P666-04 : Yet Another Trash Game
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Got it. Today's Christmas, but will try and get it in sometime this week since I'm on holidays 
Saturday early-morning 'American time' is our usual deadline.
If everyone happens to post sooner, then we can get on with the discussion and voting aspect. This is how I understand progress;
If everyone happens to post sooner, then we can get on with the discussion and voting aspect. This is how I understand progress;
- Cabert - got it
- Cam_H - played
- Endzz - unavailable until mid-week
- Fbelintani
- Futurehermit - got it
- Mice
- Pigswill - played
- The Chiller - played
- vra379971 - played
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FeedBack
Time for some FeedBack!
Got it too. Maybe I can play today... Stay tuned....
Edit: Yes, I COULD!
and a save...:
Edit: Yes, I COULD!
Spoiler :
and a save...:
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Here is my attempt:
Spoiler :
Got a scout from a hut. Researched fishing-bronze planning on chopping a workboat. However, bronze revealed copper between me and my first target and I had to get it first, so I chopped a settler. Settled in an ok spot. Didn't want to push to far north to cripple econ early. May not build another city, instead just massing axes and going for enemy to north. Next priorities will be to get fishing boats in capital, a second worker, improve some tiles, barracks, library in capital, massing axes for attack.
OK ... thanks all ... I'd say it's "Ding - Ding - Ding" time ... end of round.
Players - please download everyone's saves and let's start voting and/or discussing! If you have more to add about your submission please do so (at your discretion).
If you want to discuss games in this thread during the voting period, please be mindful not to influence voting towards or away from particular submissions, and be respectful to all participants (do I really need to say this?).
Voting
Voting for this round is for the 'least successful' game. How you determine that is up to you, although be sensible about it! In a nutshell; How has this opening helped Korea achieve its conquest victory goal?
Voting is by secret ballot, and is a 3-2-1 system in that;
by late-afternoon on Sunday 'American time' - although earlier the better provided you feel as though you've had sufficient time to adequately assess the games. Pigswill will announce the voting outcome so we can play on to Round 2 where later the most successful submission will be voted on. If votes are not recieved by the 'deadline' they may be disregarded.
You can not vote for your own game in any round, however 'great' or 'ratty' that you think it is.
There is a new rule (as compared to P666-01 and P666-02 a.k.a. "Mice's Rule") that any player can not be selected for consecutive 'trash' rounds. Also, any player can not be selected for consecutive 'strongest' rounds. Therefore the player with the game voted 'least successful' will not be included in the voting for Round 3.
Finally, please note that experience should be a positive one - if you happen to get selected for a 'trash' round understand that this is not a personal thing, but an assessment of how the game's been played relative to others' submissions in the Round. Try to examine why the votes fell the way they did, and look thoroughly at the other games to identify why they were considered stronger, so in future games you can build from this experience. In early rounds luck also can play a large role ('goodie hut' outcomes, barbarian activity, etc).
Players - please download everyone's saves and let's start voting and/or discussing! If you have more to add about your submission please do so (at your discretion).
If you want to discuss games in this thread during the voting period, please be mindful not to influence voting towards or away from particular submissions, and be respectful to all participants (do I really need to say this?).
Voting
Voting for this round is for the 'least successful' game. How you determine that is up to you, although be sensible about it! In a nutshell; How has this opening helped Korea achieve its conquest victory goal?
Voting is by secret ballot, and is a 3-2-1 system in that;
- 3 votes for what you consider to be the least successful game,
- 2 votes for what you consider to be the second least successful game, and
- 1 vote for what you consider to be the third least successful game.
by late-afternoon on Sunday 'American time' - although earlier the better provided you feel as though you've had sufficient time to adequately assess the games. Pigswill will announce the voting outcome so we can play on to Round 2 where later the most successful submission will be voted on. If votes are not recieved by the 'deadline' they may be disregarded.You can not vote for your own game in any round, however 'great' or 'ratty' that you think it is.
