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Discussion in 'Civ2 - Game of Democracy II' started by Jayne, Jan 15, 2003.

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  1. Jayne

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    1570ad - Made recommended alterations.

    Indian dip expelled. Speak to Indians. They ask us to decalre war on Vikings, agree. Ask for gunpowder, refuse. Swap maps. Some more Spanish towns revealed including Barcelona (SUN TZU).
    Speak to Greeks. We refuse gunpowder, they refuse map swap.

    Incite revolt in Gordium for £436. Get £80, Physics, barracks, aquaduct, settler, phalanx, knight. Leo's upgrades units. There is hunger. We have 12 food in box, so decide to settle engineer ASAP.

    IPRB: RC, Elys, PF, Salz, Ren, CJ
    Can't afford Antioch now.

    Barbs land near MD!! 4 knights

    1580 - WLTC: Trit, Westness, Gord, CJ, Civ, MD, TF
    Disorder in Hladir

    Bactra builds dip, starts temp. BB builds temp, starts dip. GG builds wine van, starts van. CJ builds market, starts aqua. Civ builds silver van, starts sewer. Viborg builds dip, starts dip. Elys builds sewer, starts harbor. RC builds sewer, starts harbor. Udal builds rifle, starts van. Salz builds rifle, starts dip.

    Gordium disbands engineer!!?!

    Leo's upgrades muskets to rifles. Discover Conscription. Start Steam Engine (over Atomic Theory, Tactics, Magnetism). NUF pop +10,000,000

    Bribe barb knight for £82. Attack 2 stacked knights and win.

    Persians request audience. Refuse to give Gunpowder. They ask for CF, agree. Establish embassy: Researching Mono, Republic, £998, 6 cities, allied with Russia.

    GG wine rehomed in Elys for Civ

    IPRB: LC

    Viking cat kills our draggon near Jorvik. Indians expel our dip. They appraoch IW and CS. Barb kills our knight and dip.

    1590ad - Trit builds eng, starts dip. DS builds eng, starts van. FT builds dip, starts eng. CS builds dip, starts dip.PF builds silk van, starts van. Ren builds market, starts sewer. Upps build eng, starts market.

    WLTC: CF, Udal
    Disorder in DS

    Spanish city Avila spotted in India. Would revolt for £149. Establish embassy with Indians: Researching Inv, Monarchy £1780, 9 cities, peace with Spanish, war with Vikings

    Find Jarrow. Subvert Jorvik for £124. Get £59, legion. Start rifle.
    Vikings request audience. Send them away. Amazingly Senate support continued action against Vikings!!!

    Indian government overthrown. Antioch in disorder!

    Indian cloth van from Karachi arrives at IW. Cloth-salt £2/turn

    Barb attacks MD. Loses.

    1600ad - Hamburg builds dip, starts eng. LB builds harbor, starts temp. MM builds temple, starts van. Melam builds temple, starts van. Rout builds dip, starts courthouse. FA builds dip, starts van.

    WLTC : MM, DS, Melam, FT
    WLTC cancelled: Westness, Gord
    NUF pop +11,000,000

    Rehome Elys silver in RC for India.
    Expell Indian dip. Spanish ship spotted off Skara.

    Vet dragoon attacks Jarrow pike. Wins. Same again with Jarrow explorer. Dragoon walks into Jarrow. Get £30. Jarrow detroyed. VIKINGS DESTROYED!!! :viking::hammer: Units are near Saragossa.

    Birka founded at S2 site. Start dip.

    Antioch costs $812. Persian units approach Bactra again. Indians become Republic.

    1610ad - IW builds dip, start dip. Ebor builds silk van, start engineer. Erik builds temp, starts dip. LC builds silver van, starts aquaduct. Kaup builds dip, starts temple.

    WLTC cancelled in Melam, MD.

    Found Vikingsnomore. Start rifle.
    Found Forest Isle, start dip

    Spanish units found. Dragoon kills settler.

    IPRB: Neuma

    Spanish knights kill 2 dragoons

    1620ad - WLTC cancelled: DS, CF, Aarhus, TF
    Disorder in NB !? (I'm not sure why!)

    LM builds dip, starts van. BB builds dip, starts caravel. Neuma builds aqua, starts market. MD builds gems van, starts sewer. TF builds gold van, starts aqua. CF builds dragg, starts caravel.

    Leo's upgrades legion to musket. Discover Steam Engine, Start Theology.

    Hamburg dip find hut. Musket.

