Noble's Club
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texasnightowl
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Oh...I missed this yesterday. I'm interested!! I have just moved to Noble and I struggle badly with military units and strategy. I have BTS 3.13 but not patched yet. Will do so shortly.
Hi Krick, that's awesome, I had been thinking of doing this just yesterday... For us poor Noble players. I think I'll participate although I already have a game going on and I don't like having 2 at the same time. But we do with what we have, hehe. I'll add a post to Game 1 if I start it, which.. I guess I will.
Also, how does one take screenshots? I pressed the Print Screen button once in the game but it didn't show a "name the screenshot" window, and there was no screenshots in the screenshot folder.
Also, how does one take screenshots? I pressed the Print Screen button once in the game but it didn't show a "name the screenshot" window, and there was no screenshots in the screenshot folder.
It's already been done dear;
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=266562
Yeah, I know the feeling
grandad1982
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I really enjoyed playing the same map as some other people and I think that if I'd been playing on my own I'd probably have ditched this game early on, but as it was I stuck it out and got a fun cultural victory.
So what I want to know is does anyone else want to do this again? I do. The format might need a bit of tweaking to get the max out of the educational side of it but thats something that will evolve as we play no doubt.
Basically lets play more!
So what I want to know is does anyone else want to do this again? I do. The format might need a bit of tweaking to get the max out of the educational side of it but thats something that will evolve as we play no doubt.
Basically lets play more!
I agree, I don't know where the original poster is though? Haven't seen him after the first checkpoint, maybe we should wait for him, or if he wants to pass it to someone else.
Another thing though, this game, I think in the excitement, was played really fast by everybody. I don't think I could keep up with Noble's Club if I had to play 10 hours games every 2-3 days, hehe. Maybe one a week or even two per month would be enough? Some kind of schedule would probably help.
Another thing though, this game, I think in the excitement, was played really fast by everybody. I don't think I could keep up with Noble's Club if I had to play 10 hours games every 2-3 days, hehe. Maybe one a week or even two per month would be enough? Some kind of schedule would probably help.
I'm definatley up for another game, but as mentioned the format could be tweaked a little bit, maybe we should sum up what we thought worked and what didn't, revise the checkpoints, maybe raise the bar to prince?
I agree with slowing it down a little, adding more time for disscusion, especially about the start. with first nobles club game we all just said 'thats a nice looking start' and then got down to business, it would be nice to hear more about peoples initial thoughts, plus it might be nice at some point, maybe after 80ish turns to do dotmaps and compare, I definatley could have placed my cities better and more aggressivly, after seeing other players games.
But it was a very enjoyable game taking part and folloeing other peoples games,
Not sure about krick19, I think he gave up on his game in the end, hopefully he be around for nobles(princes?)club No2.
I agree with slowing it down a little, adding more time for disscusion, especially about the start. with first nobles club game we all just said 'thats a nice looking start' and then got down to business, it would be nice to hear more about peoples initial thoughts, plus it might be nice at some point, maybe after 80ish turns to do dotmaps and compare, I definatley could have placed my cities better and more aggressivly, after seeing other players games.
But it was a very enjoyable game taking part and folloeing other peoples games,
Not sure about krick19, I think he gave up on his game in the end, hopefully he be around for nobles(princes?)club No2.
Bleys
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I also agree about finishing games in "clubs" more than my own casual games, I only posted that I might not finish this one because I felt guilty, heh. I will actually finish it, after conquering Sal and DeGaulle, which should put me over the top for Domination.
I really enjoy games where a group of people play a common map. The Lonely Hearts has become one of my fav games to play each month, simply because its run by a great guy and has a bunch of cool players who also play it. I have learned a TON from guys like BurN, shyue, rolo, etc. Even when players dont do well, there is much to be learned from their (and my own, I am 1 win, 3 losses on Monarch, heh) failures.
I also try the GOTMs and BOTMs (and I still have the current WOTM on my drive, but havent played it). Those come with specific difficulties though, and no re-loading is allowed, so it can be harder. I almost beat Vanilla Emp with Qin last month though, I felt I was going to win right up until HC launched his ship. If I could have gotten one more Golden Age to produce parts, I woulda HAD it, heh.
Personally, I have oodles of free time, so any schedule is fine for me. We can even keep the name "Nobles Club" but play Prince, heh, since Nobles Club sounds better than Prince Club. I didnt see a single game played here that couldnt have done very well on Prince, though. You guys are ready, trust me.
Some of you should check out the Lonely Hearts. rolo offers saves at all levels, and its amazing how much you can learn. Being isolated creates a very dynamic situation for various strategies that can be translated into regular games, just developing a bit slower. To be honest, I got my GLH-Colossus idea from the Hannibal game, his UB is a Harbor, and it was AMAZING how much power the Trade Route Economy had in that game. It was so strong I specifically LOOK for such opportunities now, hence my choice to play it in this game with its winding landmass, tons of coastal tiles, but not a lot of actual Ocean tiles. Worked like a charm too.
