Please add the Africans as a Culture Group!

[mitsho]

There were many African civs made by users on this forum for example. You just got to search them

mfG mitsho

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

I think what he is referring to is Africa as a CULTURE GROUP, rather than just how many African civs are available. I also felt it odd that Africa got shortchanged in this regard

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

 

[mitsho]

Oh, then I got to apologize.

but I think there were attemps made into that direction? (although nothing perfect)

mfG mitsho

 

[JanSobieski]

I think that more African civs should have been made, and I disagree that it would be an economic disadvantage for firaxis to include them, at least in North America. I think that Africa was shortchanged and the Zulu being the only African civ makes the entire culture group, if there even was one, lack variety. I'm Sicilian/Welsh/English and I liked playing as the Romans and English because of that. I don't know about Europe or Asia, but I think that the game would appeal to more people than just whites and asians if the game included more African civs.

 

[Ballazic]

I have thought the same thing. bring in the african trade empires. The game would be better with more divercecity

 

[the_corvos]

The best reason for adding civs to Africa, I think, is that on real-world maps, Zululand will no longer control half a continent.

 

[Civ3Newbie]

How about adding the Songhai, Mail, or Ghana Civs?

 

[Evie]

Man, I remember back when Civ III came out, when I was the lone voice preaching in the desert for Songhai, Mali or Ghana :-D.

Philip's Beard - I'd agree with only 2 african civs if there are only sixteen (or nineteen as the case may be), but with the provision that Egypt NOT be considered an African civ, because by all rights they are a mesopotamian/middle-eastern one.

 

[Lockesdonkey]

I'd agree with only 2 african civs if there are only sixteen (or nineteen as the case may be), but with the provision that Egypt NOT be considered an African civ, because by all rights they are a mesopotamian/middle-eastern one.

I agree with you entirely.

In the 14th century, the world's largest empire was that of the Mongols. The second-largest was Mali.

 

[dh_epic]

I'm actually surprised with the number of people saying that "Africa didn't do anything" line. They forget the first rule of history: the winners write it.

Europe (and its descendents) rule the world today. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it's just the truth. It should be no surprise, then, that even Jesus -- a man who was born somewhere between classical Egypt and Syria -- is shown on the cross with long, straight blonde hair and blue eyes in some places. These are the same people who forget the scientific progress in the Near East while Europe was living through its dark ages, or the 1.3 billion people living in the world's longest-standing continuous Civilization.

At any rate, 3 African Civilizations, plus Egypt (4) would probably be a good number. Zulu, Abyssinia, and Mali would round the continent out quite well. This would compare quite well with the Inca/Maya/Aztec trinity of South America.

 

[ledfan]

@lockesdonkey (i just read this thread)

I think Philips Beard was just trying to wind you up - hence the winking smileys. it sure as damn looks like it worked.
Though I understand why you could be annoyed - read the more civs in civ 4 thread and check out the posts saying Europe should be represented by one nation (the Franks). Pure BS.

All culture groups should be reasonably represented in Civ 4. Including the addition of a Mediterrainian (cant spell - shoot me) culture to represent all the massive trading civs who appeared before and at the same time as the Egyptian empire. the Mycenaean, Minoa, etc. (without whom the Hellenic/Greek civilisation would never of achieved its pinnacle)

 

[dh_epic]

Ledfan, I was the one who brought up the "Franks" point. The point is not to get into the trap of writing history from one person's perspective. If we wrote history from the Arab perspective, you might be as tempted to say "European Civilizations are all basically the Franks, and a bunch of barbarians" as much as some people have said "All African Civilizations are basically Zulu, and a bunch of barbarians."

At any rate, we generally agree. It's valuable to represent all cultural groups to some degree, in order to give the game more diversity.

 

[ledfan]

it wasnt your point i was referering to. after you someone, i think it was corvex, said a single civ for all of europe was a good idea. They stated their opinion several times in that thread that europe had too many civs, and it annoyed me. At one point corvex went as far as saying there is no difference between England, France, Germany etc. No japanese person would like someone to say they were the same as the chinese and vice versa, and i'm willing to bet no canadian would say they were the same as americans and vice versa. i apologise if you thought i was having a go at your point, we definately should look at it from everyones perspectives....

 

[dh_epic]

Yeah my bad. I just wanted to clarify. I think we're in agreement -- you shouldn't lump an entire continent or region together, and have half the civilizations from another specific area.