I've been trying to do an Immortal OCC recently. I've tried twice now in between other games. Both times I end up just getting swarmed by my neighbors sometime around XBows. I found the Civ 4 OCC thread on this forum but I couldn't find one for Civ 5. Is there one? Is there another resource I could find info on OCC games? I've been running Ethiopia as they seem to be a good OCC civ (Also because I figured I'd get 2 achievements at once, The OCC achievement and the Win With Ethiopia achievement). Early religion without having to research Pottery thanks to Stele and a defensive combat bonus against everyone (even Venice eventually gets 2 cities). Normally before XBows everybody is all cool with the dude who's not expanding. Some AIs settle close to me but nobody has gotten inside my 3rd ring so far. I am bribing the nearest warmongers. I'm not stealing workers from anybody (I only have 3 rings of tiles I need to improve). I might have 1 CS ally so I'm not really competing against anyone in that area. I don't compete for Wonders because I'm to busy building infrastructure and the few units I can squeeze in. But right about that time is when people finally start coveting my lands and they start to see I'm weak in production and think I'm a pushover. And with so little production I just can't seem to produce enough units by Machinery to defend against the amount of units they produce at Immortal. I'm seriously thinking of backing down to Emperor for this challenge. One thing I haven't tried is farming XP on a CS. I'll do that on the next game. Maybe if I can get lvl 5 CBows that'll help.