So if we stick to the easier leaders to leverage, leaders with SPI, FIN, IND, CRE, even PRO for turtles (my respect has gone way up for PRO leaders, especially drafting Rifles with massive upgrades out of the box in a city with HE and some settled GGs in this months Gilga LHC), and play Prince to adjust to the "faster pace of the AI" so to speak (pace is the biggest adjustment in moving up, IMHO, the AIs get things faster each level, so you have to streamline your own pace) I think it could be very successful indeed. I will most definitely play a monthly or bi-monthly Prince Club thing.
I really enjoy games where a group of people play a common map. The Lonely Hearts has become one of my fav games to play each month, simply because its run by a great guy and has a bunch of cool players who also play it. I have learned a TON from guys like BurN, shyue, rolo, etc. Even when players dont do well, there is much to be learned from their (and my own, I am 1 win, 3 losses on Monarch, heh) failures.
I also try the GOTMs and BOTMs (and I still have the current WOTM on my drive, but havent played it). Those come with specific difficulties though, and no re-loading is allowed, so it can be harder. I almost beat Vanilla Emp with Qin last month though, I felt I was going to win right up until HC launched his ship. If I could have gotten one more Golden Age to produce parts, I woulda HAD it, heh.
Personally, I have oodles of free time, so any schedule is fine for me. We can even keep the name "Nobles Club" but play Prince, heh, since Nobles Club sounds better than Prince Club. I didnt see a single game played here that couldnt have done very well on Prince, though. You guys are ready, trust me.
Some of you should check out the Lonely Hearts. rolo offers saves at all levels, and its amazing how much you can learn. Being isolated creates a very dynamic situation for various strategies that can be translated into regular games, just developing a bit slower. To be honest, I got my GLH-Colossus idea from the Hannibal game, his UB is a Harbor, and it was AMAZING how much power the Trade Route Economy had in that game. It was so strong I specifically LOOK for such opportunities now, hence my choice to play it in this game with its winding landmass, tons of coastal tiles, but not a lot of actual Ocean tiles. Worked like a charm too.
So if we stick to the easier leaders to leverage, leaders with SPI, FIN, IND, CRE, even PRO for turtles (my respect has gone way up for PRO leaders, especially drafting Rifles with massive upgrades out of the box in a city with HE and some settled GGs in this months Gilga LHC), and play Prince to adjust to the "faster pace of the AI" so to speak (pace is the biggest adjustment in moving up, IMHO, the AIs get things faster each level, so you have to streamline your own pace) I think it could be very successful indeed. I will most definitely play a monthly or bi-monthly Prince Club thing.
grandad1982
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I deffinately agree about the pace! I pulled some late nights to get finished in this time! Two games a month sounds pretty good to me. Also more and shorter rounds would facilitate more disscusion, and contol the pace a little bit.
I agree about seeing what Krick19 thinks too.
I agree about seeing what Krick19 thinks too.
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I had fun too. I wouldnt mind doing another one but probably wont if it is prince noble is still very hard for me. Dropping to epic instead of marathon was already like jumping up a level hehe. I do agree checks could be better.
Myabe just make em so if you feel like its a good place for one you stop and post about it.
And maybe a secend "spoilers" thread for people who want advice and can ask and show screenies and stuff and talk about game more without having to put everything in spoilers tags. That way people who dont want to look to far ahead can avoid it.
I know it would be helpful for me. I still have NOO clue how everybody did so well with getting cities out so FAST early on. By time I even THOUGHT I was bout ready to make a third city Monty's borders were already crowding me so I dropped those plans and just went after him and never did end up founding more than two :/.
I agree coastal cities helped LOTS specially since I didnt bother making that many cottages hehe. So Lizzy's financial trait got used a bit that way. I just get too focused on wanting hammers hammers hammers so I end up making more farms to use more mines which is probably not best way to go.
I still didnt use her traits very well I dont think. Like she is philo and I NEVER built nat epic anywhere. Again mostly because I was more worried about hammers so the two cities that would have been best for Nat epic didnt have room. My cap I left space for ironworks and it was also my best science city so it got Oxford too and my next best city needed maori for hammers and it was my best commerce city so it got wall street. AFter that there wasnt really anyplace that I thought nat epic would have helped so it never got made whole game :/.
Things like that I need to work on better.
Kaytie
I had fun too. I wouldnt mind doing another one but probably wont if it is prince noble is still very hard for me. Dropping to epic instead of marathon was already like jumping up a level hehe. I do agree checks could be better.
Myabe just make em so if you feel like its a good place for one you stop and post about it.
And maybe a secend "spoilers" thread for people who want advice and can ask and show screenies and stuff and talk about game more without having to put everything in spoilers tags. That way people who dont want to look to far ahead can avoid it.
I know it would be helpful for me. I still have NOO clue how everybody did so well with getting cities out so FAST early on. By time I even THOUGHT I was bout ready to make a third city Monty's borders were already crowding me so I dropped those plans and just went after him and never did end up founding more than two :/.
