MonkE
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Since dips do not cost support, I presume the reason for rehoming them is just to keep track of them more easily (each homed in a different city).
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Great going, folks! I'm more or less in Ainwood's boat, as
this month looks to mostly be a washout...
this month looks to mostly be a washout...
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We should have the diplomat supported by the city that is the safest, i.e. most unlikely to be captured or destroyed by enemies. We lost OP, and losing another city is not outruled
GaryNemo
Settler from None
Dip home cities? Well, yes, I think safety of home city is a good point, and I also think we should resolve to have a Daring Dip somewhere, homed to Monks Towne 
and Castle Jayne
I have been studying our Settlers ... 15 of them:
None Settler, near RC, irrigating a GLS, GrassLand Shield.
We also want to Irrigate the Phoenix Pheasant into Buffalo.
Civvium, if it built a Settler, could irrigate quite a bit.
I am worried about Beast Flats. Its Food Box is empty.
LN Settler, irrigating NW of LN, may be better to Clear.Orders
Move W to GG Plains, and irrigate there, so GG can grow?
CJ Settler, irrigating Grassland neaw Elysium, may be better to Clear.Orders
Move NW to Elysium GLS to irrigate there, then Road?
Elysium grows in 4 turns, exciting!
Neuma Settler, irrigating GLS near CJ, seems good to me.
Ebor Settler, in Boreum Ferry, heading to found Wheat South w Dip,
Legion rehomed in Mord to follow ASAP
Octavia Settler, irrigating GLS near Octavia, seems good to me,
because both Castle Jayne and Octavia are building more settlers.
Khorsabad, move N and found city, then RB the Disband Settler.
Banana Bay Settler, on river near Ren, needs a mission. Banana Bay is too small, choked supporting two settlers, needs to grow. Let's found Lone Bison, on its own teeny island.
Dellham Settler, irrigating River Plains S of Dellham, seems a good idea?
Note the Dell Archer is in Cymru Straits. Let's sail with the RC Silk, but land separately. Perhaps the NE Mountain? Or the Hill NW of chosen Plains City Site?
Ren TFalls Settler Team, heading to found Hill Mine. This is a dangerous spot, it seems best to Road out to the site before founding the city. It takes 10 turns to Mine a Hill. Therefore, the Ren Settler needs to arrive at the site, Hill NE of Fish, about 2-6 turns before the TFalls Settler. The TFalls Settler will arrive second and build the city after mining has begun. Ren Settler could move NW and Road the desert first.
Banana Bay Settler, Irrigating SW of BB. Seems ok, but will not be used for 10 turns, maybe more. Another idea to to Clear.Orders, S S charge, SW Irrigate Plains (N of FA), since FA will grow in 6 turns and then lock - it needs a irrigation, and will remain happy, is ready.
Viborg Settler, SW SW charge, SW connect road on Plains.
Lindow Moss Settler, Road NW of LM. Then go found V3.
Lindow Moss could therefore build another Settler.
If we have 15 Settlers, I missed one somewhere.
Mord Settler in 1 ... then what shall the settler do? Sail?
Monks Towne Settler in 2, SE Irrigate then Road Bridge.
and Castle Jayne I have been studying our Settlers ... 15 of them:
None Settler, near RC, irrigating a GLS, GrassLand Shield.
We also want to Irrigate the Phoenix Pheasant into Buffalo.
Civvium, if it built a Settler, could irrigate quite a bit.
I am worried about Beast Flats. Its Food Box is empty.
LN Settler, irrigating NW of LN, may be better to Clear.Orders
Move W to GG Plains, and irrigate there, so GG can grow?
CJ Settler, irrigating Grassland neaw Elysium, may be better to Clear.Orders
Move NW to Elysium GLS to irrigate there, then Road?
Elysium grows in 4 turns, exciting!
Neuma Settler, irrigating GLS near CJ, seems good to me.
Ebor Settler, in Boreum Ferry, heading to found Wheat South w Dip,
Legion rehomed in Mord to follow ASAP
Octavia Settler, irrigating GLS near Octavia, seems good to me,
because both Castle Jayne and Octavia are building more settlers.
Khorsabad, move N and found city, then RB the Disband Settler.
