[Poll] (no Discussion please) Civ5 enforces Steam - Will you buy it?

[Greybriar]

I own Valve. I am a multimillionaire. All your Civ5ves are belong to me.

At least you admit it.

 

[Tasunke]

I own Valve. I am a multimillionaire. All your Civ5ves are belong to me.

Yay. This is incredibly amusing and a source of joy.

 

[Toni1]

Heck, I'd buy steamless version from GamersGate/retail even without whole multiplayer component!

 

[Tasunke]

Yea ... honestly, what they should have done is require the Online DRM/ Steam for multiplayer ... and just had a simple CD-Key for single player retail.

As in, Steam digital version has the Online DRM and Single/Multiplayer, steamworks, ect

Retail version would have an additional CD-key, but only the CD-key would be required to install and play the single-player version of the game. If you wanted multiplayer, you could log onto steam and "upgrade game account" with online DRM and Steamworks in order to access patches and Multiplayer modes.

Once you have a working multiplayer (through the one-time activation thru Steam), you only need to run Steam in the background when accessing the internet (multiplayer) and you can multiplay both on Steam servers AND on independent servers (like hamachi).

THIS, imho, is how they should have done it. In this way, it doesn't alienate single player gamers or modders as much as the current system, and you still need to undergo their Anti-Pirating measures for the ability to play multiplayer.

This multi-tier approach would have been much more User-Accessible.

 

[PieceOfMind]

So Chalks works for Valve? Since he hasn't categorically denied it, I'm supposing there must be some truth in it. Of course, I'm happy to trust Chalks on his confirmation of whether or not it's true.

 

[BigBirdZ28]

I thought games companies were trying to reach out to people that haven't played their games before. Seems more like they are trying to alienate many players in return for ring fencing people like Chalks.

If the game is gonna have DLC/DRM, it better cost $5, not $50.

 

[BigBirdZ28]

At least you admit it.

He sounds more like an unwitting(gullible) enabler.

 

[timtofly]

So Chalks works for Valve? Since he hasn't categorically denied it, I'm supposing there must be some truth in it. Of course, I'm happy to trust Chalks on his confirmation of whether or not it's true.

He does not work for Valve. Valve "works" for him.

 

[Tasunke]

In Soviet Russia, Valve pays YOU!!!!

But yea, Steam works for a lot of people ... its their exclusivity (which, by the way, steam and steamworks could have been set up to be non-exclusive) which can be annoying

For instance, they could have still had the Online DRM, and everyone Still using the Steam program/Steamworks for achievements/friends/ect ... and they could have made it where this did NOT include a constant connection to Valve, data for Valve, valve's activities, and Valve's direct jurisdiction. Instead, complete control of how a game uses Steam's functions could have been given to a game's developer. (or publisher)

Instead, Steam is a constant integration of Valve's business operations, and Valve always has the final say on games hosted using steam/ integrated with steam.

Its just an example of a Business/Distribution model that I do not agree with, even though the program is admittedly well made.

 

[Chalks]

He does not work for Valve. Valve "works" for him.

Yep, I invented Steam. I am a bazillionaire

 

[Shurdus]

No steam, it makes my computer run slow and if they put it on enforced steam, I won't buy. Simply enough.

steam requires a modest (~40MB) of HDD space, and a tiny bit of RAM. If steam makes your computer slow then a reinstall of your OS may be in order since that is a problem that does not inherently comes with steam. I suggest looking at your firewall settings, network drivers and maybe even the router settings. Updating these may indeed do wonders for your gaming experience.

 

[azzaman333]

Where's the yes, I love steam option?

 

[The_Coyote]

Where's the yes, I love steam option?

This is the first choice, there is no steam option so far, the game will be shipped with and use steamworks. So this would be your choice, you´re fine with the known situation

 

[CarnivalBizarre]

Clearly 15 year old kids knows not about the days when a game just needed a simple cd to install, rarly even a patch and not privacy rights violation to work.

Consoletards are surly making a big move to PC these days

 

[Sterf]

Clearly 15 year old kids knows not about the days when a game just needed a simple cd to install, rarly even a patch and not privacy rights violation to work.

Consoletards are surly making a big move to PC these days

Don't act so high and mighty. In my days I needed a bazillion floppy disks to install games, then came CD's which were easier to install, and now there's steam which is even easier to install. And again, there are no privacy violations, unless you count steam knowing which games you own as a violation of your privacy. I'm sure there are a few on these boards who think that, but I can't see why they would even have an internet connection if they're so paranoid.

You can't be that "old and experienced" if you're still calling people who you disagree with names, either. Pretty damn childish.

 

[mattcrwi]

CD key DRM is not an option. I think most people are fighting the online register DRM schemes. I agree they suck but no company is ever going back to CD key only DRM. It's just not happening. Your other options are all online registration and if I have to register online, for me it might as well be Steam because its one of the least intrusive DRMs.

 

[tom2050]

You can't be that "old and experienced" if you're still calling people who you disagree with names, either. Pretty damn childish.

Very well said, that is what I keep saying about the US Democratic.. <cough>, I mean Progressive Party. They do the same thing.

Originally Posted by veBear
No steam, it makes my computer run slow and if they put it on enforced steam, I won't buy. Simply enough.

It's probably just the Steamworks activated Keystroke logging mechanism, to track everything you do. Nothing to worry about.

 

[Hail]

Don't act so high and mighty. In my days I needed a bazillion floppy disks to install games, then came CD's which were easier to install, and now there's steam which is even easier to install. And again, there are no privacy violations, unless you count steam knowing which games you own as a violation of your privacy. I'm sure there are a few on these boards who think that, but I can't see why they would even have an internet connection if they're so paranoid.

You can't be that "old and experienced" if you're still calling people who you disagree with names, either. Pretty damn childish.

you forgot about fat floppies (100mb zip drive things) and about 5.25" floppies (btw my dad still has one drive at work). and you possibly could not have mentioned the good old days when people loaded games of tape players

P.S. btw vodka was sweeter back then too!
P.S.S. not calling people names but labeling individuals

It's probably just the Steamworks activated Keystroke logging mechanism, to track everything you do. Nothing to worry about.

about civ5 i must say that i am reluctant to buy it without feeling it, as it will significantly differ from all previous civs.

P.S. looking forward to the demo though, although i have a feeling it's all marketing bullsh*t

 

[Sterf]

you forgot about fat floppies (100mb zip drive things) and about 5.25" floppies (btw my dad still has one drive at work). and you possibly could not have mentioned the good old days when people loaded games of tape players

P.S. btw vodka was sweeter back then too!

Yeah, still got lots of those zip disks lying around. Even got a functional Tandy II Color Computer lying around with tapes. Oh, and one of those Atari 2600's with the wood-grained case, "consoletard" that I was.

I didn't drink vodka for the taste at the time though, hehe.

 

[Birdjaguar]

It's probably just the Steamworks activated Keystroke logging mechanism, to track everything you do. Nothing to worry about.

Moderator Action: Do you have any evidence of keylogging by steam or are you just looking for a fight?