Sir Janus
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@Krick19: Might be a good idea to also put the link in your opening post of the thread. The OP could then form an index of the games so that people don't have to search through all the posts.
Noble's Club
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@Krick19: Might be a good idea to also put the link in your opening post of the thread. The OP could then form an index of the games so that people don't have to search through all the posts.
grandad1982
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I'd be happy with Ramesses. Would love to use some war chariots - playing a bit of RTW at the moment and the Egyptians keep nailing my army!
I'm easy with the dificulty setting though maybe I'd be slightly more up for prince - got to bust the hump at some point. For me the most important setting is the speed, I just can't handle normal! Epic is fine - even I find Marathon a bit much at times!
As for map settings I think maybe continents so if we go conquest or domination we get to have some early wars and some late intercontinetal wars. I'm already wonering if it'll go to nukes. I hope so!! I may focus on getting them at the end game as there so pretty!
Also the checkpoint seem pretty good to me, though I'd support another one after 1000AD but before victory - thats still one large chunk of play left!
Lets get this puppy rolling!!!
I'm easy with the dificulty setting though maybe I'd be slightly more up for prince - got to bust the hump at some point. For me the most important setting is the speed, I just can't handle normal! Epic is fine - even I find Marathon a bit much at times!
As for map settings I think maybe continents so if we go conquest or domination we get to have some early wars and some late intercontinetal wars. I'm already wonering if it'll go to nukes. I hope so!! I may focus on getting them at the end game as there so pretty!
Also the checkpoint seem pretty good to me, though I'd support another one after 1000AD but before victory - thats still one large chunk of play left!
Lets get this puppy rolling!!!
grandad1982
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I'm still happy to play nobel! I just feel with you guys supporting me - and each other - we can do better than we expect.
I'm happy with whatever, this club is all about Noble players improving their game to a stage where they can play the next level. so it makes sense even if some people want to play at prince to still post a noble save, then new players can join in too.
I have never beaten prince
but really want to give it a go. I think the reason I always lose is because I give up 
but the last game showed me to never give up, It was an easyish win once I got over the frustrating start. Playing along with everyone else, sharing their frustrations as the game unfolded really helps.
With victory in mind, maybe continents/hemispheres if we go the domination route so we get a little naval war action going on.
But for conquest, I don't know how other people feel but a pangea might be better, I really suck at conquest so this could just be me!
So lets get this game going!!!
PS - If we do post two saves, I don't mind converting the start to Prince through worldbuilder/scenario however... Does anyone out there know if this will effect the AI's bonuses? I know they don't get any free techs, but they do start with a free scout, will they still get that if the start has been world buildered up to prince?
I have never beaten prince
but really want to give it a go. I think the reason I always lose is because I give up but the last game showed me to never give up, It was an easyish win once I got over the frustrating start. Playing along with everyone else, sharing their frustrations as the game unfolded really helps.With victory in mind, maybe continents/hemispheres if we go the domination route so we get a little naval war action going on.
But for conquest, I don't know how other people feel but a pangea might be better, I really suck at conquest so this could just be me!
So lets get this game going!!!
PS - If we do post two saves, I don't mind converting the start to Prince through worldbuilder/scenario however... Does anyone out there know if this will effect the AI's bonuses? I know they don't get any free techs, but they do start with a free scout, will they still get that if the start has been world buildered up to prince?
Bleys
Deity
Dont underestimate yourself Krick. I firmly believe that JUST reading these boards on a regular basis, you gain enough knowledge to compete very well on Prince level, by sheer osmosis. Noble is a solid learning level, perfect for getting a feel for the interface, the buildings, the basic tech tree structure, etc. However, once you achieve those early understandings, you are only hurting your game by playing at a lower level.
On Prince with a leader like Ramses, you can still make mistakes and you wont get demolished. You can build lots of wonders, and you will almost invariably out-tech the AI simply by playing. Extreme micromanagement isnt really required, although you do want to have some basic skills, like City Specialization, GPP understanding, reasonable tech judgment, etc. And by basic, I mean that you know enough to make the easy choices, and not worry about the super-advanced specialization.
And no offense to you Krick, but ultimately, I would really prefer if one of the more advanced guys who follow this thread make the game. Maybe Rolo, or Paradigm, or Winston. I think they would be a better judge of the start and the maps potential for the best "instructional" purposes. One BIG problem we had with the first game was having a mega-hyper AI leader like Monty right in our backyard. Most of us managed it fine, but had it been Prince, there is a chance someone would have gotten smashed, or at the very least crippled enough that they wouldnt be able to make a solid comeback. Rolo has his hands full trying to figure out the RPC he already runs, though, heck, maybe I can even have a go, I think its a fairly simple thing to create a scenario that will fit our narrow choices, which are:
Option of Noble or Prince
Choice of speed
No pre-knowledge of the opponent AIs (you can see ALL the AIs when you turn a save into a scenario).
