That is something I forgot to mention in my report ... I started a courthouse in Tiwanaku(?) because the city maintenance was something like 7gpt. But now that I think about it, we probably don't want a courthouse in that city ...
OB04 - Five Is The Magic Number
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That is something I forgot to mention in my report ... I started a courthouse in Tiwanaku(?) because the city maintenance was something like 7gpt. But now that I think about it, we probably don't want a courthouse in that city ...
Kodii
Ka ICE
IIRC, we plan to make Tiwanaku an economy city, so I cancelled the Courthouse and started a Market. Likewise, I started a market in Cuzco, assuming we are going to build the Kashi Vishwanath in the future.
Our exploring workboat had an encounter with a barb galley
Overall, things are going well...
For the AI.
Darius completed the Parthenon.
Vicky completed the Statue of Zeus.
For us? Not so much.
I've bombarded down Cordoba to 0%, but she has this ridiculous garrison:
I stopped here because I didn't know whether or not to proceed AND I didn't know whether or not we wanted to keep the city.
And being the bonehead that I am, I forgot to save. I'll load up the autosave...
EDIT: http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/96336/OB04_AD-0720.CivBeyondSwordSave
PS: We lost our deals with Darius and Vicky
Our exploring workboat had an encounter with a barb galley
Overall, things are going well...
For the AI.
Darius completed the Parthenon.
Vicky completed the Statue of Zeus.
For us? Not so much.
I've bombarded down Cordoba to 0%, but she has this ridiculous garrison:
I stopped here because I didn't know whether or not to proceed AND I didn't know whether or not we wanted to keep the city.
And being the bonehead that I am, I forgot to save. I'll load up the autosave...
EDIT: http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/96336/OB04_AD-0720.CivBeyondSwordSave
PS: We lost our deals with Darius and Vicky
Kodii
Ka ICE
Anyone there?
Mighty Dwaarf
Ginger Beast
Sorry didnt realise was me up, I have got too much work on at the moment so please skip me this time round.
The answer to the second question, I think, is we definitely want to keep Cordoba. We've captured 4 cities and we are only allowed one more. The position of Cordoba fits in nicely with our other captured cities.
However, that is certainly a formidable defensive force in the city. The good news is we probably don't need our army after taking the city, as we should negotiate a peace treaty with her. If we have enough suicide cats, we should be able to knock those longbows down to a more manageable strength. I would think we'd need at least 6 to 8 cats. But we'd also need at least a dozen melee units to make sure we can take the city without passing out any promotions.
The alternative, if we don't have the units, is to make peace and save the city for later when we have Macemen. It might take a while before that happens, though, given our current research rate. We'd probably also need to crank out a few Settlers to grab that empty land before the AI moves in.
Kodii
Ka ICE
If I can get a bit more input, I can finish my turnset then hand it off to Ozbenno.
Mighty Dwaarf
Ginger Beast
I agree about keeping Cordoba,
Question?? If we move our capital to be more central to cut maintenance cost does that count as a building/wonder in target city???
If not then think it is something we should definitely look at as at the moment is in the corner of our lands.
I think we need to think of how we could win this?? Plan for that and stick to it, and cross all fingers.
Question?? If we move our capital to be more central to cut maintenance cost does that count as a building/wonder in target city???
If not then think it is something we should definitely look at as at the moment is in the corner of our lands.
I think we need to think of how we could win this?? Plan for that and stick to it, and cross all fingers.
I'm back and caught up.
OUCH! That looks nasty. If we have the troops there (ie plenty of catapults and swords/axes) then we should try and take Cordoba. If we don't sue for peace and try again when we do.
We need to try and grab the spare land as well.
OUCH! That looks nasty. If we have the troops there (ie plenty of catapults and swords/axes) then we should try and take Cordoba. If we don't sue for peace and try again when we do.
We need to try and grab the spare land as well.
Kodii
Ka ICE
Welcome back Ozbenno!
Well, here we go:
It took us three turns, but we took Cordoba, and make peace for 20G and Calendar. Cuzco completed its Market and is currently producing wealth, allowing us to crank research back up to 50%. We have courthouses planned in some cities, but that can change (I cancelled a monument, because we don't need it). Some cities are producing Spies, but can switch to Wealth if there is nothing to build.
I have a jumbo on go-to to defend our lands to the west, because our chariot was killed. Also, we have a GG in Tiwanaku that I accidently fortified, so don't forget about it!
