nvm

Full of it, but technically not lying, which is more than I could say for most of what politicians say.

:lol: Too true. Unfortunately for him, he doesn't understand that when you extort and loanshark for your protection racket, it doesn't make you any less of a thug if you do it for "the taxpayer".

They make the rules up as they go along right now such as increasing the payback amount ad hoc or else face the consequence of government control of executive compensation.
 
Record foreclosures hitting Orange County involve more than just newbie buyers who got in over their heads.

Some housing watchers say evidence is mounting that even veteran homeowners got caught up in housing euphoria and now are paying for it.

The latest argument comes from Michael LaCour-Little, a finance professor at Cal State Fullerton. He is lead author of a new study, which found that during the housing boom some long-time owners borrowed against all their property's equity gain, or paper profits. They treated their houses like cash machines.

People who owe their bank as much or more than their home is worth are most vulnerable to foreclosure. When they suffer a job loss or other drop in income, they can't sell, because the sale price won't cover the debt.

It's long been assumed that homebuyers who purchased at housing's peak with little money down are among the most likely to face foreclosure. They owed more than their property was worth once prices tanked.

But the study concludes 'cashing-out' is about as predictive of foreclosure for the same reason: negative equity.

LaCour-Little admits the data he used isn't perfect. Still, he said his findings cast light on how borrower behavior may be impacting many foreclosures.

The trend has implications for government policy, he said.

"The conventional view is that housing appreciation is good because it reduces (default) risk," LaCour-Little said. "Not according to my theory, which is housing appreciation is bad. It encourages junior-lien borrowing. When appreciation stops, somebody is going to be left in a bad position."

Tapped out

One homeowner who cashed-out her equity is Rita Gillam, an 85-year-old widow in Orange.

Gillam said she has owned hair salons and baby supply stores for decades. When her baby store hit a rough patch, she borrowed money to keep it going, culminating in a $556,000 loan from Fremont Investment & Loan in 2006.

And not expecting to live so long, she spent some money on non-necessities, including a vacation to Las Vegas, Gillam said.

The $556,000 is gone and so is her business, Gillam said.

"I am broke," she said.

Loan servicer HomEq Servicing is putting her home, which she has owned since 1957, up for auction on Aug. 4. The company and its parent, Barclays Bank, declined to comment on Gillam's case, citing privacy concerns.

The big question is whether Gillam is the exception, or are most borrowers facing foreclosure also people who extracted all their equity.

Professor LaCour-Little tracked all houses and condos set for foreclosure auctions, known as trustee's sales, in the first two weeks of November 2006, 2007 and 2008 in Orange, Los Angeles, Riverside, San Bernardino and San Diego counties. Earlier this month he presented his study at the mid-year conference in Washington, D.C. of the American Real Estate and Urban Economics Association.

For the early November 2008 data sample, he tracked 2,358 properties and found 79 percent of borrowers had at least a second mortgage. Some also had third and fourth liens. (During housing's heyday, some people bought homes with a first loan and simultaneous second mortgage totaling 100 percent of the price.)

The 2008 foreclosures were purchased in "median" year 2004, meaning half the purchases were before and half after. That suggests more than half the purchases were before housing's peak in 2005 and 2006.

Total debt on the 2008 properties averaged $551,000 at time of foreclosure, or roughly 170 percent of their average value at the time based on a computer model and double the average price the bank later received from buyers.

That suggests owners borrowed against all the gains in their property's value by refinancing or taking out second loans. When prices dropped, they owed much more than the houses were worth.

LaCour-Little said he was surprised by the results.

"I expected a much higher concentration of (home purchases in) peak years of 2005 and 2006," he said.

But there are limits to the county records used in his study, LaCour-Little said. For example, he assumed that borrowers with home equity lines of credit had drawn down the entire line before foreclosure. But public filings don't show how much is actually used. (Home credit lines function somewhat like credit cards, with credit limits that may never be reached.)