I will have a look and see if I can handle it, and get a save up ASAP (unless one of the others I mentioned, or someone else who understands scenario building, wants to volunteer)
On Prince with a leader like Ramses, you can still make mistakes and you wont get demolished. You can build lots of wonders, and you will almost invariably out-tech the AI simply by playing. Extreme micromanagement isnt really required, although you do want to have some basic skills, like City Specialization, GPP understanding, reasonable tech judgment, etc. And by basic, I mean that you know enough to make the easy choices, and not worry about the super-advanced specialization.
And no offense to you Krick, but ultimately, I would really prefer if one of the more advanced guys who follow this thread make the game. Maybe Rolo, or Paradigm, or Winston. I think they would be a better judge of the start and the maps potential for the best "instructional" purposes. One BIG problem we had with the first game was having a mega-hyper AI leader like Monty right in our backyard. Most of us managed it fine, but had it been Prince, there is a chance someone would have gotten smashed, or at the very least crippled enough that they wouldnt be able to make a solid comeback. Rolo has his hands full trying to figure out the RPC he already runs, though, heck, maybe I can even have a go, I think its a fairly simple thing to create a scenario that will fit our narrow choices, which are:
Option of Noble or Prince
Choice of speed
No pre-knowledge of the opponent AIs (you can see ALL the AIs when you turn a save into a scenario).
I will have a look and see if I can handle it, and get a save up ASAP (unless one of the others I mentioned, or someone else who understands scenario building, wants to volunteer)
Hey guys I just recently started playing Civ again and I wanted to introduce myself to the noble's club (I think I'm going to be here a while 
) I used to be able to win on Noble but since I restarted I haven't had much luck. I'm not sure if it's rust or all the changes from the expansions but I even lost NC1 Elizabeth 
Anyway I look forward to the next game and now that I registered I'll try to participate a little more.
) I used to be able to win on Noble but since I restarted I haven't had much luck. I'm not sure if it's rust or all the changes from the expansions but I even lost NC1 Elizabeth Anyway I look forward to the next game and now that I registered I'll try to participate a little more.
Having a choice of Noble and Prince makes sense for a "Nobles' Club" I guess, considering playing Noble is trying to be good enough at it to get to the next level... But I wouldn't want the apparition of Prince to scare away people. But I think Noble and Prince games could be comparable in terms of strategy so it wouldn't be a problem when comparing games?...
If the games are available in both Noble and Prince, do they become "scenarios" that I can easily load with my graphics mod?
Also, yeah, we probably need someone who is addicted to posting on these boards as the manager of the Nobles' Club, without wanting to take anything away from your contribution Krick. Actually, it's probably a good thing for you that you actually have a life 
Welcome RgnCajun, I hope you stick around for the next game. Are you a real cajun? If so, we must share some New France blood
If the games are available in both Noble and Prince, do they become "scenarios" that I can easily load with my graphics mod?
Also, yeah, we probably need someone who is addicted to posting on these boards as the manager of the Nobles' Club, without wanting to take anything away from your contribution Krick
. Actually, it's probably a good thing for you that you actually have a life Welcome RgnCajun, I hope you stick around for the next game. Are you a real cajun? If so, we must share some New France blood
Krick19
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Well, I think that if we all decide on prince, we should put prince up for the next one. If you guys really want to make this a scenario, then I guess you can do it. I, however, am going to play a nice game with Ramesses myself on Noble, cuz I don't feel like/don't want to fix something up right now (and I don't want to wait).
dalamb
Deity
I meant to join in earlier, but have been offline too much lately, so these comments may be too late to influence anything, but here goes:
- I don't think I'm ready to cope with Prince yet, so if it goes to a "just Prince" format I'd have to stay out. The xOTMs are enough masochism for me!
- Personally I'd have trouble playing on anything but Epic -- the LHC/Normal was disconcerting.
- I've got so used to the HOF mod, with its warnings of cities about to grow, to go unhappy, to go unhealthy, that I'm making too many mistakes without it. Are people willing to switch to using that mod in these games?
- I've seen 2 sorts of follow-along-with-others games:
- xOTM and LHC and nobles-so-far, with major checkpoints where everyone reports in.
- "personal" games where one person starts, asking for advice at whatever points seem appropriate, with saves posted for others to "echo" -- like various role-playing challenge games.
- In particular, I'm a little leery of a multi-difficulty game: can someone who can barely master Noble learn much from discussion that mixes Noble with Prince and higher levels?
- At the moment I'm particularly interested in trying to learn to warmonger, which for me is likely the single biggest barrier to working at higher levels, where the advice seems to be that you have to fight a few early wars to have much chance of winning. I'm currently trying "early" warmongering with leaders/civs good in the ancient era, but eventually want to do later ones too. I've made abortive starts a couple of times, and think it would be easier to keep going if there were a few others doing the same. If I re-start one more time, is there anyone else interesting in participating?