Banana Bay Settler, on river near Ren, needs a mission. Banana Bay is too small, choked supporting two settlers, needs to grow. Let's found Lone Bison, on its own teeny island.
Dellham Settler, irrigating River Plains S of Dellham, seems a good idea?
Note the Dell Archer is in Cymru Straits. Let's sail with the RC Silk, but land separately. Perhaps the NE Mountain? Or the Hill NW of chosen Plains City Site?
Ren TFalls Settler Team, heading to found Hill Mine. This is a dangerous spot, it seems best to Road out to the site before founding the city. It takes 10 turns to Mine a Hill. Therefore, the Ren Settler needs to arrive at the site, Hill NE of Fish, about 2-6 turns before the TFalls Settler. The TFalls Settler will arrive second and build the city after mining has begun. Ren Settler could move NW and Road the desert first.
Banana Bay Settler, Irrigating SW of BB. Seems ok, but will not be used for 10 turns, maybe more. Another idea to to Clear.Orders, S S charge, SW Irrigate Plains (N of FA), since FA will grow in 6 turns and then lock - it needs a irrigation, and will remain happy, is ready.
Viborg Settler, SW SW charge, SW connect road on Plains.
Lindow Moss Settler, Road NW of LM. Then go found V3.
Lindow Moss could therefore build another Settler.
If we have 15 Settlers, I missed one somewhere.
Mord Settler in 1 ... then what shall the settler do? Sail?
Monks Towne Settler in 2, SE Irrigate then Road Bridge.
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I'll have a look at that Jayne, maybe tonight, otherwise tomorrow morning.
There are a couple of things to keep in mind when switching to republic, not only does every unit cost 1 shield but also every settler costs 2 food so I'll have a close look at that!
There are a couple of things to keep in mind when switching to republic, not only does every unit cost 1 shield but also every settler costs 2 food so I'll have a close look at that!
GaryNemo
Settler from None
Isaac is winning the poll, also Caravan Deliveries from RC and Elysium to India.
Max Science for Caravan Deliveries: applies if the commodity is demanded, otherwise turn around and save the Caravan. Put all available serfs to Max Trade work, scientist into ocean, road serfs to ocean, keep Silk Gems and Wine, anything with more arrows than ocean. Then Deliver the Caravan and put the serfs imediately back to normal (Scientist, Roads etc).
Aonia Proposal for 860AD
Mostly all Caravans, LN Settler, Settler recommendations.
REGIA CIVITAS: Switch to Salt? Caravan 0/50 in 6, IPRB=10 $4.
None Settler near RC, irrigating a GLS, GrassLand Shield.
We also want to Irrigate the Phoenix Pheasant into Buffalo.
Elysium: PRB=100 (Palace) $28, so University in 10 turns
CJ Settler: ClearOrders, move NW to Irrigate & Road GLS
Elysium grows in 4 turns, new serf into ocean or good road.
Civvium: hire Elvis to freeze growth and Celebrate.
Caravan: 7/40 in 8? OR Settler w IPRB?
Silver Caravan near TFalls, deliver to RC?
TFalls: Ocean serf to Forest, Caravan 0/50 in 8, IPRB=20 $4.
Little Nemo: Settler 0/40 in 13 (IPRB=10 $2)
LN Settler irrigating NW of LN: may be better to Clear.Orders then
Move W to GG Plains, and irrigate there, so GG can grow?
Nemo Bay: serf to ocean, grows in 1, Silver Caravan 42/50 in 2,
then Knight? Crusader?, serf to Forest.
Bedfont Lakes: Wine Caravan 45/50 in 1, then Caravan?
Wine is demanded by Lahore, but lets save it for a Wonder.
Gabba Gabba: Silk Caravan 15/50 in 7, could IPRB $11...
Beast Flats: Silk Caravan 43/50 in 1, start another Caravan.
Will Food Box=0 be a Crisis as we Revolt?
Civ Caravel, drop Warrior and dash west to Beast Flats.
Penguin Flats: Settler 17/40 in 8 ok
Khorsabad: Settler 31/40, BUY when North City is built in 1!
Khors.South: Grows in 3 to Whale, Archer 4/30 in 8
Comments?