The professor argued a borrower in trouble would use the money from a home credit line to keep making payments on the first mortgage until the line's limit is reached.

Interest on home equity lines, as with other home loans, is tax deductible. LaCour-Little said that encourages owners to borrow against their homes, possibly putting them at risk, as opposed to using credit cards or other debt, such as auto loans.

USA to the rescue?

If the study is indicative of a larger trend of homeowners being in trouble because of junior mortgages, that poses a challenge to politicians who want to prevent foreclosures, LaCour-Little said.

"It is hard to see a solution that addresses this problem," he said. "The one beauty of foreclosure – if you can find beauty in it – is it does clean up title to a property. Foreclosure is a well defined system for who is going to lose money."

The Obama administration on April 28 released details of a loan-aid program targeted to second mortgages. Treasury would share with banks or investors the cost of modifying or eliminating such loans to help borrowers avoid foreclosure.

Kevin Stein, associate director of San Francisco-based consumer group the California Reinvestment Coalition, said so far his group hasn't seen the Obama plan impacting loan modifications. Too few are being done, same as before, he said.

In any case, the President's plan is likely to fail because it "does not in any way emphasize principal reduction, which is what would keep people in their homes in Orange County and California," Stein said.

The plan emphasizes interest-rate reductions. However, it does offer to reimburse mortgage holders a few pennies on each dollar of principal balance if they simply erase second mortgages. That may not sound like much, but seconds can be worthless if a property goes to foreclosure.

In Stein's view, there is no question Orange County as a whole would benefit if the government did more to halt foreclosures.

"Preventing foreclosures helps maintain community stability, keeps blight at bay, supports local tax revenue and the local economy," Stein said.

Other experts debate if there is any economic benefit to stopping foreclosures.

Christopher Thornberg, a principal with Beacon Economics in Los Angeles, said, people who stop paying an "over-sized mortgage" and instead rent an apartment or house, may "have a lot more money to spend on things like iPods and clothes."

"So in a sense all these foreclosures are probably one of the things stabilizing consumer spending," he said. "That's far more important to the economy than whether people pay off their mortgages."

On the flipside, Bill Gross of Newport Beach-basedPimco has long argued government helping homeowners will benefit everyone.

"The ultimate support of housing prices is an important link in any eventual economic recovery," Gross said. "Keeping homeowners in their homes, as opposed to putting them out on the street, irrefutably keeps prices higher than they would be otherwise. Viewed in this way, foreclosure relief is a winning proposition for Americans of any political persuasion."

LaCour-Little said foreclosure prevention could help the economy, but current programs merely delay the process.

A better idea might be for banks to foreclose and then rent the property to the former owner, he said. That would keep foreclosures from flooding the market and depressing property values.

Some investors are already doing that in some markets. But banks don't do it because of stiff capital requirements from regulators and because they are not set up to manage properties.

LaCour-Little said government could ease capital restrictions and banks could hire property managers. "Gee, that would create jobs," he said.

This is going to cut from two sides:

Those that default because of the 2nd lien and those that can't sell because of the 2nd lien. 79%...half originated before 2004...What did we do?
 
It's everyone's fault. Everyone finds fiscal religion in politics when they aren't in power.

I suppose that's true enough. But to hear them talk you'd thin that the Republicans in Congress have ever tried to restrain spending.
 
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Does anyone in the Government have a clue as to how bad this is?
 
The Administration's projections have consistently been dangerously optimistic. Remember the 'more adverse' scenarios in the stress tests?
 
Yeah, the whole program looks like a waste of time. What I would have done is get all the states to between $200-$500 per year to the cost of registering any car over 15 years old. That would result in a lot of old cars being junked, increase the value of newer used cars, which would encourage more trade ins of semi recent used cars by people who can afford to trade up, but just need a bit more encouragement.

As cars get further in the past, not only does average fuel efficiency decline, but average pollution increases. So it's of value to take cars off the road not just by size, but by age.

