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Discussion in 'Civ2 - Game of Democracy II' started by Jayne, Jan 15, 2003.

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  1. Elsaak

    Elsaak European und Réunionnais

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    By now, another poll could be : :scan:
    do you prefer first settle the Northen Islands + Indian Islands + Perso-Russian Land (and NOT go on war) ?
    do you prefer first go against the Spanish ?
    do you prefer first go against the Persian?
    do you prefer first go against the Indian ?
    do you prefer first go against the Greek ?
    do you prefer first go against the Russian ?
    do you prefer first a mix of wars ?
    do you prefer first a mix of settling and war ?

    :confused:
     
  2. GaryNemo

    GaryNemo Settler from None

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    Required Planning, Questions

    In the Upcoming War thread, several specific plans are already formed. I will try to analyze and post a list of other cities that could support war units. I feel we need to rebuild our Dragoon force, but an Ironclad or two come first.

    Possible work plan:
    • Nemo: extra war units, also Build Q polls.
    • DoM: how many Ironclads, how soon, what to do with them?
    • Funxus: more detailed Spanish War plans, then consolidate them Monday per Jayne's request.
    • Civ1: Islands and what to do, this turn, with the new island Engrs?
    • What else? What new opportunities does Democracy provide?
    • I am particularly concerned with Capricornium and Melampyrun, which will double up on Engineers and face unhappiness, development of the Gordium area, and
    • Shipping? We have Ferries near Prague and York.Downs.
    • Beast, Boreum and Indian Ferries must remain on station, eh? Udal too?
    • What about Antioch? Barbs? Expel the Persians? Perhaps we can ship an extra Dip from Boreum to Antioch? Can Cold.Front Island help?
    • Indians? Expel them all? New island Sw of Elysium? Van safety?
    • New cities? Guards? Engrs for Rail, Shields and/or Irrigation?
    • New favored cities? Uppsala? Routskilde? others?
    • Science? Vet Ironclads or Magnetism? Genetic? Darwin?
    Funxus, Indian Watcher is Size=1. We have 2 Dips, 2 Rifles and 2 Vans in the city. The Dips have moved, so we can't check the price of that Catapult. Too bad, Indian Watcher supports 2 Dips and a Rifle. Perhaps we could all pray?
     
  3. Zwelgje

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    Gary posted on the first page the changes to prevent the government from falling but the build queues he posted along with it were kind of short. Especially when Jayne decides to play another 10 turns! (I hope she will do that! :) )
    So I'd like to repost the list by Gary with some additions by me in bold:

    REGIA CIVITAS=19: Scientist & Elvis, Growing, Dip in 1, BACH (build with caravans) then bank.
    Elysium=18: Growing, Bank in 9? PRB $? Then caravan.
    Civvium=12: could be Growing, PRB $44, Sewer in 2! then Harbor
    Nemo Bay: starving, Irrg GLS! Van in 2, Silver? van
    Little Nemo: Elvis, Engr in 5, then Engr.
    Bedfont Lakes: forest to ocean, Van in 1 Silk, Market? I prefer to start engineer after van
    Penguin Flats: Forest to Elvis, Van in 4 then engineer
    Cold Front: forest Elvis, starve in 5, IPRB $4, Caravel in 2 then switch Elvis and forrest to ocean: content and not starving, start diplo
    Frozen Toe: Reducr feed, Tax & Scientist, Engr in 15
    Beast Flats: van in 6, van
    Gabba gabba: van in 6, van.



    Marl Downs=11: could Elvis & 4 ocean, Celeb, Sewer $176?
    Seems better 2 Tax, Sewer in 13, await Democ? Bank?
    York Downs: forest to ocean. Build what? van in 46, doesn't matter, everything will take ages...
    Mordhiemia: Elvis, Market in 41? Buy $82? Yes buy it, then van
    Octavia: Irrigation to Plains, Temple in 7? then engineer
    Eboracum: forest to Elvis, Engr in 3, RR Hill, st Engr?
    Neuma=8: forest to Elvis, Celeb! PRB $72 Market in 5 then engineer
    Melampyrum: Irrg to Elvis, Van IPRB $4 in 6, Silk? then engineer
    Bactra: 2 grass ocean Elvis, Temple in 36 ok.
    Antioch: forest to Elvis, Celebrates!? sw Rifle to Dip?
    Gordium: 2 Elvii, sw Dip to Temple
    Hamburg: engr in 7 then another engineer
    Salzburg: engr in 8 then another engineer