Max Science for Caravan Deliveries: applies if the commodity is demanded, otherwise turn around and save the Caravan. Put all available serfs to Max Trade work, scientist into ocean, road serfs to ocean, keep Silk Gems and Wine, anything with more arrows than ocean. Then Deliver the Caravan and put the serfs imediately back to normal (Scientist, Roads etc).
Aonia Proposal for 860AD
Mostly all Caravans, LN Settler, Settler recommendations.
REGIA CIVITAS: Switch to Salt? Caravan 0/50 in 6, IPRB=10 $4.
None Settler near RC, irrigating a GLS, GrassLand Shield.
We also want to Irrigate the Phoenix Pheasant into Buffalo.
Elysium: PRB=100 (Palace) $28, so University in 10 turns
CJ Settler: ClearOrders, move NW to Irrigate & Road GLS
Elysium grows in 4 turns, new serf into ocean or good road.
Civvium: hire Elvis to freeze growth and Celebrate.
Caravan: 7/40 in 8? OR Settler w IPRB?
Silver Caravan near TFalls, deliver to RC?
TFalls: Ocean serf to Forest, Caravan 0/50 in 8, IPRB=20 $4.
Little Nemo: Settler 0/40 in 13 (IPRB=10 $2)
LN Settler irrigating NW of LN: may be better to Clear.Orders then
Move W to GG Plains, and irrigate there, so GG can grow?
Nemo Bay: serf to ocean, grows in 1, Silver Caravan 42/50 in 2,
then Knight? Crusader?, serf to Forest.
Bedfont Lakes: Wine Caravan 45/50 in 1, then Caravan?
Wine is demanded by Lahore, but lets save it for a Wonder.
Gabba Gabba: Silk Caravan 15/50 in 7, could IPRB $11...
Beast Flats: Silk Caravan 43/50 in 1, start another Caravan.
Will Food Box=0 be a Crisis as we Revolt?
Civ Caravel, drop Warrior and dash west to Beast Flats.
Penguin Flats: Settler 17/40 in 8 ok
Khorsabad: Settler 31/40, BUY when North City is built in 1!
Khors.South: Grows in 3 to Whale, Archer 4/30 in 8
Comments?
Octavian X
is not a pipe.
As a note, I got a new sound card (my old one was four years old). Civ2 works fine, and plan to make my first move tomorrow evening, unless there are any objections.
GaryNemo
Settler from None
I wish I had more time for this now. I looked at Civ1's list of rehoming, and I'm not sure about all of them. Why rehome the LN Phx in RC? It's surely a good idea to rehome the LN Warrior in Khors South. There is no unhappiness when a unit is in another city, so it's not always necessary to rehome to current location.
I have a post above, Support Plans for Republic. I will prepare a composite Immediate change & build queue now.
I have a post above, Support Plans for Republic. I will prepare a composite Immediate change & build queue now.
GaryNemo
Settler from None
Pearl Harbor Day - December 7, 860AD
Generally, we are stockpiling Caravans for Isaac (then Magellan), Need Science Gravity, building Caravans and Knights, Irrigating, and switching to Republic in 920AD. Temples: Viborg, Routskilde, definitely! (A)
I had posted specific plans for Download Serf Changes, Republic Support, Settlers, Aonia, Boreum, and Chryshe. Please refer to mine and others' plans as you play.
Key: (A) means was Approved by poll, or (N) Nemo
Please disregard many of the Civ1 Rehoming changes.
One good one is the LN Warrior, rehome in Khors South.
Another is the Neuma Warrior in Eboracum, listed below.
Immediate changes, before End of Turn, etc
REGIA CIVITAS: Switch to Salt? Caravan 0/50 in 6, (N)
Later, IPRB=10 $4. Don't rehome LN Phx yet (N)
Elysium: PRB=100 (Palace) $28, so University in 10 turns (A)
CJ Settler: ClearOrders, move NW to Irrigate & Road GLS
Please do not rehome either Legion, they are planned asis.
Civvium: hire Elvis to freeze growth and Celebrate.
TFalls: Ocean serf to Forest, Caravan 0/50 in 8, IPRB=20 $4.
