I have all turns saved using CAII so that information is already to hand. I actually had two weak civs down to one city each but kept them in check to try and help with tech progress so my condition for (a)could have been beaten, even by my poor warmongering standards! I actually played a quick fire 50-60 turns after posting just before going to work. Every 7 turns I have an archer to kill but it won't take very long now. However the first two checkpoints are a good idea. People can then choose to abandon their game once the milk phase comes in. Should we change b to "when your score eclipses all other civs' scores" as my remaining civs were not the highest scorers? Your choice Standard map. I'd be happy to play again on a different map. I would just need to ask someone else to check that the map we play is a single landmass before we start or I could start it a couple of days before posting it. The game is a fun variant IMO because of the OCC handicap so I will play another game like this soon. Trying it out as the Celts offers a different challenge. Regent it is then! Having got this far, I think I should set up a Celts regent level game. Just let me know how many civs and how large the map should be. I'll probably submit my other attempt as a HoF attempt and post a thread telling you all what I did as I kept a timeline of key events. I lost some of it in a powercut when we had some thunderstorms over here the other day but I have most of it and some screenshots of when I KO'd the various civs. This will give other people a guide to what I did and a target to beat! Does that sound OK?