OFFICIAL DISCUSSION: Government Structure, Branches & Duties

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ravensfire said:
"I don't knows" are bad reasons to keep things in a ruleset. I think you need to clarify, move or remove them. If you don't know what they mean, why do you assume someone else does?

I would suggest not continually editing the same post though, and repost the changed sections. It's a great deal easier for everyone to read and follow.

-- Ravensfire

The will of the citizenry, do they want it removed? I have no idea, your post however seems to lean to having them removed, and I likely will sooner or later.

Also, posting almost the same thing over and over again is usually considered spam. Now do you understand why? Don't worry to much, I'll post a sub-draft and a final draft sooner or later.
 
DaveShack said:
If the version Strider posted was copied from my starting point thread, then I can explain the "worker allocation" thing. Actually, I can explain it anyway even if it wasn't copied from my thread. :D

The concept is to have domestic control how many workers each province has, but let the governors handle instructions on what tiles to improve and how. The DP then has lattitude to accomplish the governor's priorities in the most efficient way.

BTW this is a perfect example of the way work would be divided in the alternative proposal.

I copied it straight out of the DG5 constitution thread.

Also, thanks for clarifing that. I'll prolly end up removing it, better to just let the governors say what tiles they want improved, and let the DP decide when to do it during that turnchat (and with which workers). No need to appease Disorganizer, he's not here anymore :).
 
We, the people of $COUNTRY_NAME, in order to create an atmosphere of
friendship, cooperation, and pride, establish this Constitution of our
beloved country. We uphold the beliefs that each citizen must
have an equal voice in the government and ruling of our country,
that government itself is a construct of and servant to the people,
that rules, regulations, and laws should be established to
facilitate the active participation of the people and to make
possible the dreams and desires of the citizens.

Article A. Citizen Rights
All Civfanatics Forum users who register in the Citizen Registry are citizens of our country. Citizens have the right to assemble, the right to free movement, the right to free speech, the right to a fair and speedy trial, the right to representation, the right to seek to redress grievances and the right to vote.

Article B. Laws and Rules
Governing laws and rules shall consist of these Articles of the Constitution, the Code of Laws, and any administrative rules that a governmental official shall propose and are accepted by the people. No law or rule shall be valid which is in contravention of this Constitution, excepting an amendment specifically tasked to do so. The Constitution may be amended by vote of the citizenry.

Article C. Basic Government
The government will consist of the Executive Branch, Legislative Branch and Judicial Branch.

Article D. The Executive Branch
The Executive branch is responsible for determining and implementing the will of the People, and is headed by the President. The President is charged with organizing and monitoring the affairs of the Ministers, and is also the primary designated player. The President shall take direction from a council of leaders and from other elected and appointed officials via the turnchat instruction thread, including worker actions. The President is also charged with appointing citizens to uncontested elections, the election office, and the Naming Commission.

Section 1. Domestic Affairs
The Minister of Domestic Affairs shall be responsible for all domestic initiatives and the distribution of funds.

Section 2. Foreign Affairs
The Minister of Foreign Affairs shall be responsiblefor matters involving treaties with foreign nations as well as all espionage and embassy missions.

Section 3. Defensive Affairs
The Minister of Defense shall be responsible for all military strategy, troop activities, and unit upgrades.

Section 4. Trade
The Minister of Trade shall be responsible for negotiating trades both domestic and foreign, and monitored rival civs trade status.

Section 5. Research and Technology
The Minister of Science shall be responsible for all tech acquisition, foreign and domestic, and the construction of space ship parts.

Section 6. Cultural Affairs
The Minister of Culture shall be responsible for the construction of wonders, as well as the analysis and maintenance of cultural borders. This official shall also be responsible for monitoring Japanatica's cultural level against that of all rival nations.

Article E. Legislative Branch
The Legislative Branch shall be formed of the House of the People and Governors of [Insert Nation Name Here].

Section 1. The House of the People
The House of the People will be formed of the entirety of the citizenry and is responsible for the drafting of new Laws and Amendments to the Constitution. The House will present all proposed Articles, Amendments and Laws to the Judicial Branch for review.

Section 2. The Governors
Governors are responsible for the care, management, use of the cities, and use of lands of a province through the setting of build queues, allocation of laborers on tiles, population rushes and drafting of citizen soldiers.

Section 3. Mayors
Mayors are appointed by a governor and tasked with the ability to monitor and advise governors for the care, management, and used of the cities. They are limited to the power the governor gives them.