    Spanish knight attacks dragoon and loses.

    1630ad - WLTC cancelled: MM
    WLTC: LM, BL
    Disorder: Oct

    Hips builds silk van, starts van. Oct builds eng, starts temp. Trond builds dragoon, starts temp, sells barracks.

    NUF pop +12,000,000

    Rehome TF gold in RC for Civ
    Deliver Elys wine to Civ: £87 £8/turn each for Civ and Elys

    Dragoon beats Spanish sett. Spanish knight kills dragoon.

    Indians get Inv from Spanish. Persians get Mono. Indians discover Gunpowder! Persians get it from Great Library!!

    1640ad - WLTC: Oct
    Disorder in Janus.

    Salz builds dip, start eng. MT builds dye van, start market. Elys build harbor, start bank. RC builds harbor, start dip. YD builds boat, start van.

    Expell Indian dip. Loaded Indian boat approaching LC/CJ

    1650ad - NUF discover Theology. Start Railroad. Oracle obsolete. Leo's upgrades muskets to rifles.

    WLTC: Bact, Gord, GG, Aarhus, LN
    WLTC cancelled: LC, CJ, RC (2 elvii hired)
    Disorder: BB, Viborg, Upps

    Antioch in disorder again! Check Oedo year = 1660! Subvert for £1012. Get £212, pikeman, granary, market, aqua, harbor, MARCOs! Government doesn't fall. Archer threatening bactra disappears.

    Upps silk delivered to RC: £243. £3/turn for Upps
    RC silk delivered to Delhi: £462

    Persians request audience. Refuse Steam Engine. Agree CF.

    IPRB: NB, BL, Prag, FA

    Barbs near Antioch

    1660ad - Disorder: Salz, Hamb, Skara
    WLTC: Trit, DS, Westness, BB, Vib, RC
    WLTC cancelled: LM, BL, Trond

    NUF discover Railroad. Start Tactics (over Atomic Theory, Magnetism). Hanging Gardens obsolete. Leo's upgrades pike to musket
    NUF pop +13,000,000

    RC gold arrives in Civ: £92 +£6/turn for Civ

    Addict Town founded. Start dip.

    .....
    I thought I better leave it there. I'm not entirely sure how losing Hanging Gardens will affect things.

    We have £1981. Techs every 3 turns. £144 profit per turn. We can now build BACHs. Next Oedo year is 1700.

    I will play again next Wednesday.



    NUF South Islands North Islands Scandinavia India Persia
     
  2. Zwelgje

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    Jayne is torturing me, I'm at work not able to check out the saved file yet I know 9 turns have been played... I want to know what happened! :( :cry:
     
  3. Elsaak

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    So do I !!

    I think almost all the viewers at this post are in the same
    positions than us....

    Queen, we are waiting for your holy report.

    (I will come back into 15' to check if there is something added. ...!):)
     
  4. Jayne

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    It's here!! Took me ages to type, plus Lucy insisted I feed her a banana too!!!!
     
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    OK, we lost some we won some...
    After all it appears to be nice: Antioch for a nice price, Gordium too so we can start to settle near Gordium!
    Trade is working out just fine: huge amounts of money received! :)
    We've got lots of money, lots coming in each turn too so all that needs to be done now is find the other Spanish cities, their capitol and start the attack!
     
  7. GaryNemo

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    1660AD Status of the NUF Republic - 1981 gold 20,30,50%

    We have Theology & Democracy, the Vans for Bach, and Railroad. Marvelous increase in Population and capability, and with Democracy this will occur worldwide! Nice work delivering Vans and saving Marl.Downs :goodjob: Good flow of Foreign Trade Vans - 2 Silver in Indian Watcher. Perhaps we can begin laying Railroad to connect Elysium with GG, CJ and Monks Towne?

    Next oedo year is 1700 : Bach in 1680, Revolution 1690AD.

    Loosing Hanging Gardens is a bit of a curve ball. Celebration is reduced, and we lack Engineers to quickly build our Railroads. Now that the Indian invaders are stacked, we cannot bribe them. Antioch? "No comment"

    1660 AD Status: 13,910,000 people in 59 cities.   1981.gold   With Critical Changes: 4.Scientist 3.Taxmen 31.Elvis!, disorder in 3, some celebrations. @ 20,30,50%
    F5 $185 -29, Sci 552 in 3 turns. F11 Mfg=347, Family Size=3.5   NUF is engulfing our enemies, again sweeping #1 in Population, Manufacturing, and Land.Area, #2 in Productivity, and sunk to #5 in Family Size.

