striker4life360
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Inca - 16
Korea - 12
Maya - 12
Poland - 20
Korea - 12
Maya - 12
Poland - 20
Overall Civ Elimination Thread
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Merciorum
Prince
Inca - 17
Korea - 12
Maya - 12
Poland - 17
The Incan free money makes it among the best left. Poland is very tough, but the free SPs don't give you quite as much of a boost as the Incas have; the terrace farms are the icing on the cake (as well as the hill/mountain start bias). Poland looks good on paper, but in practice... plus, it's pretty dull to play as, even with the Winged Hussar.
Korea - 12
Maya - 12
Poland - 17
The Incan free money makes it among the best left. Poland is very tough, but the free SPs don't give you quite as much of a boost as the Incas have; the terrace farms are the icing on the cake (as well as the hill/mountain start bias). Poland looks good on paper, but in practice... plus, it's pretty dull to play as, even with the Winged Hussar.
Inca - 17
Korea - 13
Maya - 12
Poland - 14
I could just keep upvoting the underdog, but what the heck, I can't help but enjoy Korea. One of my favourite games was on a TSL Earth map as them. There, you could REALLY take advantage of their UUs: the Hwacha basically was what took China, and the Turtle Ships... oh god, the Turtle Ships. As Korea, that significant tech lead really pays off at the Turtle Ships. Sure, you can't go explore, but you are by and large the strongest coastal power. In that game I easily wiped out Japan and Siam using almost strictly turtle ships, and then began my march on the rest of the globe. Another nice thing about the Turtle Ship is that it improves the oddball upgrade line of Caravel -> Ironclad by just saying, "Here, don't worry about upgrading to Ironclad. These are strong enough already." And, to be honest, doesn't everyone want an Ironclad at the start of the Renaissance?
Poland and I can never seem to get along, and I think it may just be that they don't have much exciting gameplay - at least as far as I have gotten. It's why I like the Inca so much too - different strategies are fun! But Poland is basically Aztecs with production swapped for growth and a more unexciting UU and UA. Sure, power and all, but fun? Not as much.
Korea - 13
Maya - 12
Poland - 14
I could just keep upvoting the underdog, but what the heck, I can't help but enjoy Korea. One of my favourite games was on a TSL Earth map as them. There, you could REALLY take advantage of their UUs: the Hwacha basically was what took China, and the Turtle Ships... oh god, the Turtle Ships. As Korea, that significant tech lead really pays off at the Turtle Ships. Sure, you can't go explore, but you are by and large the strongest coastal power. In that game I easily wiped out Japan and Siam using almost strictly turtle ships, and then began my march on the rest of the globe. Another nice thing about the Turtle Ship is that it improves the oddball upgrade line of Caravel -> Ironclad by just saying, "Here, don't worry about upgrading to Ironclad. These are strong enough already." And, to be honest, doesn't everyone want an Ironclad at the start of the Renaissance?
Poland and I can never seem to get along, and I think it may just be that they don't have much exciting gameplay - at least as far as I have gotten. It's why I like the Inca so much too - different strategies are fun! But Poland is basically Aztecs with production swapped for growth and a more unexciting UU and UA. Sure, power and all, but fun? Not as much.
kingchris20
Wisdom Seeker
Interesting, people knocked the DLC train but they produced half of the 4 best civs *according to this thread. *ps, I get it why DLC was less attractive before the full expansion packs came, but still....
Anyway
Inca - 17
Korea - 10
Maya - 12
Poland - 15
Out of these remaining civs, Korea is the worst. The civ was designed way too focused on the science victory, which if you're in the mood for Science, they are great....but I haven't found them to be really good at any other VC.
I love Poland. The Ducal Stable is absolutely fantastic when you are near pasture-able tiles, getting the extra gold out of those is very nice, and not only that, granting the +15% base production and 15 XP to mounted units is much more useful than the normal stables, which only give +15% production to mounted units (not the base production).
I love the look and utility of the Winged Hussar, the push back effect has worked well to my advantage in my games.
On top of all that, the extra social policies at each era just boost you to whatever VC you fell like going for. Poland is the poster child for an Any-VC win civ.
Anyway
Inca - 17
Korea - 10
Maya - 12
Poland - 15
Out of these remaining civs, Korea is the worst. The civ was designed way too focused on the science victory, which if you're in the mood for Science, they are great....but I haven't found them to be really good at any other VC.
I love Poland. The Ducal Stable is absolutely fantastic when you are near pasture-able tiles, getting the extra gold out of those is very nice, and not only that, granting the +15% base production and 15 XP to mounted units is much more useful than the normal stables, which only give +15% production to mounted units (not the base production).
I love the look and utility of the Winged Hussar, the push back effect has worked well to my advantage in my games.
On top of all that, the extra social policies at each era just boost you to whatever VC you fell like going for. Poland is the poster child for an Any-VC win civ.