Article F. The Judicial Branch
The Judicial Branch will consist of one Chief Justice, one Public Defender and a Judge Advocate. These three justices are tasked with upholding the Constitution and its supporting laws (if any) in a fair and impartial manner as prescribed by law. The Chief Justice shall have the additional responsibility to organize and conduct the affairs of the Judicial Branch. The Public Defender will act as council to an accused individual. The Judge Advocate will act as the prosecution.

Section 1. Judicial Procedures
The elected Judiciary shall create there procedures once elect it, to be located in the first post of the Judiciary thread. Any change following the Judiciary's acceptance of these procedures will require the Will of the Citizenry.

Article G. Elections, the Election Office, and Deputies
The Elections determine the elected officials of [insert country name here]. Elected Officials shall have a fixed term of one month, starting from the first of the month. All elected officials must act according to the Will of the People, as mentioned below in Article J.

Section 1. Elections
All elected positions shall have a fixed term of onemonth. Each position will be granted to the candidatereceiving the largest number of votes in that election. In the event of a tie between two or more frontrunners, a runoff poll shall be opened between thosecandidates only. This poll shall run for 2 days, and be repeated as often as needed to resolve the tie. Nominations shall begin on the 24th of each month at 0:00 GMT. Debates will be held on the 26th of the month, at 0:00 GMT. The Elections will be held on the 27th of the month, at 0:00 GMT

Section 2. The Election Office
The Election Office shall be comprised of those citizens
willing to assist the election process. These citizens are
nominated by the President, and are subject to a confirmation
poll. The Election Office shall determine before each election who
will post the threads for that election. The Election Office shall maintain on the initial post of their thread the dates for the current and next election cycle. The Election Office shall solicit and maintain a common list of debate questions for each office. This list shall be posted as soon as possible in each debate thread. Any non-trivial differences in the dates/times threads are posted from the scheduled time should be noted by the Election Office official posting the thread.

Section 3. Deputies
All Executive and Legislative positions shall have a deputy. The Deputy will be permitted to conduct the affairs of the office as directed, or during a planned Absence of the elected official. If no instructions have been posted for an office within 24 hours of the upcoming Turn Chat, the deputy for that office may post the official instructions for the office. The Judiciary does not use deputies. In the event of an Absence, a pro-tem justice(s) may be appointed by the Chief Justice (or Judge Advocate if the Chief Justice if absent and confirmed by the President and the remaining justice if not also absent. If both the Chief Justice and the Judge Advocate are absent, the Public Defender may appoint pro-tems to the other seats, with Presidential approval.

Section 3. Appointments
The President will appoint a citizen to any Vacant office. If a deputy exists for that office, the President must appoint that citizen. This appointment may be challenged by any citizen by that citizen posting a confirmation poll within 24 hours of the appointment.

Article H. Multiple Poistions
No person shall hold multiple positions of leadership (President, Vice-President, Department Leader, Judiciary, Provincial Governor, Deputy) simultaneously.

Article I. Census, and Amending the Constitution
The census shall be defined as the average number of votes cast, dropping fractions, in each of the contested elections in the most recent general election. Ratification of Amendments to the Constitution shall require each of the following.

Section 1. Time Limits
A poll which is open for at least 96 hours, which states the text of the proposed new section(s), the text of the section(s) being replaced, and posing the question in the form of yes / no / abstain.

Section 2. Citizen Approval
A 67% majority of Yes votes over No votes, Abstain notwithstanding.

Section 3. Census
A total number of votes greater than or equal to 2/3 the census current at the start of voting on the amendment, dropping any fraction therein.

Article J. The Will of the People
Elected officials must plan and act according to the will of the people. The will of the people will be determined through discussion and polls, formal or informal. If pertinent discussion is done outside the scope of the DG forums, then it must be documented in the Turnchat Instruction Thread 6 hours prior to the commencement of the turnchat by the appropriate leader.

Article K. Turnchats/Turnchat Instruction Thread
All irreversible game actions must progress during a public turnchat, while reversible game actions (i.e. build queues) that adhere to legal instructions can be prepared offline.

Section 1. Turnchat Instruction Thread
A turnchat instruction thread must be created at least 3 days before the chat. All official instructions must be posted in the current turnchat instruction thread. Instructions must be clear and defined. Officials must post their instructions at least one hour prior to the Turnchat. However, offcials may make changes to their instructions up to half an hour before the chat, so long as those changes are noted. The Designated Player shall be charged with the creation of a date and time for all public turnchats.

Article L. CivFanatics Forum Rules
The constitution, laws and standards of Japanatica can never be contrary to the rules and regulations of the Civfanatics forums. Moderators may veto any such constitutional amendments, laws or standards.

