Nikita Khruschev

[luiz]

That's right, they tell the largest country on earth that they're an evil empire.

Which it was... and today they rather outcompete each other on how to please the chinese more.

But there are no "capitalist leaders" in the sense that there were "communist leaders". Capitalism is not a movement like communism was, there are no "capitalist revolutionaries".

What is more, capitalists don't look at any "capitalist leaders" for guidance. The leaders of the Soviet Union, OTOH, were very much the "presidents of communism". Communists throughout the world were loyal to Russia, usually more than to their own countries, for much of the existence of the USSR (it later grew discredited, obviously, but during WW2 communists from Europe, Latin America and the USA usually followed whatever Stalin told them like serfs - "Germany is evil! Oh no, Germnay is peaceful, Britain and France are evil warmongers! Hey wait, Germany is the ultimate evil, it must be stopped by any means!"

A good communist does not have an opinion, he should follow the Party line. So when the Party or its leader says something moronic like Kruschev did, we humans with an opinion of our own are entitled to mock the communists. Capiche?

 

[holy king]

this story sounds shocking, luiz!

 

[RedRalph]

Which it was... and today they rather outcompete each other on how to please the chinese more.

But there are no "capitalist leaders" in the sense that there were "communist leaders". Capitalism is not a movement like communism was, there are no "capitalist revolutionaries".

What is more, capitalists don't look at any "capitalist leaders" for guidance. The leaders of the Soviet Union, OTOH, were very much the "presidents of communism". Communists throughout the world were loyal to Russia, usually more than to their own countries, for much of the existence of the USSR (it later grew discredited, obviously, but during WW2 communists from Europe, Latin America and the USA usually followed whatever Stalin told them like serfs - "Germany is evil! Oh no, Germnay is peaceful, Britain and France are evil warmongers! Hey wait, Germany is the ultimate evil, it must be stopped by any means!"

A good communist does not have an opinion, he should follow the Party line. So when the Party or its leader says something moronic like Kruschev did, we humans with an opinion of our own are entitled to mock the communists. Capiche?

I wish you had told all the communists that, we could have avoided the billion or so splits that have plagued the socialist movement since its first inception.

I sort of make you look stupid here, dont I?

 

[holy king]

he doesnt need you.

 

[say1988]

And old Nikita once said "we will bury you" to the capitalist world

He did? That just makes that line so much better. I never realized it had a historical background when playing Red Alert 2. BTW, anybody remember what unit says that?

 

[Dachs]

He did? That just makes that line so much better. I never realized it had a historical background when playing Red Alert 2. BTW, anybody remember what unit says that?

Rhino Tanks do, but they modify it to "We will bury them". RA2 is one of my favorite games of all time.

 

[luiz]

I wish you had told all the communists that, we could have avoided the billion or so splits that have plagued the socialist movement since its first inception.

I sort of make you look stupid here, dont I?

No, you just demonstrate your poor reading skills. Which is kind of understandable. Note the use of the term "good communist". Obviously not all communists were good; some refused to follow party line. And for that they were ostracized (when not murdered) and accused of being fascists, imperialists, baby killers and whatnot.

What I said applies entirely to mainstream communism, as exemplified by the Communist Party of the USA, of Brazil, and basically everywhere. They did first portray Germany as evil, then as innocent peace-lovers attacked by evil imperialistic France and Britain, and then as the ultimate evil the world ever saw as soon as they attacked their Moscow masters.

Having an opinion of your own was not exactly something that Lenin and Stalin wanted in their minions.

As a sidenote, does holy king ever add anything to a discussion? Really, has he ever?

 

[holy king]

i add to the discussion the view that your view of "communist zombie drones all around the globe" is ridiculous.

isnt that something?

 

[RedRalph]

I wonder how might history have been different had the virgin lands program been handled properly and actually worked?