I agree coastal cities helped LOTS specially since I didnt bother making that many cottages hehe. So Lizzy's financial trait got used a bit that way. I just get too focused on wanting hammers hammers hammers so I end up making more farms to use more mines which is probably not best way to go.
I still didnt use her traits very well I dont think. Like she is philo and I NEVER built nat epic anywhere. Again mostly because I was more worried about hammers so the two cities that would have been best for Nat epic didnt have room. My cap I left space for ironworks and it was also my best science city so it got Oxford too and my next best city needed maori for hammers and it was my best commerce city so it got wall street. AFter that there wasnt really anyplace that I thought nat epic would have helped so it never got made whole game :/.
Things like that I need to work on better.
Kaytie
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Whoah there, you need to build National Epic in your highest food surplus city in a cultural game, it doubles your GPP points and it gives Great Artist points! Always look for a high food site (a couple of hills helps as well to get it built). Normally great artist points "pollution" is a problem but not in a culture game.
Ironworks on the other hand... not really worth bothering with. I don't think I even teched to steel last culture win... although with Monty as a neighbour as you guys and gals had I suppose military is definitely needed.
Ironworks on the other hand... not really worth bothering with. I don't think I even teched to steel last culture win... although with Monty as a neighbour as you guys and gals had I suppose military is definitely needed.
There's nothing wrong with that. Take a glance at the one of the saves from my game, and you'll see a distinct lack of cottages (the ones I did build were only meant to be temporary, but I kept forgetting to farm over them), and a whole lot of farms and workshops/mines.
Specialists, trade routes, and naturally commerce-rich tiles (inc. coasts if you're Financial) can handle the sciencey side of things. Often, the best way is to alternate between periods of research/GP generation, and periods of military and/or infrastructure production. The anarchy from civic changes can be a problem (unless you're Spiritual - that trait is unsurpassed for this approach imo), so you'll need to plan ahead, and use your Golden Ages wisely.
What you can't afford to do is have your cities generating the maximum possible hammers at all times. You either need to have:
(i) mixed production/science cities (the weakest choice imo)
(ii) cities that can switch between production and science
(iii) two distinct classes of city - some pure production, some pure science.
(iv) some combination of the above
(Generally, with a farm-based economy, I'll go for (ii), but with a few highly specialised production or science/gold cities. With a cottage-based economy, it's always (iii) for me. In either case, having at least one city that spends most of its time generating GP points is very important.)
You also need to make sure you don't restrict your cities' growth by working too many hammer tiles (or specialists) rather than food ones. This is something I did a bad job of in my game - in my rush to get temples and cathedrals built, new cities settled, and GPs generated, I neglected to let my cities grow as large as they should have been.
Bleys
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Those look solid to me. Remember guys, keep it simple for the "masses". You can always do more updates individually, but if you keep it simple, we are likely to get more players.
Always remember to post in spoilers though, thats important, and define whats in the spoiler above it, like:
2000 BC, my first War:
Also, just so we can start getting on the right track, I am copying this post into the "other" thread. This thread was supposed to be for the Elizabeth game, and here we are talking general Noble Club business!
EDIT: well thats confusing in this context, LOL, but I think you get my meaning. So are we ready? Have we decided on a format as far as level/speed? Prince/Epic is my vote, seems the most "generic" to me.
Always remember to post in spoilers though, thats important, and define whats in the spoiler above it, like:
2000 BC, my first War:
Spoiler :
Also, just so we can start getting on the right track, I am copying this post into the "other" thread. This thread was supposed to be for the Elizabeth game, and here we are talking general Noble Club business!
EDIT: well thats confusing in this context, LOL, but I think you get my meaning. So are we ready? Have we decided on a format as far as level/speed? Prince/Epic is my vote, seems the most "generic" to me.
Bleys
Deity
BTW, I highly support either Ramses, Gandhi, Willem, Hatty or Louis, since IND, SPI, CRE and FIN are the easiest traits to play, especially since some of you feel you arent ready for Prince (although I really really think you are).
Good call moving this discussion over here,
Checkpoints are fine, I vote for prince/epic too. Prince is a hump I need to get over and this is the best place to do it!
Any leader is fine by me, from the ones listed I'd like a shot at Ramses or gandhi.
I also think keeping it to one thread for now is best, its gonna get too complicated! and I agree Bleys lets keep this as simple a possible to make it easier for new players to join in. So please anyone out there interested please chip in experts/newbies alike.
Well... I'm good to go whenever.
Checkpoints are fine, I vote for prince/epic too. Prince is a hump I need to get over and this is the best place to do it!
Any leader is fine by me, from the ones listed I'd like a shot at Ramses or gandhi.
I also think keeping it to one thread for now is best, its gonna get too complicated! and I agree Bleys lets keep this as simple a possible to make it easier for new players to join in. So please anyone out there interested please chip in experts/newbies alike.
Well... I'm good to go whenever.
