Nuke Nes: After Victoria

[Nuka-sama]

Uh... where's the bonus you promised?

Well, I was going to have almost all of your areas revolt, but you sent orders early, so

Enemy nations also may cause dissent and rebellions in your nation

 

[dldnjstjr]

I don't see any reasons why they would revolt. Do you?

 

[Nuka-sama]

I don't see any reasons why they would revolt. Do you?

-You're Liberal, they're Conservative
-They want to be free, you're a puppet
-Texas wants slaves still
-Work harder to find
-Higher Tarrifs

Need I go on?

These are tiny rebels, you gotta crush them (except Texas, they are big)

 

[dldnjstjr]

-Citizens don't rebel just because government changes ideology
-Entire Texas territory won't rebel because of puppet-ness.
-Why does Texas want slaves? Their economy is mostly ranching, not cash crop farming. And that's cause for seceding from the Union? The original Confederates didn't secede for slave rights, they seceded because for violation of the Constitution, in which case, it was already justified previous to the unification, due to the implausible Confederate unity at the beginning of this NES.
-Work harder to find? And rebel? So why didn't anybody rebel during the depressions throughout US History?
-The tariffs are lower than what it was before. I set the tariff at 27% And that's LOW, compared to 45% which was before. They should love the government, rather than secede.

I think you need to go on.

 

[Demetrias]

OOC: What does Dissent do? Is higher or lower good? And what causes it to decrease?

 

[germanicus12]

George V was staring at his map on the table little metal soldiers represented armies and small metal ships represented fleets on the sprawling map, in Georges right hand were dispatches from his General in Spain. He took the first dispatch and read it.

"The British troops have landed without opposition, we have recieved reports that the Commonwealth region has fallen to Communists hands. We must free them again. We are marching as per your orders."

George V smiled, he took out the second dispatch,

"We have taken the Pyrrenes Mountains, Northern Spain is under British rule. We have come under reports that France has invaded Belgium, British soldiers are in prime position to invade and take Paris in 5 days if orders are recieved. We are still pushing on with the plan."

George gave his dispatch to his aid who in turn moved some soldiers up into the mountain ranges in Spain, George took out the third dispatch,

"The Russians have attacked British soldiers, the army is in disarray as they retreat. Fortunatly we still hold the mountains and have held the line here thanks to our reinforcements. Will reorganize and counter attack as per plan."

George V moaned, he took the last dispatch and read it,

"Persia invaded, oil fields in danger. Tankers refusing to dock until Royal Navy arrives to garauntee protection. Admiral Pope request permission to move in from India."

King George growled, "Move in the navy! What divisions do we have to spare!?"
The Minister of Defence stepped foward and muttered something to George.
"Allright, we are evacuating Spain, move all divisions to Persia. At least our navy can keep our lanes open at the Strait."
The Minister jotted down the note.
"I need some men to push into France, what men do we have?"
The minister again stepped foward.

 

[Nuka-sama]

-Citizens don't rebel just because government changes ideology
Well, Texas was more Progressive, they thought that it would move Right wing, not left
-Entire Texas territory won't rebel because of puppet-ness.
not all of it, that's why I have more than a few reasons
-Why does Texas want slaves? Their economy is mostly ranching, not cash crop farming. And that's cause for seceding from the Union? The original Confederates didn't secede for slave rights, they seceded because for violation of the Constitution, in which case, it was already justified previous to the unification, due to the implausible Confederate unity at the beginning of this NES.
Do you think Texans want to work their own ranches? They also work in some farms and such, as well as in factories
-Work harder to find? And rebel? So why didn't anybody rebel during the depressions throughout US History?
Ah but they did. Not large scale, but they did. They also did in Russia due to not having money, and a Fascist dictator rose to power in Germany for low money and jobs
-The tariffs are lower than what it was before. I set the tariff at 27% And that's LOW, compared to 45% which was before. They should love the government, rather than secede.
They want low low low Tarrifs

I think you need to go on.

@Demeatris, dissent is bad. Get it down by doing good stuff

 

[dldnjstjr]

None of those reasons make up for the secession from the Union. You just answered some of the questions I raised and avoided most. For instance, among many:

You say "Do you think Texans want to work their own ranches? They also work in some farms and such, as well as in factories."

But I also said "The original Confederates didn't secede for slave rights, they seceded because for violation of the Constitution, in which case, it was already justified previous to the unification, due to the implausible Confederate unity at the beginning of this NES."

 

[germanicus12]

Decreasing dissent can be done in a variaty of ways:

Winning wars
passing popular laws
completing a wonder or national treasure
etc....

Increasing dissent (if you are weird and want it up)

Lose your wars
pass unpopular laws
oppress your people
etc...

 

[Nuka-sama]

-Citizens don't rebel just because government changes ideology
-Entire Texas territory won't rebel because of puppet-ness.
-Why does Texas want slaves? Their economy is mostly ranching, not cash crop farming. And that's cause for seceding from the Union? The original Confederates didn't secede for slave rights, they seceded because for violation of the Constitution, in which case, it was already justified previous to the unification, due to the implausible Confederate unity at the beginning of this NES.
-Work harder to find? And rebel? So why didn't anybody rebel during the depressions throughout US History?
-The tariffs are lower than what it was before. I set the tariff at 27% And that's LOW, compared to 45% which was before. They should love the government, rather than secede.