    Elysium FAQ: Size=18, 11 Happy +6.Content +Scientist
      Trade 81 - Corruption 7, Tax 25 + Lux 36 + Beakers 258

    1570 AD Status: 9,650,000 people in 52! cities.   1809.gold   With Download Changes: 2.Scientist 15.Elvis!, disorder in Uppsala & Westness, good celebrations. @ 20,30,50%
    F5 $137 -19, Sci 424 in 4 turns. F11 Mfg=307!, Family Size=4.0   NUF is vanquishing our enemies, again sweeping #1 in Population, Manufacturing, Land Area and Productivity, and up to #3 in Family Size.

    Elysium FAQ: Size=12, disaster averted, 9 Happy +2.Content +Scientist
      Trade 58 - Corruption 5, Tax 18 + Lux 25 + Beakers 192

    1510 AD Status: 7,770,000 people in same 43 cities.   1541.gold   With Download Changes: 5.Scientist 5.Elvis, good celebrations. @ 20,30,50%
    F5 $113 -46, Sci 412 in 4 turns. F11 Mfg=254, Family Size=3.8
    Elysium 1400: Size=9, grows in 8, 7 Happy +1.Content +Scientist
      Trade 49 - Corruption 4, Tax 15 + Lux 22 + Beakers 162

    1000 AD Status: 2,268,000 people, in 34 cities. 379 gold, For comparison at 20,20,60% 1.Scientist 1.Elvis, Many.Celebrations, only FA.Disorder.
    F5 $59 -18, Sci 224 in 5.turns. F11 Mfg=158, Family Size=5.2
    940AD Formed Republic Government: 1750,000 pop in 34 cities.

    Only Critical Changes:
    REGIA CIVITAS=19: Scientist & Elvis, Growing, Dip in 1, BACH
    Elysium=18: Growing, Bank in 9? PRB $?
    Civvium=12: could be Growing, PRB $44, Sewer in 2!
    Nemo Bay: starving, Irrg GLS! Van in 2, Silver?
    Little Nemo: Elvis, Engr in 5, then Engr.
    Bedfont Lakes: forest to ocean, Van in 1 Silk, Market?
    Penguin Flats: Forest to Elvis, Van in 4
    Cold Front: forest Elvis, starve in 5, IPRB $4, Caravel in 2
    Frozen Toe: Reducr feed, Tax & Scientist, Engr in 15

    Marl Downs=11: could Elvis & 4 ocean, Celeb, Sewer $176?
      Seems better 2 Tax, Sewer in 13, await Democ? Bank?
    York Downs: forest to ocean. Build what?
    Mordhiemia: Elvis, Market in 41? Buy $82?
    Octavia: Irrigation to Plains, Temple in 7?
    Eboracum: forest to Elvis, Engr in 3, RR Hill, st Engr?
    Neuma=8: forest to Elvis, Celeb! PRB $72 Market in 5
    Melampyrum: Irrg to Elvis, Van IPRB $4 in 6, Silk?
    Bactra: 2 grass ocean Elvis, Temple in 36 ok.
    Antioch: forest to Elvis, Celebrates!? sw Rifle to Dip?
    Gordium: 2 Elvii, sw Dip to Temple

    Reneaux=12: could be growing, PRB $60 Sewer in 2
    Mulled Mine: Elvis, starving, problem in 6
    Fort Anarchy: grass to Elvis, Van in 1, Van.
    Legendary: ocean to Road, PRB $58, Aquaduct in 5, grows in 6
    Cymru Straits: ocean Elvis, Dip in 2, then another Dip?
    Routskilde: Elvis, Food-1, Courthouse in 7 seems ok
    Lone Bison: grows in 2, PRB Temple $36 may be required?
    Lindow Moss: Peat and Elvis, IPRB=30 $4 Van in 5, Van.
      Gems Route w Elysium, would have been better Ren or DH
    Viborg: grass to forest, Dip in 3, then Dip? Engr?
    Hladir Granary: Engr in 2, then another Engr, please.
    Kaupang: Reduce Food, Temple in 5.
    Jorvik: sw Rifle to Temple, PRB $68

    Nearly all changes above are required to prevent the collapse of our government. :( My Queen, the loss of Hanging Gardens has made our situation more critical. We are building Markets and Aquaducts in Legendary, Castle Jayne, Monks and TFalls that are of limited use   rather than an intense number of Engineers. We have only 22 Engineers and 6 in production.

