Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Cheetah, Nov 3, 2019.
Save the whales!
Thats what the Japanese had to do, Not only dd fisherman halt fishing for a period of five years, many of them worked to repair the habitat damage and then when they resumed fishing formed a collective which set limited sustainable quotas with profit sharing agreement. They had the support of the Japanese government and were able to find other work to support themselves.
I think it is going to take a collapse of fish stocks first for the EU nations to finally get concensess to act to save the depleted fish. Or race to the bottom grabbing whatever is left because you know greed.
Grandad shot a few and mum was born on a whaling station iirc.
Great uncle died one industrial accident involving boiling blubber.
Step brother filleted one with a chainsaw in the 90s and a Norwegian cooked it. Part of the bycatch not hunted as such.
I'm not - I even frequently eat pork/bacon. Damn stuff is tasty and I don't think my boycotting would make a difference. That said, I would support an initiative that would keep it from reaching the stores, because I recognize that pigs are highly intelligent creatures and raising them for food ain't ethical. Even though I keep eating them...
Couldn't we, swinging wildly for the fences here, do both?
Whales are superior to humans in most respects, and deserve much the greater consideration.
As far as ethics go, eating hunted meat is far far less cruel than eating farmed meat of any kind.
To me, there's nothing immoral to eating meat. As a species we have always done it, and plenty of other species outright depend on it *looking at my cats.* What I find immoral is the life we give most livestock before slaughter. Compare a deer's life to a cow. One runs around being itself, then in the last minute, in shock, it bleeds out from a bullet. The other never runs, is turned into a lactation machine while having every calf taken from it and slaughtered for veal.
If whale meat were available here, I'd prefer it to pork and beef. At least my steak had a life before.
I like meat. I don't think I would be able to slaughter the animal myself, though.
Unless I was starving, that is. And it would still suck.
So I will just keep pretending that meat grows on trees, like whales
Or like fowl…
I completely agree with you here.
Humans have evolved as omivore and some argue that we did evolve into humans thans to the additional calories and proteins from animals, while our social structures evolved in part from hunting parties.
Our physiology requires the nutriments and vitamins provided by meat.
Said that, I can see a lot of wrong in modern industrial meat production: not only it's cruel to the animals (reduced to meat machines) but also produce meat that is a pale copy of the meat from the same animals in nature or reared in more natural way.
Just take the cheapest chicken from a supermarket and compare it with a chicken that has lived with plenty of space and natural food in a open farm.
The meat is completely different, the "natural" chicken has harder meat, stronger taste, different colour, less fat, less water, and much more nutriment (and hormons & antibiotics free).
Personally I try to go for quality instead of quantity avoiding the more industrial meat and go for "natural" one even if requires more efforts and often a higher cost.... at least I know that is money well spent (not in supermarkets, I do have a direct line to people rearing animals).
I also have hunter friends and relatives, so I can augment my meat consumption with delicious wild boar, deer, elk, bear, etc. (bear is amazingly good, one of the best meat in my personal opinion).
Living in Norway I also eat whale meat.
Hunting wild animals is not sustainable to feed billions, but if you can get that type of meat you will discover a world of highly nutricious and incredibly tasty food.
With the abundance of (relatively) cheap meat we also get a lot of waste.
If you go to a supermarket you will find only a limited set of cuts of meat and a lot of it expires before being sold.
A lot of the parts of animals not sold in supermakets are used for something else (sadly as feed for animals in industrial farming).
People should really rediscover other parts of the animals for their meat: they are delicious and it will help to reduce waste.
In short I don't see everybody becoming vegetarian as an option, nor as a viable solution.
Industrial farming of plant based food is wasteful and bad for the envirovment as well.
Instead we should be more conscious of what we eat, especially in terms of quality.
Avoid the cheap crap and the highly processed food, take the time to cook from basic ingredients and avoid packaged food ready for the microwave.
I realise I am ranting, and I should have formulated my points better, but it's morning and coffee has not hit my brain yet
Well I mean, evidently not? We know full well about all the down sides of our enormous collective appetite for meat, yet we keep on eating it like there's no tomorrow.
At some point we'll need to cut back on our meat consumption whether we want to or not because it simply can't be sustained in the long run, it's a too inefficient production of calories/protein. But I don't see it happening out of free will. I hope I'm wrong though.
look, there is a place where you have to draw the arbitrary line. and where I draw my line is whales and sharks. if you eat whale and/or shark meat, **** you. it already came up that eatings pigs is truly disturbing. I agree.
that being said, at this point almost all of the pig population on this planet is in a precarious state of constantly being bred only to be killed. they were brought here exclusively by us, they can exist in these quantities only through our technologies, literal millions of heritage lines, gene clusters, future lives are dominated by our demand for meat. but with whales it's utterly different. they serve an incredibly important place in their respective ecosystem. sharks even more, actually. factory farmed pigs on the other hand are not a part of "natural" any ecosystem at all and if anything only enter the equation due to the fact the massive amount of poo they produce utterly poisons the very soil they live upon. I can deal with people hunting game and/or invasive species in order to keep a balance of sorts, though this is already questionable, since it's humans that get to decide what exactly is a state of balance (hint: it has to do with farmers not liking hogs on their turf).
"sustainable harvesting of whales" actually just means "killing as many whales as we can without causing some kind of ecological collapse".
Ok. First of, what does killing sharks have to do with whales? (besides that they happen to live in the same medium) Sharks are mostly killed for their (tasteless) fins. It is an extremely inefficient source of calories. It's also mostly illegal or unregulated. I.e. not sustainable. It has absolutely nothing to do with whaling.
It is not. A sustainable harvest is when you take from a naturally occurring surplus, with a minimal impact on ecosystems. That is doable when it comes to minke whales.
The history or whaling has mostly been a praxis of the opposite. That is why blue whale populations will probably never recover. But it's important to differentiate between the two.
How many of those whales are killed for revenge purposes?
absolutely nothing, as I said this is where my arbitrary line is. probably has more to do with emotions than anything rational, I simply love sharks and whales.
I'm well aware of the practices of mink-whale farming and I think the fact that mink whales are not endangered species (yet) is somewhat testament to the success of "sustainable" harvest, but I still reject the notion of hunting any (noninvasive etc.) wildlife with an important role in the ecosystem simply for monetary gain (and producing food is just that, today at least).
Whales are just like everyone else, only more so
So whales are jerks?
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