Nightfang Mafia (Game Concluded)

[Yakostovian]

I'm an idiot.

I just blabbed the following to my last remaining house-mate, and that means they are likely a scum.

I can no longer win the secondary win condition, as I am of house telvanni.

However, I find it reasonable to assume that every house has a single infiltrator among them, which means I found 1 with reasonable certainty (vote: choxorn.)

I redirected doubleA onto murska last night, and was told my action was successful. I had no idea what I was redirecting at the time, but I assumed I would get an answer from murska at dawn.

I can study a player during the day and pick their target at night, or if i did not study a target, i randomly redirect their action onto a different target, not including myself.

I don't know for sure if doubleA's action was a killing one, but I know what I did, and I know that his target is dead.

Make use of that information as you will.

 

[AvatarKhepri]

I expected this to happen at some point today, just wasn't sure who the lucky two would be. Way I figure, the vamp has slightly less reason to publicly-out their housemates, while the remaining villager of that house has nothing left to lose. Mind you, though, if choxorn doesn't flip wolf, Yak, then you will hang tomorrow.

unvote: Pzelda
Vote: choxorn

I have FoS on Pzelda and Double A at this point; while I'm unlikely to change my vote off of Choxorn under the circumstances, I still really wanna hear an explanation from Pzelda as previously stated...and now, a defense from Double A.

 

[pzelda]

Without much else to go on for the moment, I'm gonna vote Pzelda to get an explanation. "I'll join the only active player who is voting an inactive one" is a weird way to describe JohannaK, given that they only have the one vote-post really early on that seems to be more a matter of upholding a tradition between visor and RC than any actual reason to vote RC.

Yes, this needs an explanation. I wanted to switch off of you and I couldn't find much of a reason. I knew there was a Beroli's interaction with Robert. Ofc it was Robert who voted Beroli and not the other way around. I went to bed right after the vote without realizing my mistake till morning.

Other than that there wasn't much of a reason to read Robert either way.

Tophat, I have no idea, where the second vote came from. Someone had to cast it in secret. If I were a double voter, I would try to hide on a bigger wagon.

Also, there's exactly one player, who probably isn't a seer, who knows identity of one vampire (the last villager of Telvanni).

And these are some interesting news from Yak, possibly outing two wolves.

VOTE: CHOXORN

 

[Rakkoon]

We have a lead, vote Choxy

 

[JohannaK]

I'll vote: doubleA. There is a reasonable suspicion on him, and if this helps him explain it will be all the better.

 

[Arakhor]

Just for the sake of my scrolling more easily later on, please bold your votes.

 

[JohannaK]

Oh sorry, I forgot to. Vote:doubleA

 

[Beroli]

I was going to Vote: DoubleA even before Yakostovian posted, because all I can get from their vote on me, is that they think saying who you think isn't a vampire should be punished, which is utterly scummy. I do so with more confidence now.

 

[Arakhor]

Current vote tally:

Choxorn: Yakostovian, AvatarKhepri, Pzelda, Rakkoon
DoubleA: JohannaK, Beroli
Beroli: DoubleA

Not voting: Choxorn, Takhisis, Topsecret

 

[AvatarKhepri]

Oh sorry, I forgot to. Vote:doubleA

I was going to Vote: DoubleA even before Yakostovian posted, because all I can get from their vote on me, is that they think saying who you think isn't a vampire should be punished, which is utterly scummy. I do so with more confidence now.

We're in a situation where we have one or two wolves potentially on the chopping block. Double A might be a wolf, or might be an overzealous vigilante, or might have a power unrelated to murder and they're just unlucky that wolves targeted Murska the same night that Yako redirected Double A to Murska, or maybe Yako is lying for some reason. There's potential explanations for why Double A might not be a wolf, but regardless of whether Double A is or isn't, it's almost certain that either Yako or Choxorn is definitely one, and we need to figure that out first.

The way I see it, if Choxorn flips wolf, then tomorrow we test Double A unless they can be really convincing as to why we shouldn't, but at least for me that'll be a tough sell. And if Choxorn flips villager, then tomorrow we hang Yako, and have a discussion on whether we trust that they were lying about one thing and telling the truth on another. But right now, Choxorn is the best choice.

 

[topsecret]

I'm an idiot.

I just blabbed the following to my last remaining house-mate, and that means they are likely a scum.

I can no longer win the secondary win condition, as I am of house telvanni.

However, I find it reasonable to assume that every house has a single infiltrator among them, which means I found 1 with reasonable certainty (vote: choxorn.)

I redirected doubleA onto murska last night, and was told my action was successful. I had no idea what I was redirecting at the time, but I assumed I would get an answer from murska at dawn.

I can study a player during the day and pick their target at night, or if i did not study a target, i randomly redirect their action onto a different target, not including myself.

I don't know for sure if doubleA's action was a killing one, but I know what I did, and I know that his target is dead.

Make use of that information as you will.