I think keeping it at Prince/Noble would keep it relatively helpful for everybody. There seems to be an equal amount of people who want to play Noble and Prince, and I'm sure they can help each others...
If I understood well, if someone creates the game as a scenario, you can play it with the HOF mod or pretty much any mod if you want... But I'm no expert on that.
If I understood well, if someone creates the game as a scenario, you can play it with the HOF mod or pretty much any mod if you want... But I'm no expert on that.
Bleys
Deity
I have a post in the Creations and Customization thread asking what I need to do to offer everyone their choice of level and speed, and this will allow everyone to play their favorite mod as well.
I think having people play both Noble and Prince will be fine. After all, in the LHC we have everyone from Prince to Immortal and it works out. Just keep any game specific info in spoilers, and it will be very workable, I think. In fact, if you are specifically asking for advice at a point, make note of that above the spoiler, so that other folks playing wont read the questions. Request responses be made in spoilers as well, and think the thread will flow nicely.
Rolo just put up a new LHC, and the new BOTM just went up as well, and I plan to play both of those as well as whichever game we do here. I will talk to rolo about how to build our scenario, I think ours is much simpler, and you will actually download a Scenario file (just a WB file I think) instead of an actual save and load it through your favorite MODs Scenario menu, which will allow you to choose your favorite level and speed of game.
I think having people play both Noble and Prince will be fine. After all, in the LHC we have everyone from Prince to Immortal and it works out. Just keep any game specific info in spoilers, and it will be very workable, I think. In fact, if you are specifically asking for advice at a point, make note of that above the spoiler, so that other folks playing wont read the questions. Request responses be made in spoilers as well, and think the thread will flow nicely.
Rolo just put up a new LHC, and the new BOTM just went up as well, and I plan to play both of those as well as whichever game we do here. I will talk to rolo about how to build our scenario, I think ours is much simpler, and you will actually download a Scenario file (just a WB file I think) instead of an actual save and load it through your favorite MODs Scenario menu, which will allow you to choose your favorite level and speed of game.
r_rolo1
King of myself
Ok, as I told bleys in the LHC , I can do the save, but I need a precise shoplist: Settings, Adversaries that you want/don't want , you know the drill....
Bleys
Deity
OK I will take it upon myself to offer the list for this one, so folks can get to playing as soon as possible, but for future ones, we can have more discussion:
Ramses II
Hemispheres, 2, with regular Islands
No Monty, SB, DeGaulle, Freddy or Saladin on our Hemi (on other hemi is ok, I think, since contact wont come until Optics, and no war til after Astro), since we just played against them nutjobs.
I dont think we need more than that. I want to make it as simple as possible for you, bro, and thank you in advance for this huge favor. If you put the file up on that other server your using for LHC, I will download it myself, and start the new game thread, re-upload the file there myself (I have oodles of room til my limit) with the instructions how to use it, etc. I will also look at the post you made about the changes and have it figured out for our next installment.
Ramses II
Hemispheres, 2, with regular Islands
No Monty, SB, DeGaulle, Freddy or Saladin on our Hemi (on other hemi is ok, I think, since contact wont come until Optics, and no war til after Astro), since we just played against them nutjobs.
I dont think we need more than that. I want to make it as simple as possible for you, bro, and thank you in advance for this huge favor. If you put the file up on that other server your using for LHC, I will download it myself, and start the new game thread, re-upload the file there myself (I have oodles of room til my limit) with the instructions how to use it, etc. I will also look at the post you made about the changes and have it figured out for our next installment.
r_rolo1
King of myself
Ok, will work on it... I'll put something in line in a matter of hours ( hopefully )
While I would love to play ghandi, one of favourite leaders, we have just played a spiritual trait in the last game. I would save him for later.
A creative leader would be good, some suggestions...
Pericles Greek Creative Philosophical
Catherine Russian Creative Imperialistic
I was going to list willem but he annoyed me in the last game,
Charismatic leaders, maybe Cyrus
Cyrus Persian Charismatic Imperialistic
I have a new found love for the charismatic trait and it has great synergy with imperialistic.
I don't really play much with expansive characters, so maybe actually that would be a better one for me from a learning point of view. But always I'm easy going with whichever leader we go for!
As for maps? after the last game with all that space maybe something a bit more clostrophobic, with more civ's on our actual landmass. Not sure what map type to suggest.
grandad1982
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How about pangea, hight sea level, and arid. Thats som clostrophobic lan right there. Maybe not arid though. Then a leader with Exp or Imp. Two traits I under use - especially Imp. Maybe Mehmed II - Exp/Org, nice with his UB and a good UU if you get there fast. Or as Groogaroo says Catherine.
I can't belive I'm thinking about the next game and I haven't finished number 2 yet!
with his UB and a good UU if you get there fast. Or as Groogaroo says Catherine.I can't belive I'm thinking about the next game and I haven't finished number 2 yet!