Little Nemo: Settler 0/40 in 13 (IPRB=10 $2)
LN Settler irrigating NW of LN: Clear.Orders then
Move W to GG Plains, and irrigate there, so GG can grow.
Nemo Bay: serf to ocean, grows in 1, Silver Caravan 42/50 in 2,
then Knight? Crusader?, serf to Forest.
Khorsabad: Settler 31/40, BUY when North City is built in 1!
Unfortify LN Warrior, walk road to Khors.South, Support there.
Marl Downs: Ocean serf to Road. Settler, Caravan or Marketplace?
Rehome Legion in Mordhiemia, ship to Wheat Island.
Please do not rehome Neuma Legion that is in Marl Downs
York Downs: IPRB=10 $2, Settler 9/40 in 10, then perhaps Caravel
Eboracum: IPRB $2, Caravan 19/50 in 6, then Caravan.
Yes, rehome the Neuma Warrior that is here.
Viborg: switch to Temple 0/40 in 14.
Cadiz: Serf to Forest, Dip 12/30, IPRB $19, Dip in 2. (A)
Bactra: Serf to Forest, Dip 0/30, needs IPRB=10 $17 (A)
Dellham: Catapult? 6/40 in 6? already supporting Legion War Unit!
IPRB=10 $8 (A), switch to Knight (or Catapult?)
Hipsheim: IPRB $4 (A), Dip 8/30 in 9
Castle Jayne: Settler 8/40 in 8, grows in 3, maybe ok
IPRB=10 $4, later IPRB=20 $4 (A)
Routskilde: Temple 0/40 in 10, grows in 5 ok, serf onto Peat
Banana Bay: Knight 0/40, one Settler needs to build a City.
Udal: Settler 0/40 in 14, Not Temple (A)
after two turns, IPRB=10 $13 (A)
Viborg: switch to Temple 0/40 in 14. (A)
Lindow Moss: Sw to Gems Caravan 0/50 in 10
Rehome Uppsala Crusaders when Road is built!
Now press End of Turn, move into 880 AD and so on.
Elysium: grows in 4 turns, new serf into ocean or good road.
Civvium Silver Caravan near TFalls, deliver @Max Trade to RC
Civvium: building Caravan: 7/40 in 8? OR Settler w IPRB?
Bedfont Lakes: Wine Caravan 45/50 in 1, then Caravan?
Wine is demanded by Lahore, but lets save it for a Wonder.
Gabba Gabba: Silk Caravan 15/50 in 7, could IPRB $11...
Beast Flats: Silk Caravan 43/50 in 1, start another Caravan.
Penguin Flats: Settler 17/40 in 8 ok
Khors.South: Grows in 3 to Whale, Archer 4/30 in 8
Mordhiemia: Settler 36/40 in 1, then Settler? Caravan?
Octavia: Settler 9/40 in 9, grows in 5 ok, THEN SETTLER
Neuma: Temple 14/40 in 9, then Caravan
Reneaux: Food Caravan 36/50 in 3, then Marketplace (A)
Fort Anarchy: Caravan 10/50 in 8, could IPRB $11... needs Irrigation
Monks Towne: Settler 34/40 in 2, then Settler? Caravan?
Legendary City: Caravan 23/50 in 4
Cymru Straits: Caravel 39/40, serf Plains or Fish? Next?
Uppsala Barracks: Temple 10/40 in 6, then Catapult?
Lindow Moss: Settlers 0/40 in 8
Rehome Uppsala Crusaders when Road is built, when available...
Send Boreum Ferry SE now, drop the Settler and Dip at the Wheat South "D" Site, and start a Settler I guess. Octavia can build Settler after Settler, we have so many island sites up here. Also, let's keep that MD Caraval as a ferry , indefinitely.
We have 2 Caravels near Bactra. The close one, Civvium, is needed to ferry a Caravan from Beast Flats. So let's drop the Warrior and dash back, tardy, but better late than never.
Recall the Udal Trireme, near Spanish to Banana Bay, units there.
Viborg Settler, SW SW charge, SW connect road on Plains.
Lindow Moss Settler, Road NW of LM. Then go found V3 (W W of Upps) (A)
Lindow Moss could therefore build another Settler (A)
Oedo Year for the Revolution: 920AD, before EndOfThatTurn!
