P666-04 : Yet Another Trash Game

[futurehermit]

I would be ok with 40 turns every 2 weeks as long as that would encourage MORE DISCUSSION

EDIT: I'm going to assume we're extending this by another week and will NOT play my round tonight then...

 

[cabert]

I would be ok with 40 turns every 2 weeks as long as that would encourage MORE DISCUSSION

EDIT: I'm going to assume we're extending this by another week and will NOT play my round tonight then...

you'll be late anyway, if you don't start playing
I'm OK with 2 weeks set, but it's not going to encourage more discussions.
We didn't even discuss "the situation" after the previous round.

I suggest :
- trying to finish this round as fast as possible, (before the end of the weekend may be soon enough)
- looking at the various games
- discussing criteria
- voting
- evaluating the situation : the "winner" could give more insight about the strat, but everyone can discuss how they would go on. We don't need an agreement really, but those directions can help everyone to learn a bit more about the game (what matters now? which goal seem achievable? on what specific point is there a little more management to do?)

 

[futurehermit]

Well, I need to know asap because I work Sat so I will need to play the whole thing tonight now if we're not adding an additional week. I take Mon off so was planning on playing my round then...

 

[Cam_H]

Don't be bamboozled by Cabert and his complex and somewhat mezmorising directives !

Games to be submitted by next Saturday morning (being the 10th of February) 'American time'.

It's becoming somewhat hypocritical of me (actually 'very hypocritical'! )to keep encouraging everyone to discuss the game when I seem to be failing to make much of a contribution in this respect myself, but it's probably opportune to remind everyone that the point of this exercise is not 'particularly' to submit the most successful game or side-step the least successful (great if you do - but it's a secondary goal) - the objective is to help each other out with strategic approaches and ideally demonstrate how successful moves can 'pay off'.

Thanks to those on the roster who have brought 'back to the table' some contribution in terms of possible approaches and tactical directions.

 

[cabert]

^^

At least I've played my round.
It's particularly weak (taking risk doesn't always pay)

 

[Cabledawg]

To Cabert or anyone who has posted a save

Spoiler :

Thank god this isnt the trash round. How did you end up with all those unhappy faces? Did Kublai declare on you when you were at war with Qin? The save I left was 1 turn away from Printing Press if you bulbed 1 of the scientist towards it. Why did you choose not to do that? Not criticizing, just wanted to know your strategy.

 

[Öjevind Lång]

Spoiler :

Jesus! I razed Shanghai because I didn't notice Notre Dame was built in it. Though I do think the game should inform you when you have captured a Wonder, the way it does in Civ III.

 

[cabert]

Spoiler :

Thank god this isnt the trash round. How did you end up with all those unhappy faces? Did Kublai declare on you when you were at war with Qin? The save I left was 1 turn away from Printing Press if you bulbed 1 of the scientist towards it. Why did you choose not to do that? Not criticizing, just wanted to know your strategy.

printed press is no good at this point, chemistry gives grenadiers, which are better for conquest.
And the unhappies come from drafting a lot and aren't really a problem : culture slider ftw

 

[Cam_H]

Due to a big weekend next weekend for me I've done my lot for this round;

Spoiler :

Mission accomplished I guess, but as per usual, the odd 94% loss and a swag of 70%-ers. I opted for the Steel > Rifling path (self-researched Gunpowder).

Genghis has declared war and has had some Cavalry pillage around Pyongyang as well as taking out one of Qin's old cities.

I've developed a cosy relationship with Kublai Kahn however ... who's damn idea was it to include two brown tribes on the map both Mongolian? It's so confusing! Unfortunately a fair swag of my troops ended up on the western side of the continent, and home defense while not bad is still not good.

For a financial leader I seem to be floundering a bit in the research stakes - not even close to anything like break-even at 80%. Running Vassalage pretty well throughout I suppose doesn't help with the .

 

[pigswill]

Got there in the end. A long, bloody and ultimately unsuccesful set.

Spoiler :

Units Lost: 6 elephants, 1 axe, 1 pike, 12 maces, 18 hwacha, 5 trebs, 2 cannon, 14 grens, 3 longbow, 2 crossbow. Total of 64 units.

Units Killed: 19 elephants, 2 axe, 3 sword, 8 pike, 13 mace, 21 cats, 14 trebs, 7 muskets, 14 longbows, 2 crossbows, 11 ckn, 10 keshik, 14 knights. Total of 138 units.

3 Great Generals created.

Cities captured: 3

Cities razed: 4

And Qin still lives!

Save: http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/90414/P666-04_AD-1650_pigswill.CivWarlordsSave

 

[FeedBack]

Well, well, well... A little too drunk to civ.. And a little less drunk to joke.. Let's do something to remind you guys about this thread...

As the returning officer for this round, I may say that you guys are gonna have to wait until monday evening, Brazilian time. That's because this sunday is my marriage's aniversary and I'm planning to travel with my wife this saturday. If it's okay, I can still be the returning officer.

Let's do a summary of the players:

cabert: played
cabledawg: played
cam_h: played
Endzz: infected by trojans
fbelintani: 5 turns to go (and with immunity)
futurehermit: NOT PLAYED
mice: in another country
Ojevind: played
pigswill: played
vra379971: NOT PLAYED

So, we are waiting for futurehermit and vra. Guys? Are you there?????

 

[futurehermit]

I'm here. I will play my round tonight or tomorrow night.

I would like to request that for the next round there is a requirement that everyone discusses the chosen save and proposes what they would plan to do next.

 

[futurehermit]

Played and posted to 1650AD. I'm very pleased to report a very successful turnset imo:

Spoiler :

Ok, first off I must say that we have had extraordinarily bad city specialization so far We are financial, where are our cottages? I spent a lot of time (while warring) addressing this problem. I have also been making military production centers.

