Older versions for low-end computers?
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Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
Well..
1) I don't see why that computer couldn't handle it. What platform is it running?
2) If it can't handle the current version with all its many code streamlines, an older version is probably LESS likely to be stable.
C2C is built off of some other very involved mods so from the basis of it it was quite heavy. And those came with some significant bugs themselves, many of which have been resolved. We've added a lot of content but we've also gotten things to run a bit smoother as well. So I'm interested to see why your 4gb comp can't handle this mod when my wife's 1GB laptop using a 3GB switch could...
1) I don't see why that computer couldn't handle it. What platform is it running?
2) If it can't handle the current version with all its many code streamlines, an older version is probably LESS likely to be stable.
C2C is built off of some other very involved mods so from the basis of it it was quite heavy. And those came with some significant bugs themselves, many of which have been resolved. We've added a lot of content but we've also gotten things to run a bit smoother as well. So I'm interested to see why your 4gb comp can't handle this mod when my wife's 1GB laptop using a 3GB switch could...
My OS is Windows XP SP3, and the latest version of C2C closes Civ4, even without an error message. 3GB switch crashes the video card recognition (screen gets VGA and 16 colors) But an older build of C2C used to function (i don't remember which version).
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
I'm not sure but I recall someone saying they were trying to compile some backups of older versions... don't know who though. Still, if you get on the SVN, you can backload all the way to when we started using it, so that might be what I'd suggest.
Sorry you're having trouble
3GB switch always worked like a charm for us... but there were a few ways to use it and we had to use an alternative to the primary method. The alternative was located on the same thread a few pages in and was useful for laptops primarily so I don't know if it'd help you any.
Sorry you're having trouble
3GB switch always worked like a charm for us... but there were a few ways to use it and we had to use an alternative to the primary method. The alternative was located on the same thread a few pages in and was useful for laptops primarily so I don't know if it'd help you any.Il Principe
Prince
Is your machine capable of running a 64bit OS? That that worked like a charm for my old PC ( core 2 duo with 2 GB RAM). Although civ 4 is 32 bit , it greatly benefits from 64bit, severely reducing memory allocation failures.
and like Thunderbrd said: The older versions mostly run SLOWER and less stable then the recent ones. I remember running good old RoM on my old PC, with turn times of 10-15 min in early industrial era ( not to mention the MAF every 3-5 turns). But with C2C I never went over 5min, and hardly had any MAF at all. Especially since viewports came in.
Realy strange that your machine can´t handle it, beeing seemingly strogner then my old one.
and like Thunderbrd said: The older versions mostly run SLOWER and less stable then the recent ones. I remember running good old RoM on my old PC, with turn times of 10-15 min in early industrial era ( not to mention the MAF every 3-5 turns). But with C2C I never went over 5min, and hardly had any MAF at all. Especially since viewports came in.
Realy strange that your machine can´t handle it, beeing seemingly strogner then my old one.
Yid
Chieftain
I had the same problem with the Video Card thing. It is possible to reduce the 3GB to, say 2.8GB. It worked for me then.
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
Vid card specs please?
It must have at a minimum (pixel) Shader 2.0 and 512Mb of DDR2 ram. Anything less is 90% no go.
Also since you are using XP 32 bit SP3 do you "Let windows....." run your video performance? If so you Need to set it to Custom or Adjust for Best Peformance in the Video Performance popup you get from Computer Properties/Advanced/Video Performance Screen.
You also need at least 2048MB allocated to Virtual memory. Again found in the Video Performance section thru Computer Properties.
If you are allowing Windows to run your video you are losing to much vid ram to the OS.
What I've outlined is what I've been doing for over 5 years of CIV IV BtS RoM/AND/C2C mod playing and I've never had to use the 3GB switch. Although the 3GB switch is effective.
JosEPh
It must have at a minimum (pixel) Shader 2.0 and 512Mb of DDR2 ram. Anything less is 90% no go.
Also since you are using XP 32 bit SP3 do you "Let windows....." run your video performance? If so you Need to set it to Custom or Adjust for Best Peformance in the Video Performance popup you get from Computer Properties/Advanced/Video Performance Screen.
You also need at least 2048MB allocated to Virtual memory. Again found in the Video Performance section thru Computer Properties.
If you are allowing Windows to run your video you are losing to much vid ram to the OS.
What I've outlined is what I've been doing for over 5 years of CIV IV BtS RoM/AND/C2C mod playing and I've never had to use the 3GB switch. Although the 3GB switch is effective.
JosEPh
Video card is Intel G41 Express Chipset (onboard) 256MB.
How do I do this on Windows XP?
Il Principe
Prince
You don´t happen to life near my place I suppose? 
I should have 2 or 3 old videocards that are about 3times as powerfull on the attic.