Interesting. I would love to hear what Choxorn has to say.

Also, there's exactly one player, who probably isn't a seer, who knows identity of one vampire (the last villager of Telvanni).

What does the above mean, pzelda? For some reason I don't comprehend this paragraph. Maybe I am just being dense.

I'll vote: doubleA. There is a reasonable suspicion on him, and if this helps him explain it will be all the better.

What are your thoughts on Choxorn/Yako?

We're in a situation where we have one or two wolves potentially on the chopping block. Double A might be a wolf, or might be an overzealous vigilante, or might have a power unrelated to murder and they're just unlucky that wolves targeted Murska the same night that Yako redirected Double A to Murska, or maybe Yako is lying for some reason. There's potential explanations for why Double A might not be a wolf, but regardless of whether Double A is or isn't, it's almost certain that either Yako or Choxorn is definitely one, and we need to figure that out first.

The way I see it, if Choxorn flips wolf, then tomorrow we test Double A unless they can be really convincing as to why we shouldn't, but at least for me that'll be a tough sell. And if Choxorn flips villager, then tomorrow we hang Yako, and have a discussion on whether we trust that they were lying about one thing and telling the truth on another. But right now, Choxorn is the best choice.

I tend to agree with this. It is possible that Double A is completely innocent - we just don't know. However, things look bad for Choxorn.

Choxorn, what sayest thou?

 

[topsecret]

I am going to vote:Choxorn until he shows up. Then I will make a final decision. That should help prevent a vote flip if he is a vampire.

 

[Beroli]

I believe what pzelda is saying is that:
Assumption 1: Each House started with four members.
Assumption 2: Each House has one vampire infiltrator.
If Assumption 1 and 2 are true, then it follows that the non-vampiric member of House Telvanni knows that the other surviving member of House Telvanni can only be a vampire.

I'm not opposed to killing choxorn.

 

[JohannaK]

I do think that it is a flip between Chox and Yako: either of them, if they are indeed the last two of their House, could be that house's vampire, assuming (as is reasonable) that every house has a vampire.

 

[pzelda]

I believe what pzelda is saying is that:
Assumption 1: Each House started with four members.
Assumption 2: Each House has one vampire infiltrator.
If Assumption 1 and 2 are true, then it follows that the non-vampiric member of House Telvanni knows that the other surviving member of House Telvanni can only be a vampire.

I'm not opposed to killing choxorn.

Yes, basically. I read yak's comment in the middle of making my own.
Also, with Yak's outing the rest of players got an extra information, members of the third house. This will be interesting tomorrow.
The information we got rn is that there's a wolf in yak/CHOXORN. It's very likely chox as yak wouldn't have a reason to add the information about DoubleA otherwise ( who I believe have a big chance of flipping wolf too). Wolf yak would get lynched right after Chox and this information wouldn't be taken in account.

Ofc the design might be more complicated than that with Vampires not being divided equally. But, that would be unfair as the house with 2 or 3 vampires would have a lower chance to achieve a victory. So, I think that the assumption of one wolf in every house is correct.

 

[Arakhor]

There's now a little over two hours until midday.

 

[Takhisis]

I'm an idiot.

I just blabbed the following to my last remaining house-mate, and that means they are likely a scum.

I can no longer win the secondary win condition, as I am of house telvanni.

However, I find it reasonable to assume that every house has a single infiltrator among them, which means I found 1 with reasonable certainty (vote: choxorn.)

I redirected doubleA onto murska last night, and was told my action was successful. I had no idea what I was redirecting at the time, but I assumed I would get an answer from murska at dawn.

I can study a player during the day and pick their target at night, or if i did not study a target, i randomly redirect their action onto a different target, not including myself.

I don't know for sure if doubleA's action was a killing one, but I know what I did, and I know that his target is dead.

Make use of that information as you will.

So… a) you redirected DoubleA onto Murska and Murska died and Double A is being even more reticent to post than usual… so voteoubleA would be the killer.
And b) you told this to choxorn, which makes him mafia… well, if we can certainly prove that there is exactly one scummioso in each house, with no exceptions. I don't think Arakhor would stick to such a predictable pattern.

 

[Takhisis]

Oh, ffs.

vote: DoubleA

 

[AvatarKhepri]

So… a) you redirected DoubleA onto Murska and Murska died and Double A is being even more reticent to post than usual… so voteoubleA would be the killer.
And b) you told this to choxorn, which makes him mafia… well, if we can certainly prove that there is exactly one scummioso in each house, with no exceptions. I don't think Arakhor would stick to such a predictable pattern.

The reason we're assuming there's one vamp per house is because otherwise that house's villagers are disadvantaged.

 

[Arakhor]

It is now midday. Day orders are locked.

Midday vote tally:

Choxorn: Yakostovian, AvatarKhepri, Pzelda, Rakkoon, Topsecret
DoubleA: JohannaK, Beroli, Takhisis
Beroli: DoubleA

Not voting: Choxorn