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Discussion in 'Civ2 - Game of Democracy II' started by Zwelgje, Feb 15, 2003.

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  1. Zwelgje

    Zwelgje Deity

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    1806
    Made recommended changes.
    Sold 7 granaries: 420 gold.
    Tax/Sci/Lux 50/20/30 giving discoveries in 4 and income of 1466.

    1808
    R dragoons attack Granada and die, musketeers are vet.

    Col engineers, starts freight. WW temple, starts engineers. Pampl harbor, starts temple. Erksson spy, starts harbor. FT marketplace, starts sewer. Routskilde salt, starts sewer. Granada spy, starts marketplace. Antioch bank, starts stock exch. Vall temple, starts spy. Barc spy, starts harbor. BFL wine, starts freight. GG gems, starts freight. Calc spy, starts temple. Civvium supermarket, starts MT. Bang spy, starts temple. Madras spy, starts temple. Elys MT, starts superhighways. Kaupang silk, starts sewer. Dellham beads, starts freight. RC MT, starts Cure for Cancer.

    WLTP celebrated in Nautilus, Indian Watcher, Frozen Toe, Antioch, LC, MD, TF, Delhi
    WLTP cancelled in Saragossa

    NUF now has 44 million citizens.

    Spy in Russia uncovers one more city and establishes embassy. Russians are in republic and have 2000 gold. They also have 13 cities and now we can see 13 R cities so we know where they are! ;)
    P cannon killed west of Tarsus.
    G settlers spotted near the spot for canal city! They will desert for 348 gold.
    Nearby R dragoons bribed for 380 gold.
    P city of Sidon discovered a few tiles south of canal city spot.

    1810
    Sneak attack by Greek forces! Their cannon kills dragoons and spy. :mad:
    Spy in Russia gets killed.

    Trier temple, starts engr. Mirkwood silk, starts freight. VNM oil, starts freight. LM silk, starts aqua. Ren factory, starts MT. Sev temple, starts sewer. Bombay spy. starts temple. RC Cure for Cancer, starts superhighways. Delhi temple, starts bank. Madrid aqua, starts MP


    WLTP celebrated in Karachi, Madrid

    NUF discovers robotics, starts research on Nuclear Fission, didn’t want to abandon Colossus yet...

    NUF now has 47 million citizens.

    Cavalry kills P cannon west of Tarsus.

    1812
    Delft engr, starts temple, Naut MP, starts freight, IW MP, starts freight, Melamp oil, starts harbor, LC bank starts MT, Salamanca oil, starts freight, Hladir silk, starts MP, MD hides, starts

    WLTP celebrated in Russian Guard, Delft, Trier, CC, Frontierland, WW, Billund, Troll, Burgos, Addict, Mirk, VNM, Birka, Leon, Salzburg, Capri, Vigo, MM, Eriks, Dur S, Cold Fr, Cymru, Bactra, Granada, Lindholm, Penguin, Tarsus, Beast, Ebo, LN, Hladir

    WLTP cancelled in Calc.

    Pollution near Ren

    NUF now has 48 million citizens

    The attack begins:
    Destroyer kills riflemen in Moscow and the flag falls! :D
    Transports go to Moscow, cavalry takes Moscow and government flees to Smolensk.
    213 gold plundered.
    Partisans arise anyway (no democracy, guerilla warfare etc.!)
    R ask to meet, refused but forced to sign a CF anyway. I can’t accept that, revolution is in the air...
    Tblisi revolts for 235 gold, 25 gold plundered.
    Russian government overthrown.
    Smolensk revolts for 1247 gold, 90 gold plundered
    Riga revolts for 753 gold, 50 gold plundered
    Vladivostok revolts for 834 gold, 53 gold plundered
    Odessa revolts for 646 gold, 49 gold plundered
    Novgorod is in disorder and will revolt for 312 gold, 44 gold plundered
    Krasnoyarsk will revolt for 665 gold, 36 gold plundered
    Yakutsk will revolt for 648 gold, 33 gold plundered
    Greek settlers blocking the road to Sverdlovsk killed by cavalry
    Sverdlovsk will revolt for 540 gold, 26 gold plundered
    Minsk will revolt for 530 gold, 24 gold plundered and we have the United Nations now.
    St Petersburg will revolt for 560 gold, 31 gold plundered
    Kiev will revolt for 272 gold, 14 gold plundered.