    Reneaux=12: could be growing, PRB $60 Sewer in 2
    Mulled Mine: Elvis, starving, problem in 6
    Fort Anarchy: grass to Elvis, Van in 1, Van.
    Legendary: ocean to Road, PRB $58, Aquaduct in 5, grows in 6 then van
    Cymru Straits: ocean Elvis, Dip in 2, then another Dip?
    Routskilde: Elvis, Food-1, Courthouse PRB then Ironclad
    Lone Bison: grows in 2, PRB Temple $36 may be required? if temple PRB then van
    Lindow Moss: Peat and Elvis, IPRB=30 $4 Van in 5, Van.
    Gems Route w Elysium, would have been better Ren or DH
    Viborg: grass to forest, Dip in 3, then Dip? Engr? dip
    Hladir Granary: Engr in 2, then another Engr, please.
    Kaupang: Reduce Food, Temple in 5.
    Jorvik: sw Rifle to Temple, PRB $68
    Banana Bay:caravel in 3, ironclad.
    Hipsheim: van in 6, van
    Trondheim: temple in 5, dip
    Eriksson: dip in 5, dip
    Prague, van in 2, engineer
    Janus, after RM, engineer.


    Please regard my additions as suggestions rather than orders, anybody with better ideas should step up and tell! :)
     
  4. Zwelgje

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    Ideas for new engineers

    NONE caravel near Beast Flats should:
    - pick up Penguin Flats engineer
    - pick up Frozen Toe engineer
    - pick up diplo somewhere
    - sail to Persia and settle 2E 2SE of Gordium and build roads between Gordium and the new city.

    Hladir engineer can found S1

    Capricornium engineer can found N 2NW of Prague

    T-falls and MT engineers can found iron island and 3NW of Addict Town.

    T-falls, MT engineer can make some RR before being shipped, CJ engineer can make some RR too and be shipped to Persia.
     
  5. Zwelgje

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    I've made a little plan for the Hamburg and Salzburg settlers along with a visual explanation of what I had in mind for the Penguin Flats and Frozen Toe settlers.
    Circles are cities, lines are roads.
     

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  6. Zwelgje

    Zwelgje Deity

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    Insisting to withdraw troops

    Indians: wait until all their units are within our city radii (also elephant in Addict Towns radius) then kindly ask that they remove their troops. By doing this we only have the risk they declare war on us once and we get rid of all their troops.

    Persians: don't ask them to withdraw just yet. I want them to block any landings by barbarians! :D
    It would be a good idea to ship the Boreum diplo to Antioch, it will only take 2 turns.
     
  7. Duke of Marlbrough

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    Be sure our units have not moved if we are going to ask the Indians to withdraw. That way if they don't we can 'act accordingly'.
     
  8. GaryNemo

    GaryNemo Settler from None

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    Apparent Final Micromanagement Plan 1660AD

    Engineers to Clear.Orders: None near RC, Octavia, perhaps CJ near Indian Watcher (for pickup by LC Caravel in Cymru? (A)) and please start with the plan in Rail & Misc poll. Generally, Sentry units rather than spacing which kills move.
    Ren Rifle: head to Neuma and rehome there,
      Keep Ren Dragoon in Hladir while Rifle walks.
    One Routskilde Rifle in Mulled: walk to rehome in Hips (A)

    Here I restate the Critical Changes, as enhanced by Civ1 (earlier posts above), discussion, and approved by polls. Please also refer to Post in Bach 1660AD "Approvals and Expense summary" which has many PRB immediate changes.

    Hard sw to Engr: TFalls, Monks Towne, and Castle Jayne (A)
    Easy sw to Engr: Penguin Melampyrum Capri (A) and Antioch (A?)

    Bach in 1680, Revolution in 1690AD into Democracy :)D)
      Revolt, set Max Lux% and check F4, Elvii
    as needed (N)
    REGIA CIVITAS=19: Scientist & Elvis, Growing, Dip in 1, BACH
    Civvium=12: could be growing, PRB £44, Sewer in 2 (A)
    Nemo Bay: sw Van 43/50 to Dragoons in 2 (A?), then Van (D)
    Little Nemo: Elvis, Engr in 5, then Engr (N)
    Bedfont Lakes: forest to ocean, Van in 1 Silk, Van???
    Cold Front: Caravel IPRB £4 in 2? and rehome Dragoon FT? (L)
      Send Dip from Boreum, any reinforcements possible (N)
    Frozen Toe: Reduce food, Tax & Scientist, Engr in 15
      supporting Rifle now available @ Hamburg (L)

