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BEA - First quarter GDP, final

Gross Domestic Product, 1st quarter 2009 (final)
Corporate Profits, 1st quarter 2009 (revised)

Real gross domestic product -- the output of goods and services produced by labor and property located in the United States -- decreased at an annual rate of 5.5 percent in the first quarter of 2009, (that is, from the fourth quarter to the first quarter), according to final estimates released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the fourth quarter, real GDP decreased 6.3 percent.

The GDP estimates released today are based on more complete source data than were available for the preliminary estimates issued last month. In the preliminary estimates, the decrease in real GDP was 5.7 percent (see "Revisions" on page 3).

The decrease in real GDP in the first quarter primarily reflected negative contributions from exports, equipment and software, private inventory investment, nonresidential structures, and residential fixed investment that were partly offset by a positive contribution from personal consumption expenditures (PCE). Imports, which are a subtraction in the calculation of GDP, decreased.

The smaller decrease in real GDP in the first quarter than in the fourth primarily reflected an
upturn in PCE and a larger decrease in imports that were partly offset by larger decreases in private inventory investment and in nonresidential structures.

Motor vehicle output subtracted 1.26 percentage points from the first-quarter change in real GDP after subtracting 2.01 percentage points from the fourth-quarter change. Final sales of computers added 0.09 percentage point to the first-quarter change in real GDP after subtracting 0.02 percentage point from the fourth-quarter change.

The price index for gross domestic purchases, which measures prices paid by U.S. residents, decreased 1.0 percent in the first quarter, the same as in the preliminary estimate; this index decreased 3.9 percent in the fourth quarter. Excluding food and energy prices, the price index for gross domestic purchases increased 1.4 percent in the first quarter, also the same as in the preliminary. The federal pay raise for civilian and military personnel added 0.3 percentage point to the change in the first-quarter gross domestic purchases price index, which is treated as an increase in the prices of employee services purchased by the federal government.

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I"ll note that both CPI and the GDP price index show deflationary trends.

For those who care, the comprehensive revisions will go on line next month.
 
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The thing that's funny about this is that an act like that might just be crazy enough to induce frenzied spending.
 
BEA - First quarter GDP, final



I"ll note that both CPI and the GDP price index show deflationary trends.

For those who care, the comprehensive revisions will go on line next month.

And yet almost everything I buy on a weekly basis has been going up.... :crazyeye:
 
Rising prices for needs, falling prices for wants. ;)

Yean, I kinda knew that. I'm not in the market for cars, furniture, houses, at the moment. Just food , gas, and utilities. Though I'm thinking of getting a new desk chair this weekend, sales look good. And my rent is about as low as can be, but every place around here the rent is going up.
 
Yean, I kinda knew that. I'm not in the market for cars, furniture, houses, at the moment. Just food , gas, and utilities. Though I'm thinking of getting a new desk chair this weekend, sales look good. And my rent is about as low as can be, but every place around here the rent is going up.

But what does that lead you to think is in effect? Inflation or deflation?
 
David Rosenberg's breakdown:
YoY trend to a five-decade low, of -1.0%. We are going to see some larger monthly prints due to higher gasoline prices but because of the huge base effects of a year ago, when oil hit $150/bbl, we could still very likely see the YoY headline inflation rate sink to as low as -2.0% by the end of the summer.

It is very clear that we are either in an extremely benign inflation environment or on the precipice of a deflationary environment. Either way, pricing power is confined to relatively few sectors.
These would include:
  • Restaurants — up 0.2% MoM in May and 4.2% on a YoY basis.
  • Alcoholic beverages — much like the PPI, up 0.3% MoM in May and +3.0% YoY.
  • Sweets — as we said above in the PPI, chocoholics don’t mind paying higher prices, even in a borderline depression — pricing is up a solid 6.0% on a YoY basis.
  • As the PPI also illustrated from the producer standpoint, at the retail level the CPI showed a 0.8% monthly rise and a 7.7% bubbly inflation rate for soft drinks.
  • Prescription drugs — 0.6% MoM and 3.5% on a YoY basis.
  • Pets/pet products — as with PPI, huge pricing power (+10.0% YoY).
  • Telephone services — steady-as-she-goes with a 0.2% monthly increase in May and a decent YoY pricing trend of 2.4%.

