Official announcement: Hot off the presses. Next Civ game in development!!!!!!!

*Sigh* This same old crap is dredged up all the time. It's the age we live in, unfortunately.

Civ VI did a very good of diversity both with the civs and gender. Sadly, some people are just never satisfied.
Like, whether or not something is Eurocentric doesn't make it good or bad, it just makes it Eurocentric. And, in a game about human civilization, it is an entirely valid critique. And yes, it good thing to keep pushing Firaxis to do better. Progress is good but more progress is even better.
 
I know that, because I actually play civ games, but I'm not sure what your point here is.
Well, the fact that, in the real world, neither a nation or revolution is necessarily down for the count because all of their major urban centres are seized or destroyed. But, in civ a game, and the limits imposed by that to make the game workable, which is very often highly unrealistic in many, many areas, you seem to feel revolting cities should br managed in game reallity different than conquered civ's. How do figure that, if I may ask?
 
I really like this list except I would choose Guarani/Paraguay instead of the Muisca and unsure about the Timurids.
To me the Timurids feel like they would overlap with Mongolia, and Mongolia isn't going anywhere. I've been a big proponent lately of having a separate Mughal civ from India, which was founded by a descendant of both Timur and Genghis Khan anyway. :)
Like, whether or not something is Eurocentric doesn't make it good or bad, it just makes it Eurocentric. And, in a game about human civilization, it is an entirely valid critique. And yes, it good thing to keep pushing Firaxis to do better. Progress is good but more progress is even better.
I think the more appropriate term would be Western centric, but that's just how history has played out referring to many of the major world powers. I do think Civ 6 is at least the best in terms of diversity. I think they could have given us another indigenous civ from North America and something in the Maghreb region of North Africa, at least.
 
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As long as there are more gamers in the USA than any other country on earth it's not egocentrism, it's Economic Reality, like it or not. (And not to say I like it, but I recognize it, and also the fact that second most numerous gamers are from China, and either of those two front runners have more gamers than the next 5 countries combined: Lichtenstein might be the most potentially popular Civ to add to the game, but it will have an Uphill struggle to get in!)
The number of gamers in China is double the entire population of the US. So I do not know where you get your information from.

In 2022 the number of gamers in China was at 694 million, down from the previous year of 706 million.

The number of gamers in the US is around 225 million I believe.
 
I expect
- Siam to come back along with Vietnam (so they'd appear twice, while Khmer already have appeared twice)
- Malaysia or Philippines instead of Indonesia, as it was present twice in a row
- Either no Australia and Canada at all or just one of them coming back
I doubt Malaysia or Philippines will be put into the game instead of Indonesia. They aren't as significant as Indonesia/Majapahit history wise. Malaysia wasn't united until British rule. It was a bunch of small Sultanates. Philippines would be a post-colonial Civ.
Myanmar/Burma is also a possibility for the mainland SE Asian Civ, despite the recent terrible government.

Nah, I think Australia and Canada are here to stay.....:p

I honestly won't buy Civ7 at release. I'll wait for all my favorite Civs to be added through DLCs and Expansions. I know Firaxis is probably gonna stick with a bunch of the same leaders. I call them Perma-leaders. Ex: Genghis Khan, a Montezuma leading the Aztecs, Gandhi for India, etc
 
Like, whether or not something is Eurocentric doesn't make it good or bad, it just makes it Eurocentric. And, in a game about human civilization, it is an entirely valid critique. And yes, it good thing to keep pushing Firaxis to do better. Progress is good but more progress is even better.
There's more to progress, and more to oppression, than demographics, though you'd never know that by the Modern Western Social Discourse. However, both Social Conservatives and Social Progressives have alienated me through their tendency and insistence on historical revisionism, sometimes to a shameless and overt degree.
 
I doubt Malaysia or Philippines will be put into the game instead of Indonesia. They aren't as significant as Indonesia/Majapahit history wise. Malaysia wasn't united until British rule. It was a bunch of small Sultanates. Philippines would be a post-colonial Civ.
Also, Hayam Wuruk has to at least make an appearance. We've already had his prime minister and mother.
I honestly won't buy Civ7 at release. I'll wait for all my favorite Civs to be added through DLCs and Expansions. I know Firaxis is probably gonna stick with a bunch of the same leaders. I call them Perma-leaders. Ex: Genghis Khan, a Montezuma leading the Aztecs, Gandhi for India, etc
You forgot everyone's favorite one Alexander. :p
 
To me the Timurids feel like they would overlap with Mongolia, and Mongolia isn't going anywhere. I've been a big proponent lately of having a separate Mughal civ from India, which was founded by a descendant of both Timur and Genghis Khan anyway. :)

I think the more appropriate term would be Western centric, but that's just how history has played out referring to many of the major world powers. I do think Civ 6 is at least the best in terms of diversity. I think they could have given us another indigenous civ from North America and something in the Maghreb region of North Africa, at least.

Yes, it is time that India was divided up better. India is as culturally diverse as Europe is. So, I support the Mughals, for starters.

Also agree about the Timurids. I see them essentially as a relatively short lived culturally Mongol empire/successor state. IMHO, too much overlap with Mongolia. Mind you, Timur the Lame would have to be OP busted military wise. He was a genius in that aspect.