    Marl Downs=11: 2 Tax +2.forest, Sewer in 13... (in Critical chgs)
    York Downs: forest to ocean. Build what? Van? (N)
    Mordhiemia: DO NOT Rush Buy 82, Market in 41... (A)
    Prague: rehome Mord Rifle here, helps Mord Market in 21 (L)
      Van 44/50 in 2, Silk, needs Ferry Pickup (L)
    Octavia: Irrigation to Plains, Temple in 7? st Engr? (D)
    Eboracum: forest to Elvis, Engr in 3, RR Hill, st Engr? (D)
    Neuma=8: forest to Elvis, Celeb! PRB £72 Market in 5 (L)
    Bactra: 2 grass ocean Elvis, Temple in 36 ok (D)
    Antioch: forest to Elvis, Celebrates!? sw Rifle to Engr? (A)
      Barbs and Persians may necessitate Dip Rush Buy? (N)

    Gordium: 2 Elvii, sw Dip to Temple (D)

    Reneaux=12: could be growing, PRB £60, Sewer in 2 (A)
    Mulled Mine: serfs Elvis & grass, Food-1, IPRB £8, Van in 5 (N)
    Fort Anarchy: grass to Elvis, Van in 1, Van. (L)
    Legendary=8: ocean to Road, PRB £58 Aqua in 5, grows in 6 (A)
    Cymru: sw Dip 28/30 to IPRB £4 Van (A? Rail Poll), st Dip?
    Routskilde: Elvis Irrg 2Whales & Fish, Food+1
      switch to Market 41/80 and Rush Buy £78 (A)
    Lone Bison: grows in 2, PRB Temple £36 may be required (D)
    Lindow Moss: Peat and Elvis, IPRB=30 £4 Van in 5, Van (D)
    Viborg: Elvis, grass to forest, Dip in 3, then Dip? (D)
    Kaupang: Rush Buy Temple only £40, st Ironclad (L)
    Westness: Rush Buy Temple for only £30, st Ironclad (L)
    Jorvik: sw Rifle to Temple, PRB £68 maybe? (D)
     
  9. GaryNemo

    GaryNemo Settler from None

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    Changes after one or more turns:

    Speedup Vans: IPRB=30 & 40 £11, seven times per year (A)

    REGIA CIVITAS=19: Dip in 1, BACH, then start Bank (A)
    Elysium=18: Growing, Bank in 9? PRB $? (never Discussed)
      after Bank: start Van or unit? or City Walls? (Big Issues)
    Civvium=12: after Sewer in 2, Celebrate, st Harbor (D)
    Cold Front after Caravel: Elvis and forest to ocean, start Diplo (D)
    Marl Downs Democ: consider PRB the Sewer, if it would Celebrate
    Neuma=8+, next: Engr? (see Rail Poll)
    Hamburg: Engr in 7, then another Engineer (D)
    Salzburg: Engr in 8, then another Engineer (D)
    These are Civ1's switches & builds, also see city plans 19Jan above.

    Routskilde: Market, then Ironclad and $accelerate, but exactly how?
      ignore hunger, serfs Peat 2Whales GLS, 7 Sh/turn
      Ironclad 21/60 IPRB £22 and so on.

    Banana Bay: Caravel in 3, rehome in Lone Bison (A?)
      Be careful to pause in Udal if wu Cannon is moving.
    Viborg: Dip in 3, then start Engr (L)
    Hladir Granary: Engr in 2, then another Engr, please. (D)
    New Hladir Engr: N RR, then Found S1 (Plains Whale N of Hladir)
    Trondheim: Temple in 5, then Diplo (D)
    Eriksson: Dip in 5, then Dip (D)
    Prague: Van in 2, then Engineer (D)
    Janus: after Rifle, Temple? (Nemo) or Engineer? (Civ1)
      Rename Janus to Nautilus, please?

    Objections or Improvements?

    If in doubt, build another Van. Beast GG DH FA etc! (A)
    Also Hipsheim Legendary Lone.Bison (D).

    Forest Isle: Could we rename this to something more unique? How about Lone Woods for example? Or Lone Fir? Lone Maple? Lone Oak?

    Jayne said she was going to stop after establishing the Democracy. It might be productive to continue a turn or more to get some fresh Celebrations growing.
     
  10. Jayne

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    Starting now. I'll play a couple of turns into Democracy, then stop so the experts can check we are OK, then play the remaining turns tomorrow - hopefully to about 1760?
     
  11. Duke of Marlbrough

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