Poll: has civ 4 got better or worse?
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IamJohn
(was)?
Even with Civ4's faults, the series has definitly gotten better with time. 
weregamer
Gandhi of the Mongols
For me, Civ3 was a downturn. I only played it for about 100 hours and found that while they'd fixed a lot of things that I didn't like about Civ2, it just wasn't as fun.
Civ4 has turned the tide, keeping the good things but returning the fun. And Warlords and BtS have just made it better overall. I'm more jazzed about Civ now than I have been since Civ2 first came out.
Civ4 has turned the tide, keeping the good things but returning the fun. And Warlords and BtS have just made it better overall. I'm more jazzed about Civ now than I have been since Civ2 first came out.
Catharsis
catch u on the flip scythe
Civ I -> Civ IV: the series has got better, but
Civ IV -> Civ IV BtS: the game has stayed roughly the same, getting rid of some bad things (notable bugs, overpowered siege units) but also adding some more (espionage).
Civ IV -> Civ IV BtS: the game has stayed roughly the same, getting rid of some bad things (notable bugs, overpowered siege units) but also adding some more (espionage).
King Flevance
Deity
TO me Civ 1 > Civ 4 Gotten better but each version has introduced new mechanics that had issues.
Ball Lightning
www.sporedum.net
Its gone from good to excellent to best game ever!!!!!!!
Diamondeye
So Happy I Could Die
I'm with the majority. infact, we're 92% 
Civ1 was great, Civ2 was a better version of Civ1 
Civ3 wasn't my cup of tea, i consider it the weakest of the series
Civ4 is just about perfect, it has what Civ1 and Civ2 had to make them great and only took the good changes from Civ3, abandoning the rest.
add terraforming and i have the perfect Civ.
Civ3 wasn't my cup of tea, i consider it the weakest of the series
Civ4 is just about perfect, it has what Civ1 and Civ2 had to make them great and only took the good changes from Civ3, abandoning the rest.
add terraforming and i have the perfect Civ.
Ringan
Varangian
Civ 4, for me, is far more replayable than any of its predecessors. There are many more variables to differentiate each game. I say Civ 4 is better because I have spent so much more time playing it.
Note that the poll may be a bit biased since it is posted in the "Civ 4" forum...you can expect to see IV's fanbase here
Note that the poll may be a bit biased since it is posted in the "Civ 4" forum...you can expect to see IV's fanbase here
Civ1 was great, Civ2 was a better version of Civ1
Civ3 wasn't my cup of tea, i consider it the weakest of the series
Civ4 is just about perfect, it has what Civ1 and Civ2 had to make them great and only took the good changes from Civ3, abandoning the rest.
add terraforming and i have the perfect Civ.
I agree with you. The problem is that BTS seems to be a step down. Of course we have to wait for the first patch before the final judgement.
Swedishguy
Deity
I love Civ4 because it has better graphics, more logical maintenance, WAY better layout, less military units (really, in Civ1-3 all you could was basically building military units.), and just a lot more strategy. That's why I love the Civilization franchise, because of the strategy.
CivII sucks.
CivII sucks.
Soneji
Prince and Great Steward
Loved Civ1, CivNet, CivII... never played call to power or ever really liked the look of Civ 3. So I jumped from CivII > CivIV... I think the series has improved.
G Julius Caesar
Warlord
Over time the Civ series I think has got much better. Many more variables now and so more thinking needed.
I am disappointed with BTS though. I cannot play it as it takes sooooo long to load in my last game. Hoping a patch will sort this out.
I am disappointed with BTS though. I cannot play it as it takes sooooo long to load in my last game. Hoping a patch will sort this out.
I don't agree.
Corporations are great, they are what I wanted religions to be, but what Firaxis couldn't do for obvious reasons.
Espionage has also changed for the better, with some minor AI quirks, but those should be fixed in the upcoming patch.
King Flevance
Deity
I agree. I rank civ4 vanilla and warlords both on the same level as Civ 3. (Which I like) But BTS has officially made 4 the better game IMO. Each game has a VERY different flavor than the last one now it seems to me.
I dont agree.
I can live with corporations, I can even live with random events as its optional. My biggest problem with BTS is that the new intelligent AI seems to build up very, very large stacks. In my latest game Justinian attacked one of my cities with 58 units. Its absurd, the game only becomes more tedious with stacks like that. He also brought seven cats to soften up my defence, thats good and indicates a more intelligent AI in the way I would like to see it.
The game before that Shaka attacked one of my cities for about 50 turns and refused a peace agreement. Every second turn he attacked my city with 10 to 15 units. You can imagine how many units he had to build. I ended up with three Warlords, but I dont like this at all.
In Vanilla and Warlords less units could do the same job less units, less tedious, more fun.
I can live with corporations, I can even live with random events as its optional. My biggest problem with BTS is that the new intelligent AI seems to build up very, very large stacks. In my latest game Justinian attacked one of my cities with 58 units. Its absurd, the game only becomes more tedious with stacks like that. He also brought seven cats to soften up my defence, thats good and indicates a more intelligent AI in the way I would like to see it.
The game before that Shaka attacked one of my cities for about 50 turns and refused a peace agreement. Every second turn he attacked my city with 10 to 15 units. You can imagine how many units he had to build. I ended up with three Warlords, but I dont like this at all.
In Vanilla and Warlords less units could do the same job less units, less tedious, more fun.
Jason The King
Deity
I agree, it would be better with less units.
And corporations are a let down. They're too expensive to actually utilize.
And corporations are a let down. They're too expensive to actually utilize.
Diamondeye
So Happy I Could Die
I agree with the two above posters, but I think the biggest drawback is the espionage and the obsession of this that some AIs have! Well, I guess it's just a matter of time before I accept my pretty cities are ruined by spies, poisoning, volcanoes, fires and underground explosions instead of the normal raging horde. - All they do now is pillage what once was my empire >_>
mbaker2311
Chieftain
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My order is:
Civ2
Civ4
AlphaC
Civ
Civ3
I liked how in Civ2 I could play a peaceful game or only respond to attack. In Civ4, you have to warmonger, or your civilization will never grow large enough to generate a decent title (the other thing I live for
) I am more of a peaceful player, build all - or most - of the wonders, assimilate cities 
and generally help out my neighbors. In Civ4, if you don't go stomp on at least one of your neighbors, you will never have enough cities to produce sufficient beakers to fuel you research. By the time the game ends, you'd be stuck with musketmen and talking about that new fangled university thingy they're building over in Paris. 
Civ3 was unplayable, except as a wargame. Put in 30 or 40 hours, never finished a game.
Civ2
Civ4
AlphaC
Civ
Civ3
I liked how in Civ2 I could play a peaceful game or only respond to attack. In Civ4, you have to warmonger, or your civilization will never grow large enough to generate a decent title (the other thing I live for
) I am more of a peaceful player, build all - or most - of the wonders, assimilate cities and generally help out my neighbors. In Civ4, if you don't go stomp on at least one of your neighbors, you will never have enough cities to produce sufficient beakers to fuel you research. By the time the game ends, you'd be stuck with musketmen and talking about that new fangled university thingy they're building over in Paris. Civ3 was unplayable, except as a wargame. Put in 30 or 40 hours, never finished a game.