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/96336/OB04_AD-0800.CivBeyondSwordSave
Well, here we go:
It took us three turns, but we took Cordoba, and make peace for 20G and Calendar. Cuzco completed its Market and is currently producing wealth, allowing us to crank research back up to 50%. We have courthouses planned in some cities, but that can change (I cancelled a monument, because we don't need it). Some cities are producing Spies, but can switch to Wealth if there is nothing to build.
I have a jumbo on go-to to defend our lands to the west, because our chariot was killed. Also, we have a GG in Tiwanaku that I accidently fortified, so don't forget about it!
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/96336/OB04_AD-0800.CivBeyondSwordSave
Got it.
Will probably load the save later today and post some thoughts on where we are going.
If we can get to maces/trebs/pikes, we have a fairly long period of time in which to use this military (until rifles/cavalry) to boost our game.
Will probably load the save later today and post some thoughts on where we are going.
If we can get to maces/trebs/pikes, we have a fairly long period of time in which to use this military (until rifles/cavalry) to boost our game.
I've updated the 2nd post to reflect where we are in the game currently.
OK, thoughts...
We currently are of no religion, all cities bar one have Buddhism. I'd say adopt this. Izzy and Darius are Buddhists too.
We can get Philosophy from Victoria for Calendar/Construction/HBR plus 50 gold. We should then be able to trade Philosophy to Darius for Feudalism and cash. I'd say its worthwhile.
Once we get Civil Service I'd swap civics to bureaucracy and organised religion (if we adopt Buddhism).
I'd settle the next city asap as we can get 2 happiness from it.
I don't actually see us being in that bad a position here. Once we can upgrade our forces to maces we will need to take down Ramses, Izzy, Vicky and Darius (in that order). Easy!
Research, I'd say Civil Service/Metal Casing/Machinery/Engineering, gather a huge army of trebs/maces/crossbows/pikes and raze the known world.
Agree/disagree?
OK, thoughts...
We currently are of no religion, all cities bar one have Buddhism. I'd say adopt this. Izzy and Darius are Buddhists too.
We can get Philosophy from Victoria for Calendar/Construction/HBR plus 50 gold. We should then be able to trade Philosophy to Darius for Feudalism and cash. I'd say its worthwhile.
Once we get Civil Service I'd swap civics to bureaucracy and organised religion (if we adopt Buddhism).
I'd settle the next city asap as we can get 2 happiness from it.
I don't actually see us being in that bad a position here. Once we can upgrade our forces to maces we will need to take down Ramses, Izzy, Vicky and Darius (in that order). Easy!
Research, I'd say Civil Service/Metal Casing/Machinery/Engineering, gather a huge army of trebs/maces/crossbows/pikes and raze the known world.
Agree/disagree?
Kodii
Ka ICE
Generally, I agree. Our economy is shaping up a lot better, so there is no reason to delay our next city. I should have moved the settler into place (its in Cuzco).
I was hoping to get to this over the weekend but RL was in the way. Will play tonight.
Before I started I did three things. Moved the settler to the new city location, moved the GG to Cuzco for settling and diverted two workers to hook up the wine at the new city.
Akkad founded.
Decide against any trades at the moment.
I start a market in capital and granary in Ulundi and Temple in Tiwanaku (for priest).
I whip a courthouse in Cordoba. It already has granary and aqueduct, should these count as part of our five buildings?
Civil Service comes in and I start on Metal Casing. I revolt to Organised Religion and Bureaucracy, followed by switch to Buddhism.
I have a spy in Izzy's territory and one headed for Ramses. I change weightings to give max to these two.
I've started a settler in Cuzco maybe for fish/horses on west coast.
We have a source of income nearby.
Metal Casing in 4, I think Machinery and Engineering and endless warfare
I think our attack order should be Ramses, Darius, Isabella and then Vicky.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/88650/OB04_AD-1000.CivBeyondSwordSave
Akkad founded.
Decide against any trades at the moment.
I start a market in capital and granary in Ulundi and Temple in Tiwanaku (for priest).
I whip a courthouse in Cordoba. It already has granary and aqueduct, should these count as part of our five buildings?
Civil Service comes in and I start on Metal Casing. I revolt to Organised Religion and Bureaucracy, followed by switch to Buddhism.
I have a spy in Izzy's territory and one headed for Ramses. I change weightings to give max to these two.
I've started a settler in Cuzco maybe for fish/horses on west coast.
We have a source of income nearby.