Then set to 70% Luxuries, and consider Entertainers. Banana Bay serf to Whale. Last, touch End Of Turn.
Then choose Republic, please touch W (Wait) for all units (so we can see what the Settlers completed), then please save for discussion.
Comments?
Generally, we are stockpiling Caravans for Isaac (then Magellan), Need Science Gravity, building Caravans and Knights, Irrigating, and switching to Republic in 920AD. Temples: Viborg, Routskilde, definitely! (A)
I had posted specific plans for Download Serf Changes, Republic Support, Settlers, Aonia, Boreum, and Chryshe. Please refer to mine and others' plans as you play.
Key: (A) means was Approved by poll, or (N) Nemo
Please disregard many of the Civ1 Rehoming changes.
One good one is the LN Warrior, rehome in Khors South.
Another is the Neuma Warrior in Eboracum, listed below.
Immediate changes, before End of Turn, etc
REGIA CIVITAS: Switch to Salt? Caravan 0/50 in 6, (N)
Later, IPRB=10 $4. Don't rehome LN Phx yet (N)
Elysium: PRB=100 (Palace) $28, so University in 10 turns (A)
CJ Settler: ClearOrders, move NW to Irrigate & Road GLS
Please do not rehome either Legion, they are planned asis.
Civvium: hire Elvis to freeze growth and Celebrate.
TFalls: Ocean serf to Forest, Caravan 0/50 in 8, IPRB=20 $4.
Little Nemo: Settler 0/40 in 13 (IPRB=10 $2)
LN Settler irrigating NW of LN: Clear.Orders then
Move W to GG Plains, and irrigate there, so GG can grow.
Nemo Bay: serf to ocean, grows in 1, Silver Caravan 42/50 in 2,
then Knight? Crusader?, serf to Forest.
Khorsabad: Settler 31/40, BUY when North City is built in 1!
Unfortify LN Warrior, walk road to Khors.South, Support there.
Marl Downs: Ocean serf to Road. Settler, Caravan or Marketplace?
Rehome Legion in Mordhiemia, ship to Wheat Island.
Please do not rehome Neuma Legion that is in Marl Downs
York Downs: IPRB=10 $2, Settler 9/40 in 10, then perhaps Caravel
Eboracum: IPRB $2, Caravan 19/50 in 6, then Caravan.
Yes, rehome the Neuma Warrior that is here.
Viborg: switch to Temple 0/40 in 14.
Cadiz: Serf to Forest, Dip 12/30, IPRB $19, Dip in 2. (A)
Bactra: Serf to Forest, Dip 0/30, needs IPRB=10 $17 (A)
Dellham: Catapult? 6/40 in 6? already supporting Legion War Unit!
IPRB=10 $8 (A), switch to Knight (or Catapult?)
Hipsheim: IPRB $4 (A), Dip 8/30 in 9
Castle Jayne: Settler 8/40 in 8, grows in 3, maybe ok
IPRB=10 $4, later IPRB=20 $4 (A)
Routskilde: Temple 0/40 in 10, grows in 5 ok, serf onto Peat
Banana Bay: Knight 0/40, one Settler needs to build a City.
Udal: Settler 0/40 in 14, Not Temple (A)
after two turns, IPRB=10 $13 (A)
Viborg: switch to Temple 0/40 in 14. (A)
Lindow Moss: Sw to Gems Caravan 0/50 in 10
Rehome Uppsala Crusaders when Road is built!
Now press End of Turn, move into 880 AD and so on.
Elysium: grows in 4 turns, new serf into ocean or good road.
Civvium Silver Caravan near TFalls, deliver @Max Trade to RC
Civvium: building Caravan: 7/40 in 8? OR Settler w IPRB?
Bedfont Lakes: Wine Caravan 45/50 in 1, then Caravan?
Wine is demanded by Lahore, but lets save it for a Wonder.
Gabba Gabba: Silk Caravan 15/50 in 7, could IPRB $11...
Beast Flats: Silk Caravan 43/50 in 1, start another Caravan.
