Official 2004-2005 NFL Football Thread

[Azale]

HOFer in my opinion. Leading tackler in Cowboys history, best player on this team for atleast 3 years (yes, better than Emmitt in those years). Stayed with 1 team his whole career, and was always a GREAT safety. His talents never really declined noticeably. I think he held together a pretty good Cowboys defense too, as this year they really fell off. Just now thier starting to recover thier form.

 

[tjedge1]

I heard it was being considered, but ut hadn't been made final. Unless he is retiring to injury this would be foolish for Jerry to let him.

 

[Azale]

Well, he had planned to comeback in November, but the back hasnt gotten any better. He's like 35 and has a great career, so I can see where he is coming from.

 

[pawpaw]

I'm out of here!

kurt warner says will not be eli's back up, mentions chicago, miami and dallas.

 

[pawpaw]

Well, he had planned to comeback in November, but the back hasnt gotten any better. He's like 35 and has a great career, so I can see where he is coming from.

did it today, offical.

any new news on the mike martz-kyle turley situation?

 

[tjedge1]

Kurt Warner says he won't be the backup, or did his agent (his wife) say he won't. I hope he stays away from Dallas. They need a starting QB. Not another Vinny. Of course I respect Vinny far more than I do Kurt.

 

[pawpaw]

Kurt Warner says he won't be the backup, or did his agent (his wife) say he won't.

kurt did, but you don't mean agent ( wife ) you mean boss right

 

[Azale]

you people really hate Warner

 

[tjedge1]

Boss, agent, does it matter. She says "jump" he says "how high?"


I don't hate Warner, just think his day is gone. That thumb he injured has ruined his accuracy, and his wife is overbearingly humilliating. He isn't the starter he used to be. He's just a good qb, that can only get the starting job when there is no competition to start.

 

[pawpaw]

and lets face it, he " lucked " into his 2 great years, the rams had 5 great o-linemen, 4-5 very good receivers, a good tightend, a great fullback and a great runningback, it was an offense just waiting to exploded.

 

[warmwaffles]

No kidin Kurt is turning into Emit Smith needs to retire but decides not to and becomes a ******

 

[Azale]

Kurt was the leader of those Rams teams, if some average QB was on there you would see probably only a playoff berth. Those Ram teams went 7-0 three straight years!

And this year, I watched several Giants games. He looked pretty accurate to me. His wife is another issue, but I havnt heard anything from her in NY yet

 

[dgfred]

Kurt was the leader of those Rams teams, if some average QB was on there you would see probably only a playoff berth. Those Ram teams went 7-0 three straight years!

And this year, I watched several Giants games. He looked pretty accurate to me. His wife is another issue, but I havnt heard anything from her in NY yet

I agree . From bag-boy at grocery store to SUPER BOWL
(the 'my' dream). Very accurate, fearless in the pocket, good decision maker,
and team leader. He found the right place at exactly the right time ,
and made the most of it. Not just any QB could have done the job. His wife
is another story though .

 

[pawpaw]

disagreeing with someone on another forum, he claims dion sanders was the greatest defensive back ever. I disagree because for 1 big reason, he was a defensive liability against the run--he was soft and everyone knew it and ran to his side. Do we think he was so great because of sportscenter? All the those " fancy" interception or punt returns with the high stepping and hand behind the head that we failed to see the other 58 minutes of the game? To counter i put up a defensive back who played at the same time as him--rod woodson, 11 time all pro--last 3 at a new position when he switched to safety ( he could tackle )

sanders
51 int's
8 forced fumbles
4 recovered
9 int returned for t.d.
3 kickoffs returned for t.d.
6 punts returned for t.d.
woodson
71 int's
12 forced fumbles
17 recovered
12 int's returned for t.d.
2 kickoffs for t.d.
2 punt returns for t.d.

i say woodson's a much better player all around

 

[tjedge1]

My picks for the week:

Cincinnati over Philadelphia
Houston over Cleveland
Tennessee over Detroit
Green Bay over Chicago
Baltimore over Miami
Minnesota over Washington
Carolina over New Orleans
NY Jets over St. Louis
Buffalo over Pittsburgh
New England over San Francisco
Atlanta over Seattle
Arizona over Tampa Bay
Indianapolis over Denver
Jacksonville over Oakland
San Diego over Kansas City
Dallas over NY Giants

I also agree that Woodson was better. The one thing Deion was the best at was pass coverage. He shut down half the field in passing because of reputation alone. But as overall greatest DB ever, not even close. There were others before Sanders and Woodson, too, that I would always think were better than either.

 

[Syterion]

Ronnie Lott and Lester hayes were the two greatest, IMO.

Picks-

Cincinnati over Philadelphia
Houston over Cleveland
Tennessee over Detroit
Green Bay over Chicago
Baltimore over Miami
Minnesota over Washington
Carolina over New Orleans
NY Jets over St. Louis
Buffalo over Pittsburgh
New England over San Francisco
Seattle over Atlanta (Is there anything Atlanta has to gain from this game?)
Tampa Bay over Arizona
Indianapolis over Denver
Jacksonville over Oakland
San Diego over Kansas City
Dallas over NY Giants

 

[Azale]

Its basically the Sanders vs Smith argument for me, I think Emmit Smith is better than Barry Sanders. You see all those fancy runs and such from Sanders, but you didnt see the stat that showed he regularly lead the NFL in negative yardage and would be pulled out of goalline situations.

I think Deion is somewhat overrated, Woodson is better, but he was a total shutdown corner in his day. And now, at 38 or so he is still a pretty good cornerback.

 

[Syterion]

I don't think that you can blame negative yardage on a running back. Negative yardage is almost always a product of defensive penetration. I'd be willing to bet that the running back who leads negative yardage has a terrible O-line. And Barry never had a great team, so he had to run quite a bit, meaning that he had many chances for his line to let someone through.

 

[pawpaw]

I don't think that you can blame negative yardage on a running back. Negative yardage is almost always a product of defensive penetration. I'd be willing to bet that the running back who leads negative yardage has a terrible O-line.

I think he's refering to his style of running--the scatback--like o.j. or walter payton, the twisting, turning, cutback that ended in either a 25 yard run or 4 yard loss. exciting style but not what you want in the 4th quarter or goal line.

 

[tjedge1]

That's exactly right. I believe the better guys all around are the consistent ones. I watched Sanders, he was very exciting, but he was tackled alot for negative yards because he was running past his blockers. Yeah he was quick and speedy, but sometimes patience makes consistency. Sanders had the best juke I ever saw, but he never followed the blockers. That would I my mind make Emmitt better, because he followed his blocker. I am not saying that Emmitt was a better athlete, but he played his position more consistant. Which is what you want on a 4th and goal with 2 seconds and your behind by 4.

P.S.- Ronnie Lott was the first corner to enter my mind earlier when mentioning the best ever DB. He was like Roy Williams and Deion in 1 package.