Items that are in clear deflation mode are personal care products/services, toys, sporting goods, hotels, air fares, delivery services, apparel, jewelry, home improvement, appliances, recreation and grocery stores (across every category from bread, to meat, to poultry — restaurants are seeing much better pricing growth).

  • Dairy products, on the other hand, are getting roughed up — PPI down 16.0% YoY
  • Chicken producers are seeing 5.0% pricing growth
  • Beer/spirit prices are holding in great, at 3.8% YoY
WHO HAS GOOD PRICING TRENDS AT A TIME OF -5.0% PPI?
We also ran sector screens on actual pricing power using the PPI and as the chart below illustrates, the YoY trend is running at -5.0%, the most pronounced deflation rate in 50 years. As is the case with capacity utilization (CAPU) rates, the key is to identify the sectors whose pricing is not deflating, let along making new 50-year lows.
  • How about soft drinks? Pricing growth of 3% YoY in relative terms, that is a 500bps premium to the rest of the market.
  • Pet food space but it is seeing ripping pricing power (11.0% YoY) and I have been reading in many reports that this is actually a staple in a recession — people will cut back on their own eating before they put their pets on a diet.
  • Drug producers are seeing 6.0% pricing trends and producers of sanitary products/health products are also seeing 6.0% pricing trends, which is solid.
  • The PPI for toys/games is running at 6.6% and deserve a look — not everything is looked at as a cyclical this cycle either.
  • Anything related to capex — construction machinery, rail stock, computers, tools/dies, power transformers are losing pricing momentum.
 
But what does that lead you to think is in effect? Inflation or deflation?

Well the thing is that food and energy are broken out of normal inflation calculations because they are ordinarily so volatile that if you include them you can easily make the rest of the calculation meaningless with noise. So you can't predict what those will do until you have a long term trend in them. Yet on the other hand, they are relatively inelastic. So when people cut back on all other spending, there's less variation in them. So the irony is that even though the cumulative effect is deflationary, the people at the medium and low to bottom of the economic ladder can be experiencing, at least in the near term, inflation. Though 2 years from now, when they are back to buying homes and furniture, they could well benefit from the bit of deflation.
 
Well the thing is that food and energy are broken out of normal inflation calculations because they are ordinarily so volatile that if you include them you can easily make the rest of the calculation meaningless with noise. So you can't predict what those will do until you have a long term trend in them. Yet on the other hand, they are relatively inelastic. So when people cut back on all other spending, there's less variation in them. So the irony is that even though the cumulative effect is deflationary, the people at the medium and low to bottom of the economic ladder can be experiencing, at least in the near term, inflation. Though 2 years from now, when they are back to buying homes and furniture, they could well benefit from the bit of deflation.

Which means policy crafted towards fighting deflation doesn't ultimately help anyone at the bottom to middle.
 
Which means policy crafted towards fighting deflation doesn't ultimately help anyone at the bottom to middle.

No. It means that there are a lot of competing factors. And you also have to consider how much worse off they would be in the long run with deflation. Because if we had a general deflation it would be extremely hard to avoid a depression. And if we had a depression those people in the medium to low to bottom would living in cardboard boxes come winter.
 
@ mrt, Cutlass: good comments on oil. I admit that the overall CPI's YoY deflationary trend is almost exclusively oil-driven. The price of gas this time last year was pushing $5/gallon; now it's down to $2.65/gallon, which drives the energy index way down, which drives the overall rate way down as energy is given a fairly high weight. Core CPI is up YoY (not surprising). However, a flat overall CPI does mean that Social Security payments won't see a COLA raise this year. It'll also push down COLA increases for Federal employees...

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On another note, the CBO has released a report on the TARP (blog, pdf) which will doubtless be of interest to some. I've only skimmed the document.

The Troubled Asset Relief Program: Report on Transactions to Date

Today CBO released the second of our statutory reports on transactions undertaken as part of the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP). The assessment discusses the costs of purchases and guarantees of troubled assets taken to date, as well as the information and valuation methods used to calculate those costs.

The TARP’s transactions through June 17, 2009, included net disbursements, guarantee agreements, and loans totaling $369 billion. Valuing the assets using procedures similar to those specified in the Federal Credit Reform Act, but adjusting for market risk as specified in the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act, CBO estimates that the subsidy cost of the transactions (broadly speaking, the difference between what the Treasury paid for the investments or lent to the businesses and the market value of those transactions, including repayments) amounts to $159 billion.