    Russian civilization destroyed!!!

    G cannon killed south of Krasnoyarsk
    Dragoons near Zyx desert for 102 gold each.
    P caravan killed east of Tarsus.

    All cities have black and red dudes, so rearranged workers to avoid riots.

    1814
    P develop chemistry.

    Skara gems, starts freight. Hipsheim coal, starts freight. The Udal silk, starts freight.

    Back into democracy, tax/sci/lux = 50/20/30 with.discoveries in 4 and 1662 gold per turn.

    NUF now has 52 million citizens. :D

    Elvii fired and put to work in the mines and fields again.

    Dragoons kill G dragoons east of Sparta.
    We have an embassy with the Greeks? Anyway, we have... So I check and they’ve only got 3 cities which we all can see.
    Zyx will revolt for 44 gold. Dragoons are present so the transport leaves with the 2 bribed dragoons for Persia.

    Spend 150 gold on rushing superhighways in RC.
    Naervodia founded north of Nautilus.
    P explorer killed between Minsk and Smolensk.

    1816
    Frontierland engineers, starts freight. Leon spy, starts temple. Capri oil, starts MP. Bilbao engineers, starts temple. FA coal, starts freight. Calcutta temple, starts freight. Mordh aqua, starts freight. Trond oil, starts bank.

    WLTP all over the place! :)

    P dragoons spotted west of Tarsus, attack but senate meets with the Persians and signs CF...
    Troops are gathering to start the strike on Athens.
    Ships are heading for Persia, using Canal City. :D

    1818
    G dragoons attack our dragoons near Sparta and win. :(

    Billund temple, starts freight. BB oil, starts freight. Saragossa spy, starts temple. Bangalore temple, starts freight. Reneaux MT, starts mfg plant. TF gems, starts freight.

    NUF now has 55 million citizens.

    Superhighways in RC rushed for 156 gold.
    Trondheim gold arrives in Persepolis 174 gold
    RC dye arrives in Persepolis 228 gold
    RC silk arrives in Persepolis 228 gold
    Sewer in Rouskilde rushed for 150 gold

    1820
    NUF discovers nuclear fission and starts with recycling.

    Nemo Bay silver, starts freight. Routskilde sewer, starts bank. Valladolid spy, starts freight.BFL wine, starts freight. RC superhighways, starts SETI. YD armor, starts MP. Lahore RM, starts temple.Kerrison RM, starts engineers.

    WLTP cancelled all over the world. :(

    NUF now has 57 million citizens.

    Salamanca oil arrives at LC 518 gold.
    Artillery kills G cannon near Sparta and becomes vet.
    Trondheim oil arrives at Civvium 646 gold.

    1822
    Prague gems, starts sewer. Beast Flats oil, starts MP. Karachi spy, starts temple. Neuma MT, starts stock exch. GG gold, starts freight. CJ engineers, starts sewer. Madras temple, starts sewer. RC SETI, starts freight. Russian Guard RM, starts engineers. CC RM, starts MP.

    NUF now has 58 million citizens.

    CJ silk arrives at Delhi 164 gold.
    RC gems arrives at Lahore 732 gold
    RC silk arrives at Delhi 566 gold

    Winds of Leo founded on the island of Naervodia

    1824
    NUF discovers Recycling starts nuclear power.

    Vigo spy, starts temple. MM silver, starts freight. Cymru silk, starts MP. Ebo oil, starts MP. Calcutta cloth, starts bank. Viborg silver, starts MP.

    Pollution near Civvium.

    NUF now has 59 million citizens.

