Palmyra, Collab Mod

[Uighur_Caesar]

Does that happen with the Calusa? Their UA makes tiles adjacent to river marshes.

 

[ldvhl]

Haven't seen the Calusa in action yet. I just remember how the Global Warming mod works.

 

[NiaoMeow]

Would it work to create a mock-oasis? There are no buildings/beliefs/policies which effect the yields of Oasis so it could work to create an oasis resource/tile improvement.

 

[GPuzzle]

The Bazaar from Arabia gives +2 Gold on Oasis, though.

 

[Uighur_Caesar]

Yeah but that's a line or two to add with SQL. I'll check out if the Oasis dummy is a viable option.

 

[GPuzzle]

Can you actually modify improvements through buildings, though? Not sure if you can do that.

 

[Danmacsch]

If you can get an improvement model to look like an oasis, you can just use plot:SetImprovementType(improvementID). Of course you have to figure out the logic behind choosing which plots to be 'improved', and then fire the function with the CityConstructed game event (or what ever it's called - can't remember). Possibly also a good idea to include a PlayerDoTurn check to 'catch' new tiles at border expansion.

 

[Firebug]

Uuh. What's all this Oasis talk about? i thought we agreed on a UA.

Also, what was the progress on the UI model from ldvh. We found a tower in a Civ IV city set that works.

 

[ldvhl]

Yeah, I'm fine with the original UA we worked out.

I can't convert UI models, so someone else will have to take that up.

 

[Uighur_Caesar]

I brought up the Oasis because we had discussed a potential oasis start a lot time ago on trello. I figured giving deserts a chance to become oases would be a lot easier and it would make those desert starts better.

 

[Klisz]

Can you actually modify improvements through buildings, though? Not sure if you can do that.

If you can get an improvement model to look like an oasis, you can just use plot:SetImprovementType(improvementID). Of course you have to figure out the logic behind choosing which plots to be 'improved', and then fire the function with the CityConstructed game event (or what ever it's called - can't remember). Possibly also a good idea to include a PlayerDoTurn check to 'catch' new tiles at border expansion.

I think GPuzzle was asking if it's possible to alter the yields of improvements through buildings, which would be required to make this fake-oasis dummy work properly if a Palmyrene city is captured by Arabia and a Bazaar is built. There's no Building_ImprovementYieldChanges table, in any case.

 

[Danmacsch]

Ah okay.. Isn't there a Trait_ImprovementYieldChanges table though? Might be misremembering..

 

[Klisz]

Ah okay.. Isn't there a Trait_ImprovementYieldChanges table though? Might be misremembering..

Yes, but that wouldn't help with making Bazaars affect fake oases, since that's a building and not a trait (not even dummy building for a trait).

 

[Danmacsch]

... Ignore me - keep forgetting the design and what is trying to be achieved..[emoji14]

 

[GPuzzle]

Ah okay.. Isn't there a Trait_ImprovementYieldChanges table though? Might be misremembering..

It's used for Belgium in the Scramble for Africa scenario, as well as the Huns and Japan in the main game. It's one of the few things in the XML tags that actually works properly with everything.

There's, of course, the extremely redundant way of checking if the city has a Bazaar, if it does, then it scans for that specific Improvement in all tiles that the city owns, and if it find our theoretical Oasis Improvement in any plots, it just replaces it with a version of it which grants an additional +2 Gold.

Complicated, yeah. Impossible, no. Am I able to code it? Not quite.

 

[Klisz]

It's used for Belgium in the Scramble for Africa scenario, as well as the Huns and Japan in the main game.

Also for Korea. Rather than having a Trait_GreatPersonImprovementYieldChanges, TRAIT_SCHOLARS_JADE_HALL just has a row in regular Trait_ImprovementYieldChanges for every Great Person improvement. (Similar story with Trait_SpecialistYieldChanges.)

 

[GPuzzle]

Oh, yeah, I forgot that entirely.

 

[NiaoMeow]

I like the Oasis idea because it makes Palmyra a little bit more interesting than other trade civs.

 

[Azem.Ocram]

Thank you for working on making this mod a reality! I hope and pray that all eroded, decayed, defaced, or destroyed UNESCO sites could be rebuilt at least as good as they were when they were declared UNESCO sites.

 

[ldvhl]

So what all needs to be done here and is anybody doing it?