Yeah, I was hoping for another native american civ, too. Hoping for the Inuit in Civ VII. 🙂

I think Civ VI did a very good job diversity wise. Hopefully it'll be repeated in Civ VII.
 
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I think the more appropriate term would be Western centric
Given that most Western civs in the game are of European origin, I think Eurocentric works fine as a term.

but that's just how history has played out referring to many of the major world powers.
Sure, for recent history, but Civ is supposed to cover all of history and, even if you date Europe's rise to global power in the 1500s, that only around 500 years out of 6000 years of history. Like, I don't think its surprising that a game mostly aimed at Western audience has a Western bias but that doesn't mean you can't critique it on that point. Even the devs have said its a goal of theirs work on the issue.
 
I really like this list except I would choose Guarani/Paraguay instead of the Muisca and unsure about the Timurids.

As a Canadian, I would like to see Canada come back but if they have an extra native american civ instead, then I'm fine with that.
The Muisca would be far more interesting, in my opinion.
Yeah, I was hoping for another native american civ, too. Hoping for the Inuit in Civ VII. 🙂
The problem is, the Inuit have built no cities of their own.
Given that most Western civs in the game are of European origin, I think Eurocentric works fine as a term.


Sure, for recent history, but Civ is supposed to cover all of history and, even if you date Europe's rise to global power in the 1500s, that only around 500 years out of 6000 years of history
The concept of global powers didn't exist before the 1500's. All powers were regional prior to that.
 
Maybe Firaxis could do separate Asian/Pre-Columbian/Your-culture-here biased Civ's to placate the critics, and stick with the "Euro-Centric" winning formula that's been a runaway success since 1991 on the main title.

Just sayin'..........................
 
Maybe Firaxis could do separate Asian/Pre-Columbian/Your-culture-here biased Civ's to placate the critics, and stick with the "Euro-Centric" winning formula that's been a runaway success since 1991 on the main title.

Just sayin'...

You know what else has been winning formula? Steadily adding more civs from more regions of the world, as every civ game sells more copies than the former one ;) and as the addition of, for example, Brazil, or Indonesia, or Vietnam makes for a great advertisement of the game in those countries.
 
May I ask, apart from the lack of cultural representation, I know a lot of the euro-centrism also comes from things such as the other sub-systems like Technologies. Are there any other people find "annoying"?
 
On the topic of civs from the steppe: The Khazars would be a good pick. They even have a list of actual cities to work with.

I'd personally love to see both a decentralization/commonwealth mechanic and a revolution mechanic.

A return of Civ IV BtS's vassals and colonies mechanics would be awesome too! Especially if the colony mechanic was tied to a special class of colonial civilizations that can only be founded mid-late game, but the player could opt to control instead of the civ they started with. Obviously the Americans, Brazilians, et. all would fall into this unique class.

Plus more ancient, African, and Native American civs!
 
Just a reminder not to harass, coerce, or threaten any devs, playtesters, members of the media, or streamers/youtubers who may have a hands-on preview. They are probably under an NDA that prevents them from discussing Civ 7, either generally or in detail.

Curious if anyone has watched Potato McWhiskey's video on the Civ VII news.


It's pretty obvious from his skepticism re: VII that he does not have an advanced copy, or any inside info on VII as of yet. Thought that was interesting.

Honestly, I'm so desperate for VII info that I am grasping at all straws (real or imagined).
 
The number of gamers in China is double the entire population of the US. So I do not know where you get your information from.

In 2022 the number of gamers in China was at 694 million, down from the previous year of 706 million.

The number of gamers in the US is around 225 million I believe.
Well, I've spent the last 24 hours trying to find out where I got those figures, but can't. They are so far off I suspect I simply mis-read figures for a single game, or game company, but can't tell at this point (they are at least several years old).
I am a little surprised by the totals shown, though. By those, over half the people of all ages in the USA would have to be computer gamers, and on a personal level, that has never been my experience unless you counted Solitaire on a cellphone as a 'computer game' - which, I suppose, is technically accurate.

Now I just wonder, with that kind of market, why everyone and his weird uncle aren't building and trying to sell computer games . . .
 
Curious if anyone has watched Potato McWhiskey's video on the Civ VII news.


It's pretty obvious from his skepticism re: VII that he does not have an advanced copy, or any inside info on VII as of yet. Thought that was interesting.

Honestly, I'm so desperate for VII info that I am grasping at all straws (real or imagined).
Are we supposed to be surprised that he doesn't even have an advanced copy considering for all we know they just started developing the game?
 
Curious if anyone has watched Potato McWhiskey's video on the Civ VII news.


It's pretty obvious from his skepticism re: VII that he does not have an advanced copy, or any inside info on VII as of yet. Thought that was interesting.

Honestly, I'm so desperate for VII info that I am grasping at all straws (real or imagined).
Oh, I would have to bet that no Streamer/YouTuber is going to get a hands on until very close to, or just after the marketing begins.

I only put that caveat in there because a few YouTubers like Quill18 got a hands-on the month after the Civ 6 marketing campaign kicked off. I don't think he had access or knowledge very far in advance of that.
 
Are we supposed to be surprised that he doesn't even have an advanced copy considering for all we know they just started developing the game?
There's no way that they just started. The overwhelming majority of the Civilization team isn't working on the latest DLC and surely they've been doing something in all the time since Gathering Storm.
 
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