    RC oil arrives at Neuma 229 gold.
    Hladir silk arrives at RC 714 gold

    1826
    VNM builds wine, starts MP. Salzburg engineers, starts MP. Tarsus temple, starts freight. FA coal, starts freight. Smolensk temple, starts bank. Dellham spice, starts freight. Madrid MP, starts bank. Aarhus armor, starts MP.

    NUF discovers nuclear power, starts guerilla warfare.

    Pollution near Delhi.

    RC gems arrive at Lahore 732 gold.
    3 cavalry attack Athens, 2 die, the third wins but is hurt, spy investigates the city and there are 2 RM left (both severely hurt) and a dragoon in production. Industrial sabotage is tried but prevented.
    PRB of 2 armors in Novgorod and Minsk, also some useless canons disbanded into Minsk armor.

    LC silk arrives at Delhi 216 gold.
    2 x RC coal arrives at Arbela 2 x 847 gold
    RC silver arrives in Pasargadea 1132 gold
     
  2. funxus

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    Wonderful, our population increased with almost 50%:goodjob:
    And russians are gone. I wonder how you could bribe Smolensk though, if the governement fled there after you captured Moscow:confused:
    8 cities to go then, and none is larger than 13.:)
     
  3. TimTheEnchanter

    TimTheEnchanter I...am...an Enchanter!

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    This was the first thing I thought as well. Maybe if you incite the city on the same turn they don't have time to build the capital there as the palace is to be built next turn. (I don't suppose Smolensk was building a palace when you captured it?) I'm also very surprised they only had one rifleman guarding their capital! One destroyer, huh? I guess my plan was a bit overboard!

    Sounds like a splendid job! :goodjob:
     
  4. Duke of Marlbrough

    Duke of Marlbrough The Quiet Moderator Retired Moderator

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    I'm assuming he attacked it, because the palace moves instantly and thus the city could not have been bribed.

    But, after looking at the city more, there are four units supported by Smolensk, so it wasn't attacked....?

    How did we take Smolensk? :confused:
     
  5. naervod

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    I am guessing that he attacked Smolensk with ground troops also.

    Wohoo! We are finally on the brink of conquering the world! I will try and draw up a plan detailing the fall of Greece and Persia later tonight. If i don't get it done, I would like TimTheEnchanter or my deputy, CivGeneral to help me out. on this.
     
  6. Octavian X

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    I would have commented sooner, but I got stuck on Regia Civitias' new confounded highways...

    To the Smolensk issue, perhaps the palace didn't move, and that was a mistake. They could have spent enough gold in the timeframe. Unless they had spent SOME monet in that time, I don't see how why the palace didn't move a second time...

    :confused:
     
  7. Jayne

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    Excellent moves as always!!!!!!! How long do we think it will be before the last two Civs fall? Could it be as early as next week?
     
  8. funxus

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    Both the human player and the AI gets the option to move the capital if they have the money, but no one is forced to move the capital even if they have the money. So if they only have a little more than 1000g, they usually don't move the capital in my experience. They probably think they have a better use for the money :confused:
    Since we have the money to pay for the cities, that's good for us:)
     
  9. Zwelgje

    Zwelgje Deity

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    I could bribe Smolensk, they didn't move the palace.
    Once I captured their capitol a screen popped up their government had fled to another city. The same happened when I captured Delhi BTW...

    I don't know if I'll be able to finish next week. I've rushed 2 armors to conquer Athens and then bribe the other 2 cities and ships are on their way to take Persia. I'll probably have to go through revolution again to attack the Persians though...
    When we're in democracy again and a CF is signed I'm thinking of subverting the Persian cities that are left. By doing that we'll still be in democracy when we end the game and thus we'll get a higher score than when we would be in anarchy right?
     
  10. Duke of Marlbrough

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    When the game says that the government has fled, it means that a new palace was built.

    'Transports go to Moscow, cavalry takes Moscow and government flees to Smolensk.'

    This line would mean that the new palace was built in Smolensk, so it would not be able to have been bribed as it was their capital.
     