There is a new rule (as compared to P666-01 and P666-02 a.k.a. "Mice's Rule") that any player can not be selected for consecutive 'trash' rounds. Also, any player can not be selected for consecutive 'strongest' rounds. Therefore the player with the game voted 'least successful' will not be included in the voting for Round 3.
Finally, please note that experience should be a positive one - if you happen to get selected for a 'trash' round understand that this is not a personal thing, but an assessment of how the game's been played relative to others' submissions in the Round. Try to examine why the votes fell the way they did, and look thoroughly at the other games to identify why they were considered stronger, so in future games you can build from this experience. In early rounds luck also can play a large role ('goodie hut' outcomes, barbarian activity, etc).
pigswill
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Cam_H in his enthusiasm to get the game rolling seems not to have noticed that Vra379971 hasn't actually posted his/her commentary or save.
FeedBack
Time for some FeedBack!
I just PMed vra... Let's see what it takes.
Hey, about the voting... If it's not too much to ask.... Would you guys "elaborate" why does that opening suck on your votes? Maybe our "judge" Pigswill will find a way to turn these commentaries anonymous, if that's the spirit.
Hey, about the voting... If it's not too much to ask.... Would you guys "elaborate" why does that opening suck on your votes? Maybe our "judge" Pigswill will find a way to turn these commentaries anonymous, if that's the spirit.
vra379971,
My apologies for missing you! Try this rather than 'Manage Attachments' perhaps?
Pigswill,
Good spotting.
Cabert,
Good suggestion.
fbelintani,
Good move to PM vra.
On your question, sometimes players have waited for the results to come in before commenting, and then there's a brief round of "How did you do that?", "Why did you do that?", "I can see why you did that but did you think about this?", "I like the way you did that!" and so on. It's not necessarily a bad thing to do this pre-voting however. Occasionally someone might do a quick statistical analysis on the game and set it out as a table - although stats can be very misleading (e.g. a good score does not necessarily mean a good game). Other times a more qualitative assessment was done of the submissions that identified the strengths and weaknesses of each.
I would also say that opinions are often a lot more divergent than you would think. I've collected the votes in some rounds of P666-01 and P666-02, and have often been surprised at how varied others' opinions of the games can be. Just as the submitted games can be quite variable, so can the voting. It is a very 'inexact science', so to make the point again, the player getting the trash game need not necessarily have played a poor game in everyone's eyes; some past rounds in the earlier games have been full of good submissions, and people were compelled to cast their votes with very little to split them.
If you're not getting the feedback you want during the course of this game, certainly don't be afraid to ask. You might find that the answers are self-apparent though when you look at the other attempts.
My apologies for missing you! Try this rather than 'Manage Attachments' perhaps?
Pigswill,
Good spotting.
Cabert,
Good suggestion.
fbelintani,
Good move to PM vra.
On your question, sometimes players have waited for the results to come in before commenting, and then there's a brief round of "How did you do that?", "Why did you do that?", "I can see why you did that but did you think about this?", "I like the way you did that!" and so on. It's not necessarily a bad thing to do this pre-voting however. Occasionally someone might do a quick statistical analysis on the game and set it out as a table - although stats can be very misleading (e.g. a good score does not necessarily mean a good game). Other times a more qualitative assessment was done of the submissions that identified the strengths and weaknesses of each.
I would also say that opinions are often a lot more divergent than you would think. I've collected the votes in some rounds of P666-01 and P666-02, and have often been surprised at how varied others' opinions of the games can be. Just as the submitted games can be quite variable, so can the voting. It is a very 'inexact science', so to make the point again, the player getting the trash game need not necessarily have played a poor game in everyone's eyes; some past rounds in the earlier games have been full of good submissions, and people were compelled to cast their votes with very little to split them.
If you're not getting the feedback you want during the course of this game, certainly don't be afraid to ask. You might find that the answers are self-apparent though when you look at the other attempts.
Oh, good stuff Cam. =)
Here it is.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/25465/P666-04_BC-2400.CivWarlordsSave
Here it is.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/25465/P666-04_BC-2400.CivWarlordsSave
Spoiler :
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