Metal Casing in 4, I think Machinery and Engineering and endless warfare
I think our attack order should be Ramses, Darius, Isabella and then Vicky.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/88650/OB04_AD-1000.CivBeyondSwordSave
Ralph_Jackson
Emperor
Well if I have read the Roster correctly I am up and this is my got it, will have report up by Wednesday evening
Cities Settled
1. Babylon
2. Akkad
Cities Captured
1. Cuzco
2. Tiwanaku
3. Ulundi
4. Toledo
5. Cordoba
Civics Changes
1. Tribalism -> Slavery
2. Despotism -> Representation
3. Bureaucracy & Org Religion
Great People Used
Scientist (Academy)
Wonders Built
1. Pyramids
2. Moai Statues
City Builds
1. Babylon - Barracks, Granary, Library, Market
2. Cuzco - Barracks, Granary, Library, Market
3. Tiwanaku Granary, Market, Temple
4. Ulundi - Library , Granary, Courthouse
5. Toledo - Granary , Courthouse
6. Cordoba - Granary, Aqueduct, Courthouse
7. Akkad - Granary
__________________
So thoughts
First the above list is based on current builds completing and is well worth a check..
Tiwanaku I guess is intended to run a priest when its temple is complete however Babylon is leading the GP race to produce a useless scientist.
Option 1 is second temple + priest in Tiwanaku so it overtakes Babylon
Option 2 run merchants in Babylon and gamble on getting a merchant / Great prophet out of Babylon?
Option 3 Merchants in Tiwanaku (pure pool) + turn off specialists in Babylon and gamble the maoi statues pop us a prophet later??
Personally I favour guaranteeing a Prophet from Tiwanaku with 2 priests and gambling the 2nd GP is a merchant in Babylon by switching to 2 merchants there now?
Views definitely welcome..
Other than that.
1. Have we decided if we can move the palace ?
2. Basically research through to Macemen before launching the next war versus Egypt. I guess we raze and re-settle 2 prime sites to complete our "5"
3. Then going for Engineering and continue warring
Is this the agreed city for cuzco's settler
Cities Settled
1. Babylon
2. Akkad
Cities Captured
1. Cuzco
2. Tiwanaku
3. Ulundi
4. Toledo
5. Cordoba
Civics Changes
1. Tribalism -> Slavery
2. Despotism -> Representation
3. Bureaucracy & Org Religion
Great People Used
Scientist (Academy)
Wonders Built
1. Pyramids
2. Moai Statues
City Builds
1. Babylon - Barracks, Granary, Library, Market
2. Cuzco - Barracks, Granary, Library, Market
3. Tiwanaku Granary, Market, Temple
4. Ulundi - Library , Granary, Courthouse
5. Toledo - Granary , Courthouse
6. Cordoba - Granary, Aqueduct, Courthouse
7. Akkad - Granary
__________________
So thoughts
First the above list is based on current builds completing and is well worth a check..
Tiwanaku I guess is intended to run a priest when its temple is complete however Babylon is leading the GP race to produce a useless scientist.
Option 1 is second temple + priest in Tiwanaku so it overtakes Babylon
Option 2 run merchants in Babylon and gamble on getting a merchant / Great prophet out of Babylon?
Option 3 Merchants in Tiwanaku (pure pool) + turn off specialists in Babylon and gamble the maoi statues pop us a prophet later??
Personally I favour guaranteeing a Prophet from Tiwanaku with 2 priests and gambling the 2nd GP is a merchant in Babylon by switching to 2 merchants there now?
Views definitely welcome..
Other than that.
1. Have we decided if we can move the palace ?
2. Basically research through to Macemen before launching the next war versus Egypt. I guess we raze and re-settle 2 prime sites to complete our "5"
3. Then going for Engineering and continue warring
Is this the agreed city for cuzco's settler
Oops, forgot about a roster, thanks Ralph.
I think pure prophet is the way to go. Means at some stage we have to turn of the scientists.
What do we think about captured buildings? Should they count towards the 5? I would say no as we have no say in them.
Moving the palace to Cuzco might be a good idea, especially the 50% production boost from bureaucracy.
As for the settler site, looking at it again I'm not sure (although it will have decent production). We have 4 more cities to settle. Might be worth checking the Egyptian and Spanish borders for sites we can raze/resettle. If there aren't 4 good sites close to home then this is the best in our current lands.
I think pure prophet is the way to go. Means at some stage we have to turn of the scientists.
What do we think about captured buildings? Should they count towards the 5? I would say no as we have no say in them.
Moving the palace to Cuzco might be a good idea, especially the 50% production boost from bureaucracy.
As for the settler site, looking at it again I'm not sure (although it will have decent production). We have 4 more cities to settle. Might be worth checking the Egyptian and Spanish borders for sites we can raze/resettle. If there aren't 4 good sites close to home then this is the best in our current lands.
Had a quick look at the save. Madrid has 3 crab, cow and wine and Bantu (English) has 3 sugar, clam, gems and corn. These are resettlement sites for sure as they are on our borders now.