Currently, the Secretary of the Treasury has the authority to purchase and hold up to roughly $699 billion in assets at one time. Of the $329 billion in authority remaining for the TARP, $142 billion has yet to be allocated to any of the existing or pending activities announced by the Treasury.
 
No. It means that there are a lot of competing factors. And you also have to consider how much worse off they would be in the long run with deflation. Because if we had a general deflation it would be extremely hard to avoid a depression. And if we had a depression those people in the medium to low to bottom would living in cardboard boxes come winter.

Not if there was a revolution, eh comrade?

If combating deflation is dependent on price floors then I'm absolutely correct and that seems like the exact thing that the government is trying to do; By trying to induce lending through various means and subsidizing potential buyers with keeping mortgage rates low (through the Fed) and with tax credits that can be used for the downpayment, not to mention FHA underwritten loans. It's a totally inefficient and reckless way to look out for those most vulnerable from deflation.

I've always said, instead of trying to induce the same reckless credit expansion that led to the current situation, we'd be better off increasing unemployment benefits and welfare both in amount and length of time until we can get to a bottom where consumption of goods is based on leverage levels that are maintainable.

Or perhaps we can skip like a rock on a downward slope as the tug of war between reality and politics.
 
Not if there was a revolution, eh comrade?

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don't call me comrade. Unlike conservatives, I'm willing to do something to stop the revolution.

If combating deflation is dependent on price floors then I'm absolutely correct and that seems like the exact thing that the government is trying to do; By trying to induce lending through various means and subsidizing potential buyers with keeping mortgage rates low (through the Fed) and with tax credits that can be used for the downpayment, not to mention FHA underwritten loans. It's a totally inefficient and reckless way to look out for those most vulnerable from deflation.

Politics is politics. In the US today the politics is so many light years right of center that bringing it back to centrist will take 10 or 15 Obamas.

I've always said, instead of trying to induce the same reckless credit expansion that led to the current situation, we'd be better off increasing unemployment benefits and welfare both in amount and length of time until we can get to a bottom where consumption of goods is based on leverage levels that aren't maintainable.

Good enough. But you can still only do that with deficits.

Or perhaps we can skip like a rock on a downward slope as the tug of war between reality and politics.

As if there's a choice. :p
 
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don't call me comrade. Unlike conservatives, I'm willing to do something to stop the revolution.



Politics is politics. In the US today the politics is so many light years right of center that bringing it back to centrist will take 10 or 15 Obamas.



Good enough. But you can still only do that with deficits.

:lol:

1. That's actually a slap in the face to Obama. Although I agree; He's merely an enabler of the same bubbleheaded dopes who think credit/leverage solves everything (Summers and Geithner). He's like GW except he has a facade of caring about changing things via regulation. I had a laugh at the proposals put forth so far.

2. Deficits are acceptable as a temporary condition but, politics is politics and deficits are the status quo. In fact expanding deficits are the status quo. This is not left or right.
 
Conservatives are more likely to cause communism than Obama is. But Obama isn't liberal enough to be truly anticommunist.
 
I've always said, instead of trying to induce the same reckless credit expansion that led to the current situation, we'd be better off increasing unemployment benefits and welfare both in amount and length of time until we can get to a bottom where consumption of goods is based on leverage levels that aren't maintainable.

That's the good way to spend money to delay an economic collapse. But it won't provide a recovery. And I don't think that anyone should be waiting for the "free market" do do that either. At the root of this whole crisis is an employment and income problem.

I have a theory o about what happened, and what can happen now. I'll post it, for what it may be worth:

How do economies "grow"? Real economic growth (ignoring accounting rules) is an increase in the production of goods and services. What has encouraged this increase in the past? Population growth and technological improvements leading to higher productivity.
Population growth didn't really increase wealth per capita, so we shouldn't be too sorry for losing that, but it was mostly lost in the "west", where population growth has slowed down considerably. So don't expect the growth rates of some past "golden years".
What about productivity? Usually it encourages a virtuous cycle: production increases, sales increase, wages increase, consumption increases also. But this cycle can be cut at any of its four steps: technology can stagnate for some years; sales can collapse if they depend on foreign trade and there's a crisis in export markets; wages can be kept down through a variety of methods; people can "go bankrupt" for a number or reasons. Any of these can break the cycle, and worse, propagate and turn it into a vicious cycle. And we can now see the four at work!