Article M. Commission of Game Actions
Commission of any game action by any person other than the Designated Player while carrying out their duties that is not instantly reversible without reloading the save is strictly forbidden. Exception: Determining options in the renegotiation of Peace agreements requires an action of acceptance or war to exit the bargain screen. This may be done but the game must be immediately closed without saving.

Article N. Rights Reserved to the People
Rights reserved to the people As provided by Article A of this constitution, all actions not forbidden by forum rules, or by this Constitution, are presumed to be within the right of every citizen. Actions prescribed by this Constitution may be substituted by other similar actions, provided such substitution lies within the spirit of these rules.

Article O. Provinces
The area contained within the national boundaries of Japanatica shall be divided into areas called provinces, each of which is under the control of a Governor as stated in Article E. of theConstitution. These boundries must be defined and approved by the House well ahead of expansion, and may extend beyond the cultural boundaries. City locations shall be determined by the Will of the People.

Article P. Freedom of Information
All elected/appointed officials are charged with the duty to post enough information for the citizens to make a informed decision. This includes information from the save, discussions, and past polls.

Section 1.Ministry Threads
Each Minister shall post a basic department update, every turnchat, inside of the respective Ministry thread.

Article Q. The Naming Commission
The Naming Commission is charged with the task of creating a list of names for use by the Designated Player in the naming of cities and units.

Section 1. Naming Order
The order shall be decided by the date joined in the registry.

Article R. Slate Polling and Political Parties
Slate Polling, or the agreement among certain citizens to vote for a single candidate is illegal and against the Sprit of the game. As such, political parties are also illegal and against the Sprit of the game.

Section 1. Citizen Groups
Citizen Groups, or a group of citizens who assemble to achieve a single purpose are allowed and within the sprit of the game.

I made some changes, the major ones being the following:

Added Article Q. The Naming Commission (I will change Section Q.1 later to reflect the decisions made in the thread.)
Added Section G.2. The Election Office
Edited Section G.1 with the time/date of nominations/debates/elections.
Added Section E.3 dealing with Mayors.
 
I strongly support Strider's consitution :thumbsup:.
 
I like this better than the last one you proposed, Stider. :thumbsup:
 
Okay, I made some more changes in my sleep. Here's what edits I made:

Changed Section D.4 removing the confusing bit about "use of resources," and adding the responsibility of monitoring AI trades.

Changed Section D.1 removing the also confusing part about "worker allocation," I couldn't think of anything good to replace the lost text, so no additons were made.

Changed Section D.3 giving Military the ability to do unit upgrades (big opps).

Added the Preample :shiftyeyes: (Hey, I forgot... Give me a break)

Toyed around with the Common Sense Clause alittle bit, but ended up screwing everything up and dumping the entire idea. You may all release your breath now.

Added Article R. which outlaws Ravensfire and any variations of him.

Made a change to Article B. putting in the following: "excepting an amendment specifically tasked to do so."

Added Article R. (the real one this time) that outlaws Slate Polling and Political Parties. It's kind of to short for my liking, but I guess it gets the point across. But hell, if anyone can find a way to say the same thing while making it longer, tell me.

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I need to create a "second book," because at this rate I'm going to run out of letters. Give me some input on this though.

I'm calling it a night, I'll let you guys most of tommorow morning and afternoon to review it some more and give me your input.
 
Strider said:
Okay, I made some more changes in my sleep. Here's what edits I made:
You must have the sweetest dreams :lol:

Strider said:
Toyed around with the Common Sense Clause alittle bit, but ended up screwing everything up and dumping the entire idea. You may all release your breath now.
Good riddance to the common sense clause, if people had common sense we wouldn't need it. ;)

Strider said:
Made a change to Article B. putting in the following: "excepting an amendment specifically tasked to do so."
I don't get what that change to Article B. means (typo error?)

Strider said:
Added Article R. (the real one this time) that outlaws Slate Polling and Political Parties. It's kind of to short for my liking, but I guess it gets the point across. But hell, if anyone can find a way to say the same thing while making it longer, tell me.
Slate Polling? What's that?
 
blackheart said:
You must have the sweetest dreams :lol:


Good riddance to the common sense clause, if people had common sense we wouldn't need it. ;)


I don't get what that change to Article B. means (typo error?)


Slate Polling? What's that?
slate polling is when a group votes only for members of that group in elections.

Also we should outlaw slate polling, but not political parties, political parties are people that believe in the same thing(i.e. strong military), which is different from slate polling(which should be outlawedd)
 
Strider said:
Added Article R. which outlaws Ravensfire and any variations of him.
Why Strider, I'm touched. I didn't know you cared so much. :rolleyes:

-- Ravensfire
 
blackheart said:
I don't get what that change to Article B. means (typo error?)