I think you need to go on.

None of those reasons make up for the secession from the Union. You just answered some of the questions I raised and avoided most. For instance, among many:

You say "Do you think Texans want to work their own ranches? They also work in some farms and such, as well as in factories."

But I also said "The original Confederates didn't secede for slave rights, they seceded because for violation of the Constitution, in which case, it was already justified previous to the unification, due to the implausible Confederate unity at the beginning of this NES."

Think for a sec. You could be arguing that Texas shouldn't rebel because of this and that, or you could be talking with your allies for assistance. Also, i haven't decided if the people like the regime, or if this is just a few rich powerful slave holding families. You may not need to do much but kick butt and take names

 

[dldnjstjr]

So instead of trying to fix the obvious errors in your understanding of national psychology, you'd rather have me clean up the mess you made for me, so early in the game, just because that's the alternative? For your information, I am doing both. None of your explanations support the results of the update, if you gave any adequate ones. You simply exaggerated all the "possible" reasons for secession, and I say "possible", even though unlikely, and bloated it for no apparent reasons.

 

[Demetrias]

DLDNJSTJR don't argue with the mod even if your right they just kick you from the game.

 

[dldnjstjr]

I think Nuclear Kid won't pull that on me, because I am hoping he's a reasonable person. But if he pull his Moderator powers on me, then I'll quit. What's the point of playing a NES with completely random and unsupported results swayed by moderator. Then what am I supposed to do? Suck up to the moderator so I get better results for no other reasons whatsoever?

 

[germanicus12]

You can argue with the mod, hoping that at least your arguements will have an impact.

But dont take it too far....

Though I must agree with dld (I do not want to spell out your name sorry iIhope you accept this abbreviation) Texas is not really a slave state, they are more tough, cowboys that take no cookie from people who demand that they change their beliefs.

But slaves are not Texas's strong point, there is no way they would rebel becuase of slaves. But political reasons are possible.

Work issues not really, I mean the oil wells demand alot of workers at that period and ranches are still not connected by adequatly for ranchers to transport cattle so herders and cowboys are still needed.

 

[Demetrias]

OOC: I don't think it was random. I think he was nerfing you on purpose because your sudden superpowerness was upsetting the game balance so he created a semi-plausable reason that on turn 2 you wouldn't own everybody and that you would have to at least wait tell turn 3. Also Texans are arrogant . .. .. .. .. .. .. .s used to having their own way I should know I am one. Plus this should be close to dust bowl time so they should be easier to conquer.

 

[Nuka-sama]

check your PM box, all will be answered

 

[dldnjstjr]

"he was nerfing you on purpose"

I noticed that already, and that's the reason why I'm arguing.

Edit: Ok, after reading your PM, I'll go along with it. That was reasonable.

 

[Nuka-sama]

You can argue with the mod, hoping that at least your arguements will have an impact.

But dont take it too far....

Though I must agree with dld (I do not want to spell out your name sorry iIhope you accept this abbreviation) Texas is not really a slave state, they are more tough, cowboys that take no cookie from people who demand that they change their beliefs.

But slaves are not Texas's strong point, there is no way they would rebel becuase of slaves. But political reasons are possible.

Work issues not really, I mean the oil wells demand alot of workers at that period and ranches are still not connected by adequatly for ranchers to transport cattle so herders and cowboys are still needed.

Oil wells have not been heavily used in Texas. I will not pull mod powers on dld, I can't explain it in the thread. The rebellion isn't that bad, don't worry.

I will never pull some strange mod power, except when it comes to people who must die. I should publish that

If you ever think something is unfair, please make your voice be heard, but do it in a PM I will show you a) greater respect, and b) It really brings the problem to my attention

If you make a really good argument, I may reverse it. Who knows?

 

[Demetrias]

Yes the Texas and Oklahoma Oil Boom wasn't until the 30's and 40's.

 

[dldnjstjr]

To: Texas
From: United Confederate States of America

We are quite unnerved by your decision to secede from the Union. Even though we decided to be under the Commonwealth, it was for the unification of the Confederacy and the Union. We are, were, and ever will be, brothers, in arms, in faith, and in pride. Do you not remember the Lincoln's words four decades ago? He said he would preserve the Union in all costs, freeing slaves or not. We too, had wanted the same thing. The very thing Lincoln desired from the bottom of his heart: the unification. The Lord said, "the house divided cannot stand," and look, many nations war already, and if we are to stand together as Americans, then we must be united against our foreign foe. We are not, nor were, any nation, but "United" states, the Constitution will preserve your voice and interest no matter what. Also, my term is almost over, and you may put forth your voice in the Congress, for the ideology is only, in reality, a mask nations must put on to pretend to be interested in anything. There were no other ways, and the sacrifices have been made. What could we do to bring you back to the Union?

Sincerely,
Thomas Haynes
Lord Governor of UCSA