I should have 2 or 3 old videocards that are about 3times as powerfull on the attic.
Yudishtira
Spiritual/Creative
Start>Control Panel>System>Advanced(tab) and click on 'Settings' in the 'Performance' box.
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
@robfbms, It's your video card for the most part. You can pick up a better card for less than $30.
BUT, As for the Video Performance settings you get to them by Right Clicking on My Computer and selecting Properties at the bottom of the list.
Once the System Properties popup is displayed select the Advanced tab.
Top section will say Performance (you have to be logged in as Administrator to make adjustments). Click on the Settings button.
This brings up a new popup called Performance Options:
1st tab is Visual Effects. This is where the "let windows choose what's best for my computer" radio button is. You Do Not want Windows to to do this.
Instead select Adjust for Best Performance, or Custom. (Use Custom If you feel comfortable making the selections it offers, I only use 6 of the 16 available)
Next at the Top click the Advanced tab. Under this Tab select Programs under the 1st 2 sections.
Which brings us to the final section Virtual memory. It will list what has been set for the paging file size on your computer. With 4GB of ram you should have this set to at least 2048MB.
If it is lower click the Change button. This brings up a new popup. Select Custom size:
Then set Initial size(MB): to 2048 (can go as high as the amount of Ram in your system (4096MB)
Next set Maximum size(MB): 4096
Then click the Set Button.
Let the computer do it's thing. And Very Important! Once computer has taken your new values click the APPLY button at the Bottom and then Click the OK button. This Must be done in this order for each popup that is still on the screen until all popup windows are gone. (total of 3 popups)
After you have done this restart you computer.
I strongly recommend you write this all down for future reference.
After this get a better video card too! 256MB of Vid ram is way too low. Although there have been players who have used this low of an amount. But they only play on standard map sizes with only 3-5 AI.
You need at least as a bare minimum 512MB but more realistically 1 GB of Vid ram.
JosEPh
BUT, As for the Video Performance settings you get to them by Right Clicking on My Computer and selecting Properties at the bottom of the list.
Once the System Properties popup is displayed select the Advanced tab.
Top section will say Performance (you have to be logged in as Administrator to make adjustments). Click on the Settings button.
This brings up a new popup called Performance Options:
1st tab is Visual Effects. This is where the "let windows choose what's best for my computer" radio button is. You Do Not want Windows to to do this.
Instead select Adjust for Best Performance, or Custom. (Use Custom If you feel comfortable making the selections it offers, I only use 6 of the 16 available)
Next at the Top click the Advanced tab. Under this Tab select Programs under the 1st 2 sections.
Which brings us to the final section Virtual memory. It will list what has been set for the paging file size on your computer. With 4GB of ram you should have this set to at least 2048MB.
If it is lower click the Change button. This brings up a new popup. Select Custom size:
Then set Initial size(MB): to 2048 (can go as high as the amount of Ram in your system (4096MB)
Next set Maximum size(MB): 4096
Then click the Set Button.
Let the computer do it's thing. And Very Important! Once computer has taken your new values click the APPLY button at the Bottom and then Click the OK button. This Must be done in this order for each popup that is still on the screen until all popup windows are gone. (total of 3 popups)
After you have done this restart you computer.
I strongly recommend you write this all down for future reference.
After this get a better video card too! 256MB of Vid ram is way too low. Although there have been players who have used this low of an amount. But they only play on standard map sizes with only 3-5 AI.
You need at least as a bare minimum 512MB but more realistically 1 GB of Vid ram.
JosEPh
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
Did you try the Video Performance set up?
JosEPh
JosEPh
KMRblue1027
Deity
Have you tried using a very small (20x12) viewport?
Flinx
Prince
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Viewports are a new feature in C2C, which allow you to only display part of a map at a time. This allows you to save LOADS of graphics memory, which is what your issue most likely is. I was able to run C2C for a year on a machine worse than yours, so it's doable.
Have you done the 3GB switch yet? Without that you may be in trouble. See the FAQs thread on how to do that.
C2C doesn't even open. And the 3GB switch failed here, even when reduced to 2.5GB.
The virtual memory is already "high", min 4096 and max 5178.
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
@robfbms,
Are you giving the computer time enough to load the Mod? After you Launch the Mod your computer will go back to Desktop. But Do Not do anything! Wait. On your computer it may take 10 minutes to fully load, maybe more. Don't get impatient please. The 1st time is always the longest.
JosEPh
Are you giving the computer time enough to load the Mod? After you Launch the Mod your computer will go back to Desktop. But Do Not do anything! Wait. On your computer it may take 10 minutes to fully load, maybe more. Don't get impatient please. The 1st time is always the longest.
JosEPh
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