No Americas map??

[Zenon_pt]

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a) Aside from knowing where Brazil is at, the Portuguese would then confuse Bolivia with Peru, Colombia with Venezuela, etc.

b) I can tell you with certainty that most Spaniards barely know any of the nations that became independent from them. Moreover, the royalty still sees them as colonies.

c) The Canada-Peru flag confusion constantly happens. It's the Canadian's fault, though. Peru's flag is older.

a) Not a change. Like r_rolo1 said, there are great portuguese communit there in Venezuela.

b) Perhaps it is a matter of LOST pride. But I think they know here is Cuba, Colombia, Venezuela (purque ñ te calas ), Argentina, Mexico, et all.

c) I think the leaf says it all.

 

[Lord Ben]

I like the Americas map better than most randoms in Col because it just makes sense. There isn't one single random desert square in the middle of the grasslands, etc.

It's a problem I have with Civ IV too, but I deal with it easily enough....

 

[GeneralN20]

Not a change. Like r_rolo1 said, there are great portuguese communit there in Venezuela.

And yet they would still confuse Venezuela and Colombia.

I mean, you can know the name, but the location is often a problem for people.

I once met a guy who though Czechoslovakia, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia still all existed in Europe. He even pointed their locations out and tried to make me seem like the stupid one.

People are just like that...

But I think they know here is Cuba, Colombia, Venezuela (purque ñ te calas ), Argentina, Mexico, et all.

I bet they know the names, but not their locations.

c) I think the leaf says it all.

The Peruvian shield looks nicer than the leaf.

 

[cephalo]

I like the Americas map better than most randoms in Col because it just makes sense. There isn't one single random desert square in the middle of the grasslands, etc.

It's a problem I have with Civ IV too, but I deal with it easily enough....

If a map script is done well, it's nice to have no pre-knowledge of the map. Check out PerfectWorld(link in my sig) I suspect it might be what you're looking for in a random map. The link is to the download, but in the description theres a link to a thread with some screenshots.

 

[MadMaligor]

It was good to hear from Mr. Shafer that premades are in. Like many of you out there, playing on an Americas map is a part of the game that I feel should be included. I know Jon didnt specify that a historicaly representative map was included, but if the devs have a decent reason for not including one, I can stomach the ommision. As I said before, there are some fantastic modders out there (some of you reading this now) and as a community, we can take care of ourselves if neccessary. I have a feeling though that they are aware that its a huge risk to put out a game like this and not have a historic map. As a reviewer, the first thing I would look for would be to play on such a map.

I would like to say to Jon though, if hes still reading. Take a nice fresh box of donuts and place it strategically in a central location near the cubicles of those working on C4:C, then while the natural migration of the herd moves to consume the bait, quickly peruse through some PC's and email us some more screen shots. Maybe a picture or two of some of the maps we might see

Oh and just a note. Im not sure how many of you still play the original, but even the Americas maps had some random placement of bonus tiles and such. Starting locations were also a bit random, though it depends more on the difficulty level than a true random drop. So no game is ever quite the same and I often place cities in different strategic locations.

Well all this talk has me itching for a game so I think I will go have at the Spaniards with some Veteran Dutch dragoons.

MM

 

[Chuggi]

There will be a number of pre-made maps included with the game, so you guys don't need to worry.

Jon

Great news!

Someone should probably update the first post with this!

 

[Stormreaver]

I know the truth hurts, but the facts always come to show that the average person is...well...stupid. Most of the Europeans I've met fit that description like a hand in a glove; with the exception from my friends. The average person from America (the continent) is just as stupid about Europe and the rest of the world.

The average Civilization/Colonization player on the other hand is a truly different matter. Or should I say the average CFC poster?

 

[jsweeney]

who would play this series of games if they didnt have the slightest notion of the world's nations? i mean, how confusing would it be for someone playing and meeting countries they've never heard of, because, even if you start playing the game, after a while you will be use to the other nations because of their descriptions in civlopedia, or anything else.

 

[jsweeney]

who would play this series of games if they didnt have the slightest notion of the world's nations? i mean, how confusing would it be for someone playing and meeting countries they've never heard of, because, even if you start playing the game, after a while you will be use to the other nations because of their descriptions in civlopedia, or anything else.

 

[Lubricus]

At least most of us long-time civ fanatics will have a decent understanding of the world map, and that should matter. It is never a good thing to expect people to be ignorant...

 

[TheLastOne36]

I highly doubt that Portuguese would confuse Venezuela with Colombia, given that a 1 million of Portuguese and Portuguese descendants live in Venezuela ( I have some family there )...

But I'm really not the "average" ( whatever that means ) person regarding maps ( I can draw a quite accurate world map from memory )... so I'll not talk of myself

Really? Where do they live? I have relatives in Merida.

Also same with me for the second part of your post.

 

[TheLastOne36]

And yet they would still confuse Venezuela and Colombia.

I mean, you can know the name, but the location is often a problem for people.

I once met a guy who though Czechoslovakia, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia still all existed in Europe. He even pointed their locations out and tried to make me seem like the stupid one.

People are just like that...



I bet they know the names, but not their locations.



The Peruvian shield looks nicer than the leaf.

Stop making this arguement against europeans. That knowledge only works against americans.

 

[r_rolo1]

Really? Where do they live? I have relatives in Merida.

I have a cousin in Caracas ( his parents and brothers already came back some years ago ) and some more distant relatives in Maracaibo....

 

[Drakan]

And now here's my question - WHY DIDN'T THEY ADD PORTUGAL TO 'CREATE' BRAZIL?

In the original game Portugal was not included. This is just a revamp of the original.

 

[CyberChrist]

In the original game Portugal was not included. This is just a revamp of the original.

Except of course that they have changed quite a few other aspects (leaders, founding fathers, diplomacy etc.) and even included entirely new features (Constitution). So it is certainly not just a revamp of the original - and even if it was it would still be a good opportunity to correct a much criticized omission (and grave historical error).

 

[petcarcharodon]

In my school half my class didn't know where Britain was...

 

[Lubricus]

In my school half my class didn't know where Britain was...

You live in the US, right? I can't think of any other country where that could be the case... But anyway, even though people around the world are largely ignorant about geography, those interested in games like Colonization might not be. And I hope the fact that some of us are quite knowledgable might mean something to the developers...

 

[petcarcharodon]

You live in the US, right? I can't think of any other country where that could be the case...

I think it's mostly the fact that I'm surrounded by idiots...

 

[Lubricus]

I think it's mostly the fact that I'm surrounded by idiots...

You have my sympathy, then!

 

[Old MacDonald]

There are some screens at Gamer.no.

South America:
http://prisguide.gamer.no/product.php?productId=96982&view=images&imageId=506227#506227

An NA-map:
http://prisguide.gamer.no/product.php?productId=96982&view=images&imageId=506227#506223