    Researching Tactics (due in 3 turns), 48 known: Alphabet, Astronomy, Banking, Bridge, Bronze, CBurial, Chemistry, Chivalry, CodeLaws, Conscription, Construction, Currency, Democracy, Economics, Engineering, Explosives, Feudalism, GunPowder, HBR, Invention, Iron.Working, Leadership, Literacy, Map.Making, Masonry, Math, Medicine, Metallurgy, Monarchy, Monotheism, Mysticism, Navigation, Philosophy, Physics, Polytheism, Pottery, RAILROAD, Republic, Sanitation, Seafaring.Harbors, Steam.Engine, Theology, Gravity, Trade, University, WarrCode, Wheel and Writing.

    Although we have "Discoveries in 3 Turns", due to Caravan deliveries our rate is sometimes higher than that. We discovered Conscription, Steam.Engine, Theology, and Railroad in the past 9 turns. Physics just appeared???

    -GaryNemo, your Domestic Advisor.
     
  8. Jayne

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    We got that from the Persians after subverting Gordium.

    I'm surprised we got Railroad in one turn. I guess the caravan delivery helped.
     
  9. Jayne

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    It's what the people voted for, and I got it at a good price. You obviously didn't make a strong enough case against bribing! ;)
     
  10. GaryNemo

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    Jayne, no problem. :goodjob:

    I hope we build Bach and go to Democracy, rather than fiddle around with Statue of Liberty and Darwin right now. Corruption is vast, we fear the AI bribig our troops, and Democracy will likely quell unrest in many far away critical cities.

    Anyone want to switch Monks Towne, Castle.Jayne and TFalls to Engineers?

    Also, we have a HUGE army idling in Scandanavia. :lol:
    General? How shall we attack the Spanish?
     
  11. Octavian X

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    I'm glad Mordheimia didn't suffer the fate of Octavia's Point. This time, we were prepared.

    As for Democracy, let's build Bach's asap and switch. Corruption is killing us...
     
  12. Jayne

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    iirc, RC should build it's dip next turn. 8 sacrificial vans await inside the city to build Bachs. I agree we should switch at the next oportunity.

    I also agree on switching production to engineers to help build the Great NUF Railway. Then after build dragoons to ship to Persia and Spain.
     
  13. GaryNemo

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    I see Bach and Democracy are well supported by votes and posts. Let us hope that trend continues.

    What happened to the Barb Knight we bribed near Marl Downs? The Duchess of Reneaux writes that she fears for her safety, and I agree with her. Time for Dragoon guards here and there. Hawkish, she asks why did our army sit idle in Scandanavia the past 100 years? She weeps the loss of her son and our Dragoons near Jarvik, and pleads that her loss not be without recompense. Many Dragoons have been lost and must be replaced, and many Riflemen sit idle.
     
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    Regarding switching to Engineers, these seem like possibilities:
    Switch improvement to Engineer: Monks.Towne! Castle.Jayne? TFalls...
    Switch unit to Engineer: Penguin? Melampyrum Capricornium? Banana.Bay Antioch?

    Improvements to continue: Neuma Market of course, Marl.Downs & Reneaux Sewers, Octavia Temple in 7, Legendary Aquaduct PRB, Routskilde Courthouse (sw to Market?), Uppsala Market, many Scandanavian Temples.
    Improvements with large investment, so continue to throw good resources after bad: Mordhiemia Market

    Finish current build, then Engr: Viborg Dip in 3, Mordhiemia.
     
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    Some units were shipped to Jorvik island for the 'Final Push' but perished in the Spanish Ambush. Others were sent to protect Jorvik and Birka. One unit was sent to explore surrounding islands. Other units wait in defense of Barbarians, and for further instruction from our General. And for boats currently building in the area.
     
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    Thank you for explaining that, My Queen. It would help if I would read, wouldn't it? I see now that you have somehow also replaced our Dip guard in Boreum :goodjob:

    I'm going to plan the Caravans later today. Someone needs to study the war unit situation. Since 6 Dragoons have been lost, that means several cities can support fresh troops. I've just checked Routskilde, which had supported a Drogoon. This seems like the time to march one of those Rifles, now in Mulled, over to Hips to rehome. There is a None Rifle in Birke that is available. Kaupang still has 3 Rifles, so you must have sent a different one to be supported by Birke.