Apparently it started as a income collapse, as incomes which had been inflated through debt were reduced. But that was not its root cause, and therefore reinflating debt will not solve anything, only postpone the problem a little. The root cause were symmetrical shifts in employment in two "zones" of the world which broke, within each zone, the usual market economics cycle.
The "wealthy world" moved more and more people into non-productive jobs, but attempted to keep their income stable by either encouraging them to borrow money, or by having the business employing them rely on financial schemes for its income - effectively running on borrowed money also.
While this was happening the "developing world" employed more people on productive jobs, mostly to export goods and even services. While the compensation of many workets on the "wealthy world" was too high compared with the value of what they were producing, the compensation of the workets of the export industries of the "developing world" were (are!) necessarily too low compared with the value of what they're producing. The proof is simple: it that compensation wasn't too low, there would be no net flow of goods and services exported from those developed countries: their own population would absorb its own production.

"Globalization" enabled all this. And the proponents of globalization thought that it would be a good deal. Workers on the "developing world" would be charitably exploited (my own expression to describe the idea) - they were getting less that they deserved, but their countries were developing, after all... :rolleyes: While the "wealthy world" would import at will (deficits don't matter). Except that deficits do matter - people don't like it when their money goes missing, or payments cease being made, and there's a limit to the amount of debt which can be accumulated before this happens. The workers of the "developing world" could perhaps have been kept quiet and the system of exploitation kept going ad eternum. But the workers of the "wealthy world" had to be paid. And sooner or later the business build to pay them, dependent on loans (because they were not really producing anything) would collapse. That time has come.

There's just one more piece to fit: who was lending? Who had the money to lend? Obviously, those who were profiting from the work of all those people who produced goods for export but were not consuming anything equivalent to what they produced. Governments? Banks? Wealthy individual? I don't know, but it would be just matter of following the loaned money to its source... all three, probably, in a very short-sighted exercise.

These imbalances, between production, wages, and profits, happen to a greater or lesser degree within countries. But countries have their own political systems to deal with this, welfare being the most usual one. Between countries, however, there's no such system for "charitable" transfers of wealth. The stabilizers were currency rates, duties, etc - all that obsolete junk which the globalizers saw fit to abolish... their absurd system would not be possible otherwise. Which is to say, this depression wouldn't have happened!

The solution for this crisis can only be one: roll back everything which was part of "economic globalization". The big fall in or world trade is a good thing (economically...), a first step towards economic recovery. It must be followed by reinvestment in productive industries where they were previously dismantled. But that part can only happen after the political idea of "free trade" is killed.
If that doesn't happen fast enough... the "free-marketeers" will end up killing capitalism. That would be irony!
 
That's the good way to spend money to delay an economic collapse. But it won't provide a recovery. And I don't think that anyone should be waiting for the "free market" do do that either. At the root of this whole crisis is an employment and income problem.

Delay an economic collapse by providing a cushion for people to reallocate their labor to more "productive" jobs...rather than merely reinflating personal debt with public debt and revisting this issue later? Yeah, I'd opt for the former.

btw, what is a productive job?

Narz does you one better; he at least admits he wants to return to pre-industrial life without the comfort we have now.

And your theory has some gaping holes in it like, duties and currency pegs still exist and this has done what exactly other than kick the can down the road? And the solution wouldn't dislodge the dynamic of developing vs. developed world and reduce oppression or spurn indigenous economic development in developing countries. But your heart is in the right place.
 
btw, what is a productive job?

An activity which creates marketable products, including services, (marketable meaning that those products ca be traded, instead of consumed, by a buyer) worth more than the products which it consumes.

And your theory has some gaping holes in it like, duties and currency pegs still exist and this has done what exactly other than kick the can down the road? And the solution wouldn't dislodge the dynamic of developing vs. developed world and reduce oppression or spurn indigenous economic development in developing countries. But your heart is in the right place.

Duties and other barriers to international trade kept international deficits small enough that no "producers" or "consumers" specialization had developed to a great extent. When a crisis happened within a national economy, a national governments could use effective tools to rebalanced it. But there's no welfare solution on a global scale, nor countries offering to transfer wealth to others for free. There was a little of that within the European Union, and it kept it intact while its internal market was distorted, in much the same way how the works economy has been more recently. Perhaps my view is influenced by that...
 
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