  11. GaryNemo

    GaryNemo Settler from None

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    1826AD Status of the NUF Democracy - 18599 gold 50,30,Sci=20%

    Astounding aggression and growth, My President! :goodjob: We have 66 Spies but only 2 in production. Only Manhatten in the menu, need it? I say no.

    44.Engineers and only 5 in production, perhaps ok at the end (plus 6 ancient Settlers). 16.Freight and 29 in production - why so many? How about Armor, Howitzers and Spies?

    1806 AD Status: 59,980,000 people in 115 !!! cities.   18599.gold   27.Scientist 1.Taxman 42.Elvis, No.Disorder, good celebrations. @ 50,30, Sci=20%
    F5 $1869-221, Sci 1240 in 3 turns. F11 Mfg=868, Family Size=3.2   NUF is absorbing our enemies, again #1 in Population, Manufacturing, and Land.Area, now #2 in Productivity and #3 in Family Size.
    Elysium FAQ: Size=30, 17 Happy +3.Content +10.Scientist
      Trade 123, Tax 152 + Lux 92 + Beakers 440 No skulls

    1806 AD Status: 43,670,000 people in 97 !!! cities.   5651.gold   16.Scientist 2.Taxmen 16.Elvis, No.Disorder, some celebrations. @ 20,30, Sci=50%
    F5 $631 -139, Sci 1555 in 2? turns. F11 Mfg=699, Family Size=3.7   NUF is vanquishing our enemies, again #1 in Population, Manufacturing, and Land.Area, now #2 in Productivity, still #4 in Family Size.
    Elysium 1806: Size=29, 15 Happy +5.Content +9.Scientist
      Trade 120, Tax 60 + Lux 90 + Beakers 522 8 skulls

    Elysium 1784: Size=25, 14 Happy +6.Content +5.Scientist
      Trade 120, Tax 48 + Lux 72 + Beakers 450
    Elysium 1754: Size=22, 13 Happy +6.Content +Scientist +2.Elvii
      Trade 117, Tax 46 + Lux 102 + Beakers 300
    Elysium 1660: Size=18, 11 Happy +6.Content +Scientist
      Trade 81 - Corruption 7, Tax 25 + Lux 36 + Beakers 258
    1510 AD Status: 7,770,000 people in 43 cities.   1541.gold   5.Scientist 5.Elvis, good celebrations. @ 20,30,50%
    F5 $113 -46, Sci 412 in 4 turns. F11 Mfg=254, Family Size=3.8
    Elysium 1400: Size=9, grows in 8, 7 Happy +1.Content +Scientist
      Trade 49 - Corruption 4, Tax 15 + Lux 22 + Beakers 162

    1000 AD Status: 2,268,000 people, in 34 cities. 379 gold, For comparison at 20,20,60% 1.Scientist 1.Elvis, Many.Celebrations
    F5 $59 -18, Sci 224 in 5.turns. F11 Mfg=158, Family Size=5.2
    940AD Formed Republic Government: 1750,000 pop in 34 cities.

    Skulls: Reneaux=8 Civvium=6 Legendary=3 Marl.Downs=1

    Favored Cities:
    REGIA CIVITAS=31 Max: Frt IPRB $19 in 2, Capitalization? Manhatten?
    Elysium=30: All.Scientists, no skulls, PRB $66 Highway in 3
      Engr to clear forest to grow.
    Civvium=26: RB $124 Mass Transit   6 skulls
    Marl Downs=21: serf from YD to grow, sw to Mass.Transit RB $212
      York Downs: serf to ocean, RB market $142, Harbor.
    Neuma=20: Elvis, Stock 28/160 in 11? Irrg forest to grow
    Reneaux=19: 8 skulls, what to elim pollution skulls? Mfg.Plant? Recycle?
    Legendary=21: 3 skulls, RB Mass $166, then Supermarket & Engrs?
    Routskilde=15: swamp Elvis to grow, PRB $94 Bank in 2, Harbor
    Kaupang=11: 2 serfs to plains ocean to grow, PRB $80 Sewer in 3.