Navelgazer
Emperor
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The Final Four are all worthy. Glad Aztec made it into the Top Five. (Glad Portugal made it into the Top Ten, at least)
Inca - 18
Korea - 7
Maya - 12
Poland - 15
Korea is a science monster, but the turtling UUs are frustrating and the intense focus on a single VC keeps it out of the top three when the others are far more versatile.
I've already said enough about Inca, I think. What I really love about them is that the bonuses affect so many mechanics, but still need to be played well to be exploited to their fullest. Maya and Poland are both awesome, but both of their big props come from their UAs, which are extremely passive (Maya more so than Poland, but still.) Inca wins here.
Inca - 18
Korea - 7
Maya - 12
Poland - 15
Korea is a science monster, but the turtling UUs are frustrating and the intense focus on a single VC keeps it out of the top three when the others are far more versatile.
I've already said enough about Inca, I think. What I really love about them is that the bonuses affect so many mechanics, but still need to be played well to be exploited to their fullest. Maya and Poland are both awesome, but both of their big props come from their UAs, which are extremely passive (Maya more so than Poland, but still.) Inca wins here.
Troll4Hire
Chieftain
Inca - 18
Korea - 7 -3 = 4.
Maya - 12 + 1 = 13.
Poland - 15
The Mayans can be a real pain in the arse for any civ they face. The UB gives a great early religious bonus and some science as well, which is also sweet. The UA is tricky tho', but i only have positive experiences so far. The free GPs might "burn out" my GP counter, but i never had a problem with it, i just tried to avoid tactics / VC-s relying on them, or tried to fill the gap by including the patronage tree into my gameplay, and get GPs from CS allies (even tho' i'm not much of a diplomat it seems to work). Also some people might hate the UU, but the fact that mayans can spam this archer-replacement unit from the start, and they can go for theology right away without spending time on getting the archery tech itself, it also counts as a "scientific" and a military advantage at the same time. Solid civ, one of my favorites among the Aztecs. I'm glad both of them made it to top 5.
Korea always was a scientific monster, but both of the UUs are garbage. By having a caravel replacement which is unable to enter the ocean tiles, Korea possesses a huge disadvantage in exploration - which is incredibly important in BNW. also the Hwach'a being an anti-infantry siege unit replacing Trebuchet basically leaves you without actual siege tools for the complete medieval era. The power of the UA is unquestionable, however it requires some practice to make the most out of it.
I never voted against Korea because i think they also belong in the almighty top 5, but not as absolute #1.
Korea - 7 -3 = 4.
Maya - 12 + 1 = 13.
Poland - 15
The Mayans can be a real pain in the arse for any civ they face. The UB gives a great early religious bonus and some science as well, which is also sweet. The UA is tricky tho', but i only have positive experiences so far. The free GPs might "burn out" my GP counter, but i never had a problem with it, i just tried to avoid tactics / VC-s relying on them, or tried to fill the gap by including the patronage tree into my gameplay, and get GPs from CS allies (even tho' i'm not much of a diplomat it seems to work). Also some people might hate the UU, but the fact that mayans can spam this archer-replacement unit from the start, and they can go for theology right away without spending time on getting the archery tech itself, it also counts as a "scientific" and a military advantage at the same time. Solid civ, one of my favorites among the Aztecs. I'm glad both of them made it to top 5.
Korea always was a scientific monster, but both of the UUs are garbage. By having a caravel replacement which is unable to enter the ocean tiles, Korea possesses a huge disadvantage in exploration - which is incredibly important in BNW. also the Hwach'a being an anti-infantry siege unit replacing Trebuchet basically leaves you without actual siege tools for the complete medieval era. The power of the UA is unquestionable, however it requires some practice to make the most out of it.
I never voted against Korea because i think they also belong in the almighty top 5, but not as absolute #1.
Aren't the Inca also 'extra' DLC?
I know Spain was originally DLC but then added later, but I don't think the Inca were.
Ajay Sabharwal
Chieftain
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Inca - 18
Korea - 1
Maya - 13.
Poland - 16
Korea - 1
Maya - 13.
Poland - 16
direblade99
Warlord
Inca - 18
Korea - 3 +2
Maya - 9 - 4
Poland - 16
Korea have amazing science, and a great UU in the Hwach'a (the turtle ship is pretty sweet too)
Maya is decent, but I feel they can't compete to the others on this list
Korea - 3 +2
Maya - 9 - 4
Poland - 16
Korea have amazing science, and a great UU in the Hwach'a (the turtle ship is pretty sweet too)
Maya is decent, but I feel they can't compete to the others on this list
isau
Deity
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Inca - 18
Korea - 1 +1 = 2
Maya - 13 -3 = 10
Poland - 16
Hard to decide whether to downvote the Inca or the Maya. Maya took the hit because the "free" Great People aren't actually free.
IMO Korea is better than the Inca. I would be very surprised if the Inca win overall.
Korea - 1 +1 = 2
Maya - 13 -3 = 10
Poland - 16
Hard to decide whether to downvote the Inca or the Maya. Maya took the hit because the "free" Great People aren't actually free.