Why make it years old? Why not be honestly fair and tackle MPGs (even though they're reportedly somewhat inaccurate)? Say extra money to register ANY kind of gas hog, which could go towards funding research on more fuel effient cars/incentives on getting such cars to market.
 
The idea of directed income and expenditure streams from directed taxes is a joke. When revenue plummets those directed taxes are raided for then general fund all the time.
 
Why make it years old? Why not be honestly fair and tackle MPGs (even though they're reportedly somewhat inaccurate)? Say extra money to register ANY kind of gas hog, which could go towards funding research on more fuel effient cars/incentives on getting such cars to market.

The first factor is simply that the emissions controls equipment the cars were manufactured with have evolved over the years. So the further you go back in time the less efficient and effective that equipment is. Pollution from cars has 3 factors, the amount of gas burned, the efficiency and effectiveness of the equipment installed and the condition of the engine and emissions equipment. Older equipment, even where it meets the same emissions requirements, is less efficient in that it takes more of the engine's power to run it. So the engine as a whole is less efficient, meaning more gas burned.

The second factor is that 18MPG is an outstandingly ridiculously low number. The amount of cars, as opposed to SUVs, full size vans, and pickup trucks, that got less than 18MPG (highway) and are still on the road is minuscule. You can get better mileage than that with muscle cars with 7 liter and above engines. And you have to go back nearly 40 years to find mileage like that which is common.

The third factor is that older cars tend to be more poorly maintained. And by the time you get back 15 years you start running into a fairly high percentage of cars operating on a daily basis which are in poor condition. While when you get over 20 years and the percentage of cars on the road which are that old starts to be pretty small. So you could say 20 years instead of 15, but a 20 year old Volkswagen or Toyota, which are quite small and get good mileage, would most likely pollute more than a 5 year old full size SUV that gets under 18MPG.
 
Oooooh it burns doesn't it Federal Reserve!

http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/06/federal-reserve-appears-to-be-big-loser.html

A few more details on the Extended Stay Bankruptcy:

# Purchase Price in April 2007: $8 billion. Source WSJ: "Wachovia, Bear Stearns and others lent Lightstone founder David Lichtenstein $7.4 billion so he could buy the 684-hotel chain from Blackstone Group for $8 billion in April 2007."

# Current Value: $3.3 Billion. Source WSJ: "The hotel chain is now valued at $3.3 billion, according to its filing. That figure isn't even 60% of the buyout price and even lower than the amount of the first mortgage, $4.1 billion."

# Capital structure: Source WSJ: "The hotel chain has $4.1 billion in a senior first mortgage that was mostly sold to investors as CMBS. Behind those secured creditors is the $3.3 billion of mezzanine debt divided into 10 classes ranked one through 10 in seniority."

# Federal Reserve has Bear Stearns share. Source WSJ: "U.S. taxpayers also have had an interest in the talks because another lender in the buyout was Bear Stearns Cos., whose stake was taken over by the Federal Reserve after Bear collapsed in March 2008."

# Federal Reserve Losses: If the Bear Stearns held only the senior debt, the Federal Reserve appears to have taken a 20% haircut. If the Fed owns any of the Junior debt - that is probably worthless.

And from the NY Times Dealbook (April 2008)

Under questioning from Robert Casey Jr., a Democratic Senator from Pennsylvania, Mr. Bernanke said Wednesday that the assets making up the Fed’s collateral were “entirely investment grade, entirely current and performing.” He said BlackRock, which the Fed has hired to manage the collateral, is “confident, or at least reasonably confident, that we would be able to recover the full amount.”

But, he was asked, what if BlackRock concludes that the collateral is worth far less than $30 billion? Can the Fed go back and ask for more?

Mr. Bernanke’s answer was brief: No, we cannot.

UH OH. :lol:
 
The pot keeps growing. Just keep throwing money at the problem until it goes away -

$13.9 Trillion Total Maximum Government Support Announced
by CalculatedRisk on 6/16/2009 12:14:00 PM
The FDIC released the Summer 2009 Supervisory Insights today. The report includes the following table showing all the government support announced in 2008 and soon thereafter. The maximum capacity is $13.9 trillion.