Penguin Flats: Settler 17/40 in 8 ok
Khors.South: Grows in 3 to Whale, Archer 4/30 in 8
Mordhiemia: Settler 36/40 in 1, then Settler? Caravan?
Octavia: Settler 9/40 in 9, grows in 5 ok, THEN SETTLER
Neuma: Temple 14/40 in 9, then Caravan
Reneaux: Food Caravan 36/50 in 3, then Marketplace (A)
Fort Anarchy: Caravan 10/50 in 8, could IPRB $11... needs Irrigation
Monks Towne: Settler 34/40 in 2, then Settler? Caravan?
Legendary City: Caravan 23/50 in 4
Cymru Straits: Caravel 39/40, serf Plains or Fish? Next?
Uppsala Barracks: Temple 10/40 in 6, then Catapult?
Lindow Moss: Settlers 0/40 in 8
Rehome Uppsala Crusaders when Road is built, when available...
Send Boreum Ferry SE now, drop the Settler and Dip at the Wheat South "D" Site, and start a Settler I guess. Octavia can build Settler after Settler, we have so many island sites up here. Also, let's keep that MD Caraval as a ferry , indefinitely.
We have 2 Caravels near Bactra. The close one, Civvium, is needed to ferry a Caravan from Beast Flats. So let's drop the Warrior and dash back, tardy, but better late than never.
Recall the Udal Trireme, near Spanish to Banana Bay, units there.
Viborg Settler, SW SW charge, SW connect road on Plains.
Lindow Moss Settler, Road NW of LM. Then go found V3 (W W of Upps) (A)
Lindow Moss could therefore build another Settler (A)
Oedo Year for the Revolution: 920AD, before EndOfThatTurn!
Then set to 70% Luxuries, and consider Entertainers. Banana Bay serf to Whale. Last, touch End Of Turn.
Then choose Republic, please touch W (Wait) for all units (so we can see what the Settlers completed), then please save for discussion.
Comments?
GaryNemo
Settler from None
And the Caravans. First is Marl Downs Salt, iirc, deliver at Max Trade to Elysium. Second is RC Silk, awaiting new Caraval in Cymru Straits, also Dellham Archer, deliver Silk to Dehli if demanded, drop Archer on Indian Peninsula we wish to claim. Third Caravan is Civvium Silver, deliver to RC at Max Trade.
Other Caravans, several near LC and whatnot, generally proceed to GG and LN area.
Generally, be wary of the AI Mayors' placement of new serfs on Fish. Usually, we want the Whale, Forest, Road, you know.
Other Caravans, several near LC and whatnot, generally proceed to GG and LN area.
Generally, be wary of the AI Mayors' placement of new serfs on Fish. Usually, we want the Whale, Forest, Road, you know.
GaryNemo
Settler from None
Our Duke and Civ1 have commented in the Republic poll.
Banana Bay is tight. Rehoming the Settler and then go found Lone Bison may be necessary. Reneaux would work.
Udal: will grow. Settler SW SW Irrigate, then go found a city.
Monks Towne: good catch! We have a charged settler nearby, could Clear.Orders and go irrigate the River for MT right now.
Viborg: too bad, but all will survive, we can fix it later.
Mord: maybe Caravan instead of Settler? Or Rehome Octavia, as Civ1 has recommended?
Marl Downs: temporary, Legion is being rehomed to Mord right now.
Neuma: rehome Warrior in Ebor, as Civ1 has recommended.
Take care of everything now? I think so. Now 3 of us have studied this and posted, and others have studied and see nothing else critical (I hope!)
Banana Bay is tight. Rehoming the Settler and then go found Lone Bison may be necessary. Reneaux would work.
Udal: will grow. Settler SW SW Irrigate, then go found a city.
Monks Towne: good catch! We have a charged settler nearby, could Clear.Orders and go irrigate the River for MT right now.
Viborg: too bad, but all will survive, we can fix it later.
Mord: maybe Caravan instead of Settler? Or Rehome Octavia, as Civ1 has recommended?
Marl Downs: temporary, Legion is being rehomed to Mord right now.
Neuma: rehome Warrior in Ebor, as Civ1 has recommended.
Take care of everything now? I think so. Now 3 of us have studied this and posted, and others have studied and see nothing else critical (I hope!)
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