IMO Korea is better than the Inca. I would be very surprised if the Inca win overall.
Inca - 18
Korea - 3
Maya - 4 - Mayan "free" GP aren't actually free, which is downside for this UA, since it makes harder to focus on GS/GWAM, which is usually optimal plan. Pyramid is maybe the best UB in the game, but this thread is about civ as a whole. And with totally garbage UU and UA that doesn't actually give totally free GP, i think Maya is the weakest. Yea, Inca has crappy UU too, but they have better UA.
Poland - 17 - In Poland's case free policies are 100% free, they don't increase policy cost at all. UB is not as great as Mayan pyramid, but you are gonna have at least some pastures around, plus it doesn't have maintenance, so it could be worth building even for one pasture. Winged Hussar is lancer UU yes, but damn it can demolish any Renaissance units with knockback, Shock I and extra movement. It can almost fight toe-to-toe with riflemen and gatlings.
Korea - 3
Maya - 4 - Mayan "free" GP aren't actually free, which is downside for this UA, since it makes harder to focus on GS/GWAM, which is usually optimal plan. Pyramid is maybe the best UB in the game, but this thread is about civ as a whole. And with totally garbage UU and UA that doesn't actually give totally free GP, i think Maya is the weakest. Yea, Inca has crappy UU too, but they have better UA.
Poland - 17 - In Poland's case free policies are 100% free, they don't increase policy cost at all. UB is not as great as Mayan pyramid, but you are gonna have at least some pastures around, plus it doesn't have maintenance, so it could be worth building even for one pasture. Winged Hussar is lancer UU yes, but damn it can demolish any Renaissance units with knockback, Shock I and extra movement. It can almost fight toe-to-toe with riflemen and gatlings.
NoOneImportant
Warlord
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Inca - 15 - UA isn't all that great, UU is probably the worst one in the game and UI is excellent, but not good enough to make Inca the best civ.
Korea - 3
Maya - 4
Poland - 18
Korea - 3
Maya - 4
Poland - 18
ense7en
n7
Inca - 16
Korea - 3
Maya - 1
Poland - 18
Inca.
Crap UU, but amazing otherwise.
Maya.
Crap UU, nice UB, with "free" great people that increase GP cost, meaning they aren't really free.
In short, this means you'll get way less scientists all game...
Korea - 3
Maya - 1
Poland - 18
Inca.
Crap UU, but amazing otherwise.
Maya.
Crap UU, nice UB, with "free" great people that increase GP cost, meaning they aren't really free.
In short, this means you'll get way less scientists all game...
Enrico Swagolo
Deity
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Inca - 13
Korea - 5
Poland - 18
I find Inca greatly overrated. While it may be influenced by my bad luck (never actually started near any REAL mountains as the Inca), Terrace Farm doesn't seem impressive, Slinger sucks, and UA is just much inferior to Korea's and Poland's.
Korea is too good to fall before Inca! +1. It's a great civ. One of the UU's is kinda weird - the Turtle Ship is not the best thing ever (it's tanky and has a lot of strength, but losing the possibility to sail through ocean is harsh) and the H'wacha is just better in many ways than Trebuchet.
Korea - 5
Poland - 18
I find Inca greatly overrated. While it may be influenced by my bad luck (never actually started near any REAL mountains as the Inca), Terrace Farm doesn't seem impressive, Slinger sucks, and UA is just much inferior to Korea's and Poland's.
Korea is too good to fall before Inca! +1. It's a great civ. One of the UU's is kinda weird - the Turtle Ship is not the best thing ever (it's tanky and has a lot of strength, but losing the possibility to sail through ocean is harsh) and the H'wacha is just better in many ways than Trebuchet.
Viregel
, The Rt. Hon.
Inca - 7
Korea - 5
Poland - 20
Corrected scores as well. Incans are terrain-dependant, unlike the others, and Poland is overall awesome.
Korea - 5
Poland - 20
Corrected scores as well. Incans are terrain-dependant, unlike the others, and Poland is overall awesome.
VicRatlhead5199
King
Inca - 4 abilities and uniques are somewhat situational and the other two are good in any situation. The UU is one of the worst in the game and the UI is a tad overrated.
Korea - 5
Poland - 21 Free SoPols and extra hammers from the UB can be anything, even science. Versatility is the key to my vote here. Poland also has the best UU out of the three left, even if it is a crummy lancer, and I like a good UU.
Korea - 5
Poland - 21 Free SoPols and extra hammers from the UB can be anything, even science. Versatility is the key to my vote here. Poland also has the best UU out of the three left, even if it is a crummy lancer, and I like a good UU.
Inca - 5
Korea - 5
Poland - 18
Inca is very powerful and really fun to play.
Downvoted Poland because a UA that gives you stuff you were going to get anyway just a bit quicker is simply boring. Doesn't influence play style at all.
Korea - 5
Poland - 18
Inca is very powerful and really fun to play.
Downvoted Poland because a UA that gives you stuff you were going to get anyway just a bit quicker is simply boring. Doesn't influence play style at all.
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