    TFalls 11: Oil Frt in 2? The Frt Weapons or Sewer?
    Castle Jayne=11: Elvis to grow, then RB Sewer $222
    Uppsala=12: Favor Uppsala (Can't harbor)? Engr Road!
    Lindow Moss Peat=8: Elvis to ocean, RB Aquaduct $90 to grow...
    Frozen Toe=12: sw to Harbor RB $100, then Sewer?
    Antioch=21: Irrg to grow

    Dehli=18: Elvis to grow, ... Bank? Weapons?
    Madras=12: RB $216 Sewer to grow else Food loss in 1, Roads!
    Karachi=12: RB Temple $64, Elvis, quick Sewer to grow
    Madrid=11: RB Sewer to grow? or Weapons?
    Nautilus=8: sw Frt to Aquaduct and RB to grow?

    Moscow=9: Temple in 1, then Harbor to grow
    Odessa: RB $40 Temple, the hurry the Aquaduct & Harbor.
      but Barracks: produce weapons here?
    Any others?

    Researching Guerilla (due in 1 turn), 73 known: Alphabet Amphibious Astronomy Atomic Automobile Banking Bridge Bronze CBurial Chemistry Chivalry CodeLaws Combustion Communism Computers Conscription Construction Corporation Currency Democracy Economics Electricity Electronics Engineering Espionage Explosives Feudalism GENETIC GunPowder HBR Industrialization Invention Iron Leadership Literacy Machine.Tools Magnetism Map.Making Masonry Mass.Production Math Medicine Metallurgy Miniaturization Mobile.Warfare/ARMOR Monarchy Monotheism Mysticism Navigation Nuclear.Fission Nuclear.Power Philosophy Physics Polytheism Pottery RAILROAD Recycling Refining Refrigeration Republic Robotics Sanitation Seafaring Steam.Engine Steel Tactics Theology Gravity Trade University WarrCode Wheel and Writing.

    Although we have "Discoveries in 3 Turns", our rate appears higher than that. Perhaps not much more is necessary. We discovered Nuclear.Power Nuclear.Fission Recycling Robotics in the past 10 turns.

    -GaryNemo, WatchDog of Productivity.
     
  12. Leowind

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    Excellent execution in Russia, but I have to ask why we did not start building Howitzers as soon as Robotics was discovered?:confused: I'm not sure I would even bother with armor at this point, unless we might need a little defense getting the howies in position.

    Build Howitzers!!
     
  13. funxus

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    Vet Armors are pretty good too, the extra movement makes them worth building. So they maybe should be the choice for the greeks and Sidon (unless we bribe it), and use howitzers in Persia?
     
  14. Leowind

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    Even vet armor can have troubles with city walls. Build enough Howies to take out every city in one turn, with enough engineers to build necessry rails in one turn, and a couple armor to clear rails of partisans. I haven't seen a screenie in awhile, so I don't have a good handle on where the Greeks are. If they are too spread to effectively take them out in one turn, then I would suggest some armor to accompany the Howies for protection and to take care of the partisans.
     
  15. Octavian X

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    Actually, Leowind, there are only three Greek cities, and hardly any infrastructure connecting them. There aren't even roads connecting all three...
     
  16. Jayne

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    .....but iirc, they are all within a few squares of each other, and near the coast. There is a link to an older screenie in the land registry which will give you some idea.
     
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    Sorry, a quick perusal of the Land Registry thread didn't reveal any Greek cities. Perhaps I just missed it. If they are not connected even by roads, then perhaps armor is our best choice, as long as they are vets. Do the Greek cities have Walls? The alternative is Howies and enough Engineers to build a RR, unless there is lots of rough terrain.
     
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    Yes there is: here!

    It's 2 squares up from the south pole. You can only see Athens, but the other 2 are close by. It gives you an idea anyway.
     
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    Okay, got it now :blush: It's really out of the way, isn't it?
     
  20. Zwelgje

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    Here's a screenie. The greeks are pathetic, we still lost 2 cavalry to them though...
     
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