sense to test in in-game now.

If shes DLC then shes DLC, just like the Aztecs. Free or paid, releasing day1 or later. They can be 'turned off' in the DLC section of the game if its anything like Civ 5 for example.

They could even do a first look for secondary leaders or Poland before release to show off some of the deluxe edition content that could be available day 1.

 

[Slayan]

After reading all the posts I'm just going to wait till the first look videos all come out to see how this all shakes out

 

[SJSerio]

If shes DLC then shes DLC, just like the Aztecs. Free or paid, releasing day1 or later. They can be 'turned off' in the DLC section of the game if its anything like Civ 5 for example.

They could even do a first look for secondary leaders or Poland before release to show off some of the deluxe edition content that could be available day 1.

After reading all the posts I'm just going to wait till the first look videos all come out to see how this all shakes out

Exactly... I mean, at this point, do the arguments about what civs or leaders are included really matter?? What is the point? The fact is, what they have in the game is what they have in the game. There is no point in arguing about it now. The same thing with what they include as DLC.

I mean, with all of what is going on in this world, is it really worth blowing a gasket about? I say, save all of the aggression and agitation until when the game comes out.

Don't make me break out the rainbows and bunnies... Lol.

But, seriously, can't we all just get along??? [emoji12]

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[Zaarin]

They could even do a first look for secondary leaders or Poland before release to show off some of the deluxe edition content that could be available day 1.

From the Steam page (emphasis mine): "access to four post-launch DLC packs." It won't be day one.

 

[spfun]

Week 1 then!

 

[Lordkhan II.]

Now it is a tie between arabia and rome.

i have to say i am really curious to see both. but i am a religion player so i vote for arabia