The Added part I made, accounts for changes in executive, legislative, and Judicial Articles. For example, if we were to re-work the entire Judiciary mid-term and have say 2 Judicial Members instead of three, it would be confusing to make the switch mid-term. So the portion I added allows us to pass the article in this term, but it doesn't come into effect untill next term. (Quite possibly the most confusing paragraph I've ever written. Someone... please... save me)

All of Article B. basicly accounts for Organization of Departments/Judiciary. It makes this constitution the supreme law of the land and nothing can contradict it.

Edit: BTW, does anyone else have any comments/suggestions? If you don't like something, please, cuss me out over it. If a part is confusing to you, tell me. Any comments/suggestions would be nice.
 
Strider said:
Article B. Laws and Rules
Governing rules shall consist of these Articles of the Constitution, such amendments that shall follow. No rule shall be valid that contradicts these Articles, excepting an amendment specifically tasked to do so. The Constitution amendments can be added/modified/removed when the need arises.
I suggest this be rewritten as follows:

Governing laws and rules shall consist of these Articles of the Constitution, the Code of Laws, and any administrative rules that a governmental official shall propose and are accepted by the people. No law or rule shall be valid which is in contravention of this Constitution. The Constitution may be amended by vote of the citizenry.
 
YNCS said:
I suggest this be rewritten as follows:

Governing laws and rules shall consist of these Articles of the Constitution, the Code of Laws, and any administrative rules that a governmental official shall propose and are accepted by the people. No law or rule shall be valid which is in contravention of this Constitution. The Constitution may be amended by vote of the citizenry.

Made the edit with your clearer (is it clearer or more clear?) version of Article B. with a slight edit on my part.

This is how it ended up turning out:

Governing laws and rules shall consist of these Articles of the Constitution, the Code of Laws, and any administrative rules that a governmental official shall propose and are accepted by the people. No law or rule shall be valid which is in contravention of this Constitution, excepting an amendment specifically tasked to do so. The Constitution may be amended by vote of the citizenry
 
Made some more edits, so here's what I did:

Made some grammer corrections, if you find anymore grammer mistakes tell me.

Article A. now gives citizens the right to a fair and speedy trial, instead of just a fair one.
Changed Section E.3 to say that Mayors are appointed by governors, forgot to make that apparant before.
Rewrote Article R. It now covers Citizen Groups, as well as Slate Polling and Political Parties.

I was going to add some polling standards, but I decided instead to stop piling everything into one "Book," so expect a rewrite of the DG5 Code of Laws soon, including Polling Standards.

Edit: I'm also going to get all of this crap out of this thread. So once I'm finished with the Code Of Laws, I'll make a new thread including my constitution and code of law proposals.
 
Strider said:
Made some grammer corrections, if you find anymore grammer mistakes tell me.
The word is spelled "grammar."
 
YNCS said:
The word is spelled "grammar."

Thank you, but I meant more of the grammar mistakes in the Proposed Constitution. :lol:
 
These may seem niggling corrections, but here they are. BTW, can you tell that I used to work as a proof-reader?

Article D. The Executive Branch
Section 2. Foreign Affairs
The Minister of Foreign Affairs shall be responsible for matters involving treaties with foreign nations as well as all espionage and embassy missions.

Article F. The Judicial Branch
...The Public Defender will act as counsel for an accused individual. The Judge Advocate will act as the prosecution.

Section 1. Judicial Procedures
The elected Judiciary shall create their procedures once elected it, to be located in the first post of that term's Judiciary thread. Any change after the Judiciary's posting of these procedures will require the Will of the People.

Article G. Elections, the Election Office, and Deputies
Section 1. Elections
All elected positions shall have a fixed term of one month. Each position will be granted to the candidate receiving the largest number of votes in that election. In the event of a tie between two or more candidates with the most votes, a runoff poll shall be opened between those candidates only.

Section 3. Deputies
...In the event of an Absence, a pro-tem justice(s) may be appointed by the Chief Justice (or Judge Advocate if the Chief Justice if absent) and confirmed by the President and the remaining justice if not also absent.

Article K. Turnchats/Turnchat Instruction Thread
Section 1. Turnchat Instruction Thread
...However, officials may make changes to their instructions....

Article L. CivFanatics Forum Rules
The constitution, laws and standards of $COUNTRY_NAME....

Article O. Provinces
The area contained within the national boundaries of $COUNTRY_NAME shall be divided into areas called provinces, each of which is under the control of a Governor as stated in Article E. of the Constitution.
 
This discussion has a poll. It is also summed up in other government structure threads. This thread will now close.
 
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