P666-01 Fix the Trash Game

[pigswill]

I'd have thought all these imperial monarch types would be looking for a 'real challenge'. Seriously though while you can say some games are sub-optimal none deserve a 'trash' epithet.

 

[mice]

Cabert, nice tips about religion/theocracy, thanks. Learning all the time.

I like pigswill's idea of playing another 40, on the other hand I'd like to play from one of the pyramid saves. On the other hand we could lose sight of the variant . ... but whatever option is chosen we have a huge tech lead and there's going to be a big war

 

[Petrucci]

Just me I'd say roll with it as is, stay on schedule however I'm off today and can play the rounds today and submit the save however, it could be another week of playing to get all the games played and submitted! To me the question is if our reports are accurate enough for Cam_H to make a decision, I do hate the fact he is unable to vote, its a blow to not get his knowledgeble vote along with everyone elses. Although looking at it now I guess taking another 4 days to play an extra 20 or 40 rounds will get Cam the chance to vote and look at the games, my vote on this however is to just move along as is.

 

[cabert]

I'd have thought all these imperial monarch types would be looking for a 'real challenge'. Seriously though while you can say some games are sub-optimal none deserve a 'trash' epithet.

you're right about the challenge
and
you're right about the sub-optimal isn't trash thing.
(1125 AD isn't a good deadline. 1000 AD would be easier to read)

What do you think, mice, vudu, petrucci and cam_h? do you continue your game?
I think it's up to those who submitted games.

Mice, if we vote for the trash game, there is no chance there would be a pyramid there

 

[Petrucci]

I say keep going, however as i mentioned more than willing to submit a game today. I'll keep checking on the boards for the vote on this.

 

[mice]

As Petrucci said, having Cam_H's vote/ input is important so if we play on to ,say, 1000 AD. for another week, does that mean Cam you will be able to vote??
sounds good to me.

 

[cabert]

I'm going home now, and since we obviously won't have any news of cam_h before tomorrow, i propose we all play up to 1000AD and submit another game before saturday (so friday evening/night is the deadline).

I won't post my comparison then, so that i don't "lead" anyone into any direction. I'll try to play again (sorry, previously posted turn log won't be relevent, since i just can't do it again in the exact same way) so we have one more possible trash game (making up for the possible lack of cam_h's 1000AD save)

 

[Cam_H]

Hi y'all,

(a.) Happy to go with the group verdict (trash game at 125AD or 1000AD?),

(b.) I'm not sure why my vote is considered so vital, but thanks anyway,

(c.) One of the other participants on this board has kindly offered to e-mail me details on all of the 125AD saves to assist me with making a decision if we opt to vote from the 125AD saves,

(d.) I think that in future rounds we should be stricter with regard to deadlines (such as; Saturday morning in America, Saturday lunchtime in Europe, Saturday evening in Asia),

(e.) If we don't hear from Paul666 or William III in the next few days I think we can look at inviting one or two Noble-Prince players ... oui? non?

you played well, back then in the old times

... Sorry, I just understood that.

 

[mice]

oui? non?

oui oui. Calavente is interested. We could do with another,I agree.

So we play to 125AD nei? (Japanese)

 

[armstrong]

I'm fine with either 125 AD or 1000 AD, too. More players is fine with me.

Do we want to have a vote on conquest vs. domination/back-door diplo? now Or maybe decide at 1000 AD?

 

[pigswill]

I'd go for domination/pseudo-diplomacy because its different from conquest and in some ways more straight-forward.
One of the things I've noticed from people submitting trash games to the forum is that they'll post a save from 1700 or 1800ad and say 'where did I go wrong'. Most of the time it seems those games started going wrong in 1ad but it took a long time for the poor early decisions to bear fruit.
That's why I'm in favour of people continuing their games up to 1000ad (though on current evidence I'm not convinced any submission will be a proper trash game).

 

[Petrucci]

Ok I'm going ahead and posted my 1000 ad save now, may not have much of a chance over the next couple days so here we go, Part 2! If we go ahead and decide to extend trash game till 1000ad then cool, if we are going ahead and voted on the last submissions then i guess this can count towards it!

Spoiler :

War, whats it good for? Heck I'll tell you in three letters its FUN! Unfortunaly I wasn't able to take out more than just Kublai in this short session but Issy is well on her way to down fall, our military superiority is number 1 and no other enemy thus far can even dream of stopping us.

Ok Kublai fell promptly, only he hid like a rat and i can't find where his last city is so I made peace for monarchy and 10 gp, and um he adopted depotism. Then he demands a tech from me?? Lol umm I don't think so!!! Regardless, I razed 2 of his cities we ended up with the Hindu holy city as well. Pigswill's city is the heroic city and pumping out more military than we can use! It's just ugly. Kublai's best protected city had 3 archers a couple axemen in it, that was versus a stack of 7 cats, 2 axemen and 8 elephants, Needless to say he was steam rolled. Isabella isn't in must better shape 3 of her cities have fallen, we ended up with taoist holy city, so that makes 3 holy cities we possess. So far she has some elephants and sent 1 to try to take back her city, ya right that almost worked.

Well as you have read my alliance with Issy didnt work our well, and probably for the best, but now I'm left with Napolean who doesn't like me much either, well, he is next.... that little barbarian city off to the west i mentioned before? I went ahead and just captured it, I figured the extra food wouldn't hurt to bad and wasn't really in the position to make a settler as barbarians are still coming at us regularly. Matter of fact I consider them more of a threat than any of the civilizations right now! They are giving nice promotions though, so I'm not fog busting to our south.