I took printing press from liberalism, saving the GS for chemistry. Qin declared war in 1470 on us Oh well, his loss...

I bribed Kublai and Genghis to declare on Qin by giving them each liberalism (harmless).

1480AD: Built military academy in Tokyo, planning it to be a military production center.

1530AD: Military academy in Pyongyong, worked to convert it from commerce city to military production center.


After getting chemistry I set research to 0 and traded printing press to everyone for $$$. I upgrade all of our many macemen empire-wide to grenadiers while whipping/building additional grenadiers. Ended up with 40-50 of them.


1560AD: Qin capitulates to us after I took his core cities and Kublai took some marginal ones. I realized after that there was some risk he would capitulate to Kublai, but it worked out for us.

1580AD: Shanghai finally comes out of revolt and I use a saved GS to build an academy there with the goal of it becoming a strong science city.

I prebuild a number of hwachas while researching steel. When steel comes on board I set research to 0 and upgrade over a dozen of them to cannons while building some more cannons. End up with close to 20 of them or so.

1610AD: I declare on Kublai, bribing Genghis with Chemistry (everyone else has it) to join in. Many open-field battles with most of the losses going against Kublai. Finally arrive at Turfan and raze it (1 of 3 core cities). Also raze a marginal city (Kaifeng) that was putting cultural pressure on one of our cities.

1650AD: 3 turns away from razing Kublai's capital. The plan is to raze the capital then Old Sarai and this will have eliminated his 3 core cities. Hopefully he will then be willing to capitulate and we can move on to mopping up this sad continent. I build yet another military academy, this time in Osaka, with the goal of it becoming another strong military production center. Scientific method is due in 2, no one has it yet.

Oh yes, forgot to mention that Asoka was no longer a vassal to Kublai when I declared war on him, so when we go after Asoka it should be easy to vassalize him.

The power graph, which is what I consider to be my strongest contribution to our efforts thusfar:

Save is attached

Cheers,
fh

 

[cabert]

Played and posted to 1650AD. I'm very pleased to report a very successful turnset imo

Sounds good and I agree with the not so well specialized cities. (It's the weakest HE city I ever had )

 

[Cam_H]

vra379971 still has a little time to submit, although I suggest that anyone who's got a bit of time on their hands should start downloading the saves and considering the question "What makes the most successful submission the most successful submission?"!

If and when vra379971 submits a game, votes in the 3-2-1 format are to go to fbelintani.

 

[cabert]

vra379971 still has a little time to submit, although I suggest that anyone who's got a bit of time on their hands should start downloading the saves and considering the question "What makes the most successful submission the most successful submission?"!

If and when vra379971 submits a game, votes in the 3-2-1 format are to go to fbelintani.

My save is already online, but I didn't make a write-up.
I just felt my game was too weak to be selected (even as 3rd choice ) and didn't bother.
Now I think it's a bit easy to do it this way, so here are some facts about my game :

Spoiler :

I bribed Genghis on Mao.
I bribed KK and his vassal Asoka on Qin.
Qin attacked as everyone could see from the stack massing near Osaka.
He lost a few units to protective LBs and then kept the rest of his troops .
Stupid AI!
I killed all his units around using the hwachas (many lost, but really effective : no more threat ).
I drafted an army of macemen and built some more trebs and hwachas.
Qin capitulated easily to me after a few cities razed and some captured.
Then I bribed KK and his vassal Asoka vs Mao (Genghis had made peace).
I massed my troops vs both Mongolia and India (this was a move!).
When I felt ready (3/4 turns after bribing KK vs Mao = time for his troops to move away ), I attacked. I razed most of indian cities and some mongol ones.
This is where the mistake showed : by taking cities from both, Asoka never could break free from KK . So I was trapped on the 2 front war.
I boldly went on, but my luck exhausted when I moved all my mongolia stack to heal on a forested hill. They were all badly wounded and got killed one by one. Including the great medic .
That's why I think my submission is weak : I don't have nough troops left to really hurt anyone.
I can get peace anytime with a nice gift from KK, but it's not going to get us a conquest win .

criteria:
I think those I posted on the previous vote still apply.
I think a game with Qin capitulated or dead is evidently superior to a game with Qin alive.
Then it's about how many other civs capitulated /died or how near death they are.
+ how good are the troops for the remaining task
+ how is the economy doing after all this war
Forbidden palace should be built, globe theater too,
oxford maybe, although it's not a big deal anymore.
Those having built WP in a good military production city are certainly better off than those having built universities all around .

 

[futurehermit]

Qin must be defeated. Power graph is now more important than anything else imo. With gunpowder units we have everything we need to win the game. Globe theatre is something I didn't get around to building, but yes it would be good. I managed to build FP though.

Imo nothing else matters at this point except units and the ability to make more of them.

The only tech we need is rifling so we can draft rifles then go ftw.

 

[Cam_H]

They're Seowons, not Universities!

With gunpowder units we have everything we need to win the game.

Mechanised Infantry are gunpowder units - is this what you mean? Otherwise, I'm buoyed by your confidence!

 

[vra379971]

*hops in*

RL been madly busy. Will post soon.

*hops out*

 

[FeedBack]

Hey guys. I have two news for you:
1- Remember I told that I got busted at work and they blocked my access to CFC? Well, this should be fixed in about 2 weeks. I quit and got another job.
2- I'm having my marriage aniversary this sunday. I'll go on a "weekend semi-honeymoon" and will be back Monday (it's Friday 23:20 right now).

I'll be able to sum the votes Monday night, if you still want me to do this and think it's not too late. Well, I haven't received any btw. So, if you think we better change the returning officer for one day, that would be ok.

See you soon!