We can also trade for hapiness resources with Ramses (forgot to check this before).
We can also trade for hapiness resources with Ramses (forgot to check this before).
Ralph_Jackson
Emperor
Well a pretty quiet set of builder turns as we go down the Machinery Engineering path whilst preparing for a long war ahead so dont worry all you frothing at the mouth types this will probably be the last peaceful turn set of the game.
Do a couple of resource trades with rameses and darius to boost happiness and cash to accelerate research
Key events
We raised the Barb city to generate a bit of cash but probably more beneficial picking up an extra worker to continue developing tiles.
Naturally this gap was unnoticed for long and Isabella is in the mood for expansion sending off 2 settlers.
1 promptly replaced the Barb city we had razed so will probably be the first city to go down in the next war.
After this we picked up the Random event that gives us some beakers towards metal Casting I chose to invest 35 gold for a 50% chance of extra beakers thinking they would also go to Metal Casting but actually they just gave us some of Theology
We got another insignificant event later
Now the Apostolic Place is in play and we need to be careful re Rameses as he has a very dominant position and we dont want him voting himself a victory!! How we deal with this should probably be agreed for implementation next set.
Having researched Metal casting I decided to trade it for theology with rameses as it unlocks a good war civic and the tech was wide spread so rameses could pick it up somewhere else if we refused.
Once Machinery was in we started on Engineering and producing Macemen.. Amongst this we also have been spawning Hindu missionaries so we can leverage Theocracy / Hinudism combo if we want but have had no luck in spreading the religion.
EOT
6 turns from Engineering.
Now into heavy Macemen mode ready for war
When we are ready to go out of Org religion I guess we go Police State / theocracy
Havent picked up Feudalism as no suitable trade available (dont want to give Machinery to Rameses.)
Tiwanaku will pop our needed Prophet before Babylon, we might be lucky and get a merchant (I ran them for a while to give us a chance) but expect we will get a useless scientist / 2nd Prophet.
Issies other settler is looking for a home.
We have pre built a settler as I agree with Ozbennon that better sites will be available once we have razed some AI cities
Do a couple of resource trades with rameses and darius to boost happiness and cash to accelerate research
Key events
We raised the Barb city to generate a bit of cash but probably more beneficial picking up an extra worker to continue developing tiles.
Naturally this gap was unnoticed for long and Isabella is in the mood for expansion sending off 2 settlers.
1 promptly replaced the Barb city we had razed so will probably be the first city to go down in the next war.
After this we picked up the Random event that gives us some beakers towards metal Casting I chose to invest 35 gold for a 50% chance of extra beakers thinking they would also go to Metal Casting but actually they just gave us some of Theology
We got another insignificant event later
Now the Apostolic Place is in play and we need to be careful re Rameses as he has a very dominant position and we dont want him voting himself a victory!! How we deal with this should probably be agreed for implementation next set.
Having researched Metal casting I decided to trade it for theology with rameses as it unlocks a good war civic and the tech was wide spread so rameses could pick it up somewhere else if we refused.
Once Machinery was in we started on Engineering and producing Macemen.. Amongst this we also have been spawning Hindu missionaries so we can leverage Theocracy / Hinudism combo if we want but have had no luck in spreading the religion.
EOT
6 turns from Engineering.
Now into heavy Macemen mode ready for war
When we are ready to go out of Org religion I guess we go Police State / theocracy
Havent picked up Feudalism as no suitable trade available (dont want to give Machinery to Rameses.)
Tiwanaku will pop our needed Prophet before Babylon, we might be lucky and get a merchant (I ran them for a while to give us a chance) but expect we will get a useless scientist / 2nd Prophet.
Issies other settler is looking for a home.
We have pre built a settler as I agree with Ozbennon that better sites will be available once we have razed some AI cities
Well done Ralph!
I think we need to head after Ramses then Darius as they are the most advanced. We should make razing the Apostolic Palace a priority. Once Engineering comes in, we should run 0% research to upgrade all our troops, while building trebs.
Roster
Ozbenno
Ralph_Jackson - Done
Conroe - UP
Kodii - On Deck
Mighty Dewaarf
I think we need to head after Ramses then Darius as they are the most advanced. We should make razing the Apostolic Palace a priority. Once Engineering comes in, we should run 0% research to upgrade all our troops, while building trebs.
Roster
Ozbenno
Ralph_Jackson - Done
Conroe - UP
Kodii - On Deck
Mighty Dewaarf
Got it. It'll be tomorrow at the earliest before I can play.
A shame you didn't whip us some boats for coastal defense.
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