Caravels are being produced right now to head out to uncharted territory, this would be the best time to try to decide what sort of a victory to head for, right now im posed for a conquest victory. I've been choosy on what cities to accept, so the economy is still thriving, at 60% science with some gold still surplus. Our military is just insane and crushing our foes behind our heels. I'm currently reserching theology, this may be weedy that im so far behind on it, but i've been heading for caravels, and even hit up music for the free artist with i used to bomb one of kublai's cities to give a nice offensive position to take out Issy's core cities. Also should mention I haven't chosen a religion yet, maybe after Issy is finished and only have Napoleon to worry about.

I did land the GL, put an academy in our capital, I built the hindu and conf. shrines, bombed kublais city with an artist to bring it out of revolt and give us extra leverage while taking over Issy's city north of there.

I have been bulding cottages as fast as I can, lack of workers is hurting me more than I probably even realize at this point. I know im low on them but trying to keep striking while the enemy is still weak. I have a few coming out slowly, but suprized I haven't won more from Kublai or Isabella, main reason I've been slacking on them! Another word towards units, I'm starting to pump out more macemen they are also amassing large amounts of raider promotions, they will replace elephants here very soon, and then will upgrade those CR macemen to Rifles which is my next main goal. Astronomy with liberalism, then galleons, frigates and CR units taking over the new lands!

 

[cabert]

good one petrucci, you sound very optimistic!

i played up to 600AD, and i don't think your game is worse than mine (though i still have 400 years to go )

edit (victory condition): i still need to get a conquest victory in vanilla cIV (in warlords which i bought in the meantime, it's easy! 2 games = 2 conquests), but i think continents and conquest don't go too well together.
I target domination (so i don't raze much)

I like the format but i fear the roster is full of good players, and there really is no gap of expertise... I vote for one more noble/prince player too!

 

[mice]

So 1000 AD it is by the sounds. Good idea. Also we should get a firm cut off date from Cam_H.

Cam I think someone needs to run the thread so that we arent always asking eachother what's next, and it should be you because you have some restrictions on when you can look at the saves etc, and you kicked it off. If we know exactly what the next step is,we can concentrate on the game

Or cabert, just someone to call the shots.

 

[Petrucci]

Yes I vote for more players! This thread depends on it! Don't be shy out there gang make a post if this sounds interesting to you!

 

[cabert]

So 1000 AD it is by the sounds. Good idea. Also we should get a firm cut off date from Cam_H.

Cam I think someone needs to run the thread so that we arent always asking eachother what's next, and it should be you because you have some restrictions on when you can look at the saves etc, and you kicked it off. If we know exactly what the next step is,we can concentrate on the game

Or cabert, just someone to call the shots.

i concentrate on the game
cam is the OP + he is the most respected here, our master, our leader,

however

I propose a deadline on saturday morning france time = friday night east coast time = saturday evening cam_h time

 

[Calavente]

just lurking,

best thread ever from the time I discovered it... (2 days)

it seems to me that even the "worst" players are not so bad, edifing strategies, long term goals...Etc... I'm impressed and I cannot say I ever went so far in term of serious thinking... (maybe that's why I only won 3 games ... and deleted the others)

but whatever, the Idea is good, even if there is not yet a "very bad game", only less excellent ones.

I think furthermore that the error of the second round was thinking VuDu was the worst as in fact it was the more flexible for being salvaged by the secound round players : you were able to choose the second city...etc : less was done (debatable) but less was already committed. (not sure I'm very clear),

IMO I would have had the trash game of the second round . (EDIT: even while aiming to be the "savior", I won't have been so efficient as other "low players")
I'm learning a lot just by reading... I will now have to try those reasoning/turn log.... on my current game.

 

[cabert]

just lurking,

well everyone here said we need more Noble/prince players.
the save for the current round is mine at 875BC, to be played up to 1000 AD before friday 23:59 east coast time
Why don't you just give it a try?

best thread ever from the time I discovered it... (2 days)

it seems to me that even the "worst" players are not so bad, edifing strategies, long term goals...Etc... I'm impressed and I cannot say I ever went so far in term of serious thinking... (maybe that's why I only won 3 games ... and deleted the others)

but whatever, the Idea is good, even if there is not yet a "very bad game", only less excellent ones.

I think furthermore that the error of the second round was thinking VuDu was the worst as in fact it was the more flexible for being salvaged by the secound round players : you were able to choose the second city...etc : less was done (debatable) but less was already committed. (not sure I'm very clear),

you're quite clear and you're right (i already apologized to VuDu about it). The only real bad thing about vudu's game was the lack of escort.

IMO I would have had the trash game of the second round . (EDIT: even while aiming to be the "savior", I won't have been so efficient as other "low players")
I'm learning a lot just by reading... I will now have to try those reasoning/turn log.... on my current game.

why don't you try to upload the end of round 2 save, give it a try and post a writeup?

I'm pretty sure the need to explain your game is making really moves more difficult
That's IMHO why there are no trash games in this thread

 

[Calavente]

ok I'll try,

maybe I will have time to do those 80 turns of game wednesday + thursday evening (big fiesta for friday evening : no civ)

good luck for your play.

the aims are : (for round 3 +3bis) : get stronger + expand war to the continent and try to take hold of it...

 

[pigswill]

The aim for round 3 is to play it however you like.