Poll: Most Evil and Murderous Leader of All Time

[tonberry]

Hey I'm the first to vote for Hitler!

Switch625 you forgot Hirohito. Considering the ravages of the japanese army I think he worth mentioning.

Edit: and Pinochet as well but since some americans think he is better than some US Presidents...

 

[Switch625]

There are a number of really bad people that didn't get on the list. All I did was take the names nominated for the list in the previous thread. I don't agree that Hirohito should be listed, as his control over Japan was marginal. He had little actual control over what was going on, and I'd bet he didn't really have much of a clue either.

 

[insurgent]

Always strikes me as odd when people write Adolf Hitler with "ph", in the misundertood belief that it's the correct German way of spelling it...

(Not to correct you Switch, it's just that I see it a lot and felt like pointing it out this time... )

 

[SKILORD]

Pol Pot-- whow

he was scum......

 

[fantasy_sports]

I voted for 3 people who are really 1. Napoleon, Hitler, and Hussein

 

[Bifrost]

Excuse me messieurs, but stalin has already asked who is pol pot, so I think it won't be shameful if I ask who was Vlad Tepes?

 

[stalin006]

yeh i was thinking the same............ , i have never heard of hime either

 

[Switch625]

Originally posted by Bifrost
who was Vlad Tepes?

Dracula. :vampire:

AKA "The Impaler"

Vlad Tepes is the historical Transylvanian Count's real name.

 

[stalin006]

oh i tought it was somethign like Vlad Drakule or something......well he was evil in the historic sence, eating the ones he defeated n battle........

 

[Switch625]

"Dracula" was not his last name. It was an honorific given to him because of his father. His father, also named "Vlad," was known as "The Dragon" because of his success in fighting the Turks. "The Dragon" is "Dracul" in Romanian. So, the name "Dracula" meant "Son of the Dragon." Later on, he became known by another name: "The Impaler." He earned that name because of his favorite hobby. Impaling people on long spears as a form of execution. He scared the hell out of the Turks with his sheer brutality.

The name Tepes is the family name.

 

[Bifrost]

Yeah... I also know many interesting facts about Dracula.
When I was 9 years old and every time i went to bed, my aunt was reading me a book "vampire" about Dracula - that was a strange way of making me fall asleep wasn't it?

 

[stalin006]

yeah ath is really weird........didnt u had any nightmares ?

 

[Bifrost]

Surely I have, but they never concern to the to topic of vampires.
Actually my aunt has a special sence of humour. One night she came into my room when I wasn't sleeping. She came wrapped heself up with some bedsheets and with long paper fangs put on - that happened just half an hour after she read another chapter of "Vampire" to me.

 

[SKILORD]

Vlad wasn't a bad guy......

ruthless yes but he did save europe from the turks.

 

[Mephisto]

i heard in a russian history class that there were something like 40 million (or 60 million?) russians died during stalin's era. so there is really no comparison.

 

[stalin006]

mmmh...i really dont think that........20 million at most i think........Bifrost do u know? i think it ws Mao w/ teh 40 to 60 million......not sure

 

[Mephisto]

i heard that 20 mil in ww2, 20 mil in purge, and probably another 20 mil somewhere else. (maybe civil war or something?) but mao is probably close though. still mao did not foresee the consequence of what he did whereas stalin knew exactly how costly it would be to purge or to fight a war the way he fought it.

i heard a story that in ww2, the way stalin would clean a mine field is to send bunch of solders walking through it.

 

[God]

You didn't include Timur/Timurlenk/Tamerlane. He was as bad if not worse than Genhis Khan. Did almost exactly the same to the large cities in Asia as Genghis, except Samarkand was spared.

The murderous leader in numbers killed would probably Stalin. Not sure though. Since the 20th century leaders have killed far more people than others, I voted Genghis Khan. Trying to be different. Timur was equally bad. Their methods of killing were horrible.

Really Timur was worse than Genghis, because the Mongol was a barbarian, while Timur was educated and had appreciation for the arts and other things, yet he still murdered thousands. Sealed them in towers, build pyramids of skulls. When Ishfahan, a Persian city rebelled against him he ordered his soldiers to go into the city and return with 1 head. When he promised no blood shed, he found another way to kill his enemies, trampling them with horses, cementing them, etc.

What did Napoleon do? He had his secret police and all, but I don't think he killed people in the masses.

BTW, who is Vlad Tepes?

 

[Switch625]

Read the whole thread. All your questions have been answered already.

 

[onejayhawk]

Vlad Tsepis, names in Romanian do not render well into an English concept of spelling, was a ruler in the Balkans during the period of the Ottoman Turks. He is primarily remembered for his two nicknames, Impaler and Dracula. Impaler is self explanatory. He was vain and capricious. There is a story of him impaling a man and his horse/donkey/burro on gold hooks. He terrorized the nobility of his day, since no one was safe in his presence, but was well received by his populous, since he enforced order. Indeed another story tells of a traveler with a large amount of gold. The traveler inquired where he could leave the money safely. Lord Tsepis told him to leave it on a street corner. It was there in the morning.

His other nickname is Dracula, or son of Dracul, which means dragon. Whether this means that he was considered dragonlike or that his father was called Dracul, or Draco, I am unsure. This was popularized in a book by Bram Stoker about 100 years ago. In the book Lord Tsepis is a vampire and the Lord of vampires. Recently a "realism movement" has popularized his proper name. In many ways he was midevel lord like any other. It might be noted that when he fought the Turks he used the scorched earth approach employed during WW II by the retreating Soviet Army. It was also successful

J

PS I am doing this without references from memory. Appologies if the details are off.