In my previous terminology, this is the amount available to be used; gross support (spent plus committed but not yet spent) is around half that, at $6.8 trillion.

Table available at CalcRisk.

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In other news, capacity utilization is down to 68.3%. A 'normal' reading is around 80%. Industrial production dipped 1.1% month-over-month.
 
http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=akaJVOByDsHg

une 16 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama said he is “confident” that he won’t have to raise taxes on most Americans to close the budget deficit as long as the economy picks up steam.

“One of the biggest variables in this whole thing is economic growth,” the president said in an interview with Bloomberg News at the White House. “If we are growing at a robust rate, then we can pay for the government that we need without having to raise taxes.”

Obama has repeatedly said he would keep his campaign pledge to cut taxes for 95 percent of working Americans while rolling back tax breaks for households making more than $250,000 a year.

“I’m confident that we don’t have to raise taxes on ordinary working families,” he said.

The U.S. economy shrank at a 5.7 percent annual pace in the first quarter, reflecting declines in housing, inventories and business investment. Growth is expected to turn positive in the second half of the year, accelerating 0.5 percent from July through September and 1.9 percent in the final three months of this year, according to the median estimate in a Bloomberg survey of 62 economists. The median forecast for growth next year is 1.8 percent, according to the survey.

Continued Problems

Obama warned that if economic growth remains “anemic” and Congress fails to adopt his plans to hold down the cost of health care, work on alternative energy sources and improve the U.S. education system, “then we’re going to continue to have problems.”

He also repeated his promise to cut the budget deficit, forecast to hit $1.8 trillion this year, in half by the end of his first term. The budget he submitted to Congress in February anticipates that the government will still run what would be, by historic standards, large deficits for the foreseeable future.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office projects the shortfall will total at least $600 billion for each of the next 10 years.

“If my proposals are adopted, then not only are we cutting the deficit in half compared to where it would be if we didn’t do anything, but we’re also going to be able to raise revenue on people making over $250,000 a year in a modest way,” he said. “That helps close the deficit.”

Fiscal discipline that leads to lower budget deficits is important, Obama said, to ensure investors around the world keep buying U.S. government debt.

Obama said a large part of the current budget deficit was inherited from the administration of former President George W. Bush, his predecessor, and that extra spending was needed to address the worst global financial crisis since World War II.

Congress passed Obama’s $787 billion stimulus plan in February.

“We knew we were going to have to take some extraordinary steps to deal with this recession,” he said.

Is he delusional or stupid or in denial?
 
Article said:
President Barack Obama said he is “confident” that he won’t have to raise taxes on most Americans to close the budget deficit as long as the economy picks up steam.

CBO said:
The results of CBO’s updated analysis are similar to those released in March. CBO now estimates a 10-year deficit of $9.1 trillion under the President’s policies

Expenditures are going to be growing faster than either revenues or the broader economy. Now, class, what does that mean for the deficit? What about the debt as a percentage of GDP? Anyone? Anyone?
 

See, this is what concerns me in the long run about taxes and budgets.




A smaller part of the population working means either more deficit, more taxes, or the very difficult and unlikely budget cuts. I can't find the other chart I was looking for, but IIRC it correctly it shows that once the Boomers are mostly retired then the labor participation rate will be down around 55% even in good times. I can't see any way that it could be that low without higher taxes.
 
See, this is what concerns me in the long run about taxes and budgets.




A smaller part of the population working means either more deficit, more taxes, or the very difficult and unlikely budget cuts. I can't find the other chart I was looking for, but IIRC it correctly it shows that once the Boomers are mostly retired then the labor participation rate will be down around 55% even in good times. I can't see any way that it could be that low without higher taxes.

We'll consume less government resources...right? Wait, no, you have Boomers sucking SS dry...

Make those profligate Boomers pay for their debt binge by working it off into their 70-80s and eating cat food. :king:
 
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