    The Dip guards seem ok everywhere but Scandanavia. Could someone please study Scandanavia? The Dip guards must be established, and we must again marshall forces by determining which cities anywhere can support war units, which existing units can be quickly rehomed in those, and where to build Dragoons to quickly rehome in the balance?

    Also someone must check shipping. I see 2 Caravels near Lindholm, and no Udal Ferry. Rebuilding the Ferry in Banana Bay will work if we can rehome the BB Cannon on holiday in Trondheim. Better yet, let's rehome the new BB Caravel in Lone Bison, eh? If Caravels move 4 it can happily sail there via Udal.
     
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    Caravans 1660AD

    Delhi demand: Silver Salt (/Silk!) ("Not Silk"), Madras same: Silver Silk & Dye. Lahore: Gems Dye (/Coal?). The Indians have deteriorated from Cordial to Receptive, and menace us at Indian Watcher, the SW Elysium island, and our mainland cities of Legendary City and Hipsheim.

    Good flow of Foreign Trade Vans - 2 Silver in Indian Watcher.

    We have 15 Vans (including 8 for Bach), and another 15 in production.

    RC Silk near Delhi: Deliver to Madras Demand, and see if more Silk demand pops up in India again.
    Hiding in REGIA CIVITAS: a Diplomat, Elysium Hides, Neuma Copper, FA Coal, Hips Coal, BFL Salt, Beast Salt, Penguin Silk, and LC unknown, 8 Vans.
    Indian Watcher: RC Silver and Civvium Silver: deliver both.
    Near GG: Hips Silk, Monks Dye, Ebor Silk, Marl.Downs Gems.
    That is all 15 :)

    The Marl Downs Gems are valuable in two ways: Gems are as good as Gold, and it is from Marl Downs which needs a Route. Lets deliver Gems directly from Marl.Downs to India and kill two birds with the one stone -- Calcutta looks better than Lahore, and we can deliver quickly straight from a ship.

    If Indian Silk demand is renewed, rehome the Hips Silk in RC and ship to India. Madras demands Dye, so rehome the Monks Dye in RC and ship to India.

    That leaves the Ebor Silk. Shall we give Ebor a route? Or save it for another wonder such as Darwin or Status of Liberty? We all demand Silk(=base arrows): Elysium=81 RC=73 TFalls=14 and LC=17 are all good choices. The actual number of arrows at Max Trade is higher -- TFalls and LC are viable.

    Comments on the above plans? Objections?

    Domestic Trade routes are needed with focus cities, such as Reneaux. It can be more productive to rehome Vans from small cities into focus cities before delivering to Elysium or REGIA CIVITAS. The Reneaux routes are earning £7, Lindow Moss only £4 per turn. Further, Civvium now has its 3 Routes, earning £17 per turn, excellent, so no more Civ Routes seem needed.

    Caravans nearly completed:
    Nemo Bay: starving, Irrg GLS! Van in 2, Silver?
    Bedfont Lakes: Van 47/50 in 1, Wine? Silk?
    Gabba Gabba: IPRB $13, Van in 4, Gold? Wine? Silk?
    Beast Flats: IPRB $6, Van in 5, Beads? Cloth?
    Penguin: Forest to Elvis, sw Van 35/50 to Engr in 2
    Capricornium: sw to Dip 31/30 in 1, st Temple

    Prague: Van 44/50 in 2, Silk, needs Ferry Pickup
    Dellham: Van 35/50 in 3, Silk or IPRB $11 in 2
      rehome in Reneaux and deliver to Elysium or RC

    Mulled Mine: Van 26/50 in 6, Silver? Silk?
      Elvis, starving, problem in 11, ENGR!
    Hipsheim: Van 18/50 in 6, Copper
    Fort Anarchy: Van 47/50 in 1, Beads? Cloth?

    Other ideas?
     
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    Am I the only one bothered by the Indian encroachment? They are in our face. Catapult trained on Indian Watcher. Elephant and Knight sitting on Legendary City's Iron. Elephant fouling our plans to settle the island SW of Elysium.
    Can we expel them all? Will that impact our ability to get maps of Spain? After delivery of one more Van outside Dehli, do we care how they react?
     
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    Is it size 1 or more? I can't see on the map. If it's a size one city, I think we should expel it asap, because if they sneak attack us, we might lose the city, if they refuse and declare war - we have an oppurtunity to destroy it before they can make a move. If it's size two or larger, I think we could risk losing one pop and a defender to deliver our caravans, and not ask them to move the catapult. If we're lucky, a catapult might not even take out a fortified RM, but are we willing to risk it?
     
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