posters leaving....

[Sanscizo]

Originally posted by anarres
Erm, what is this little bit of pschycology based on? Have you read a few thousand posts from these people being discussed? If not I'd hazard a guess that you are making it up as you go along...

And how come someone with 14 posts has 12 of them in site feedback?

Oh, I see, you're classing me because I appear to be a newbie. Just the very thing that AoA said that it was site policy not to do. And have you not considered that although I only have 15 posts to my name I may be a poster who has been here a long while back again? Or that I have been browsing these forums for a long time without actually registering? You appear to be one of the ignorant people who judge people by their post-count. I suppose you think newbies are not entitled to an opinion.

And why shouldn't I have 12 (now 13) posts in site feedback? Maybe I am satisfied by just reading other forums and enjoying what other people have to say. Anyway how do you know that? Have you been counting my posts up?

I was posting an opinion but you responded by critising me for being new. Not very nice.

 

[Padma]

Originally posted by Ville

It shows to me that Shaitan has only 5813 posts:

He has 5813 posts that count toward official post count.

He has almost 3500 alone in the Civ3 Demogame RPG forum, which do *not* count toward official postcount. (He has been a driving force in the demogame - those 3500 posts are decidedly *not* spam!)

Click on "Search for all posts by this user" and you will see the true number of posts he has.

 

[anarres]

Originally posted by Sanscizo
Oh, I see, you're classing me because I appear to be a newbie. Just the very thing that AoA said that it was site policy not to do. And have you not considered that although I only have 15 posts to my name I may be a poster who has been here a long while back again? Or that I have been browsing these forums for a long time without actually registering? You appear to be one of the ignorant people who judge people by their post-count. I suppose you think newbies are not entitled to an opinion.

And why shouldn't I have 12 (now 13) posts in site feedback? Maybe I am satisfied by just reading other forums and enjoying what other people have to say. Anyway how do you know that? Have you been counting my posts up?

*sigh* Yet another sad misunderstanding.

If you were a poster here some time ago you should be using your old account, so I naturally assumed you weren't returning from a leave of absence.

You can have whatever opinion you want. However, you made some comments about two posters, one of whom I know reasonably well, the other less well (but I am still familiar with them, their opinion on many subjects, and their general postiug style). Your comments were plain wrong. These people were not 'bored' of the forums as you suggested, but have left because of the general atmosphere in certain fora.

It was only because you said such untrue things that I felt I should point out that you were wrong. The statement about 12 posts in site feedback out of 14 was not an inditement, but rather a statement of fact. It is unusual for people to come to Site Feedback without being part of the other fora, it is worthy of note.

Regarding postcount, I have stated on multiple occasions that postcount should be ditched. At a forum where I have power we are in the process of removing postcounts (and I am the top poster).

Regarding newbies, you will find (if you come to the Civ3 fora) that I try to help where I can, and that I try to be constructive.

I was posting an opinion but you responded by critising me for being new. Not very nice.

Well, I didn't. I criticised you for being an armchair psychologist. I stand by what I said since you passed judgement on two people that you obviously don't know very well.

As for being new, welcome to CFC. I only hope you understand I was disagreeing with what you said, not who you are, or your postcount, or anything else. I hope you do visit the Civ3 for more, we are welcoming to people, and we try to help if people have questions.

 

[Cartouche Bee]

Originally posted by Sanscizo


I was posting an opinion but you responded by critising me for being new. Not very nice.

Posting your opinion about issues that preceed your involment is pretty much SPAM to me. To discount a poster as being bored cause * they posted too damn much * shows a complete lack of class, from a member with less than a week under their belt. If you supported that statement with some sort of valid evaluation of the contribution of the posters, then an opinion is warranted, otherwise it's basically member bashing, and that is not allowed.

 

[Immortal]

I am a spamer, a troll, and flamer at sites where it is permitted.

You got that right, C. in fact, we all are, at different places.

earlier poster: enough with the elitist bull crap, you could have 1 post or 1000 posts, it makes no difference to the level of respect people should recieve. People like YOU are the ones who damage this board. I respect posters based on how they act in this forum, obviously, you base your respect on a join date and a post count.

Sanscizo welcome to the board, and dont withold your opinion just because you are new.

 

[Sanscizo]

Originally posted by Cartouche Bee


Posting your opinion about issues that preceed your involment is pretty much SPAM to me. To discount a poster as being bored cause * they posted too damn much * shows a complete lack of class, from a member with less than a week under their belt. If you supported that statement with some sort of valid evaluation of the contribution of the posters, then an opinion is warranted, otherwise it's basically member bashing, and that is not allowed.

Erm, firstly please don't mis-quote me. I did not say anything about either of the mentioned posters posting too much. I think that perhaps you should read my post a little more carefully.

I think my use of the word 'bored' was probably slightly wrong. I don't think they are actually bored of posting here so to speak, but just have decided to try out something new. I'll admit I was wrong in saying that they were bored. More likely, I think, is that the general atmosphere around here has changed, and they probably don't like it, but I'm hazarding an educated guess that if this atmosphere change had happened when they were still fairly new to CTC then they may have stuck with it. After a while people do move on to different things, try out new things, experience different things etc. A slight change in the way this place is being run may have just been enough to make them leave for a while. They may come back, they may not. Personally I am saying that changing the way this place is run just because two posters, however good they were, have left is at least a slight over-reaction. Things have to change.

And as for accusing me of member bashing, that is waaay off. I was not bashing anybody, I didn't intend to bash anybody, and I will not bash anybody. Maybe if you read a little deeper into my previous post then you will change your opinion on whether I was member bashing. I was posting an opinion that you obviously disagree with, but in no way was I bashing anybody. Okay, please realise that I'm not like that.

 

[Cartouche Bee]

I got the impression that you had been offended by someone thinking you were a newbie and then you going on ahead and forming an opinion based on stereo typing frequent posters in certain ways seemed a little one sided bashing to me. (I didn't quote you bye the way.) *Opinions Differ* - 'Roadhouse' for those old enough to have seen it.

 

[Sanscizo]

Originally posted by Cartouche Bee
I got the impression that you had been offended by someone thinking you were a newbie and then you going on ahead and forming an opinion based on stereo typing frequent posters in certain ways seemed a little one sided bashing to me. (I didn't quote you bye the way.) *Opinions Differ* - 'Roadhouse' for those old enough to have seen it.

I don't want to be pedantic but you did quote me by claiming that I said "they posted too damn much" when I only said they posted 'so damn much' which wasn't intend as an attempt to bash them in any way.

Anyway I think we can put it down as a mis-understanding between us and hopefully forget about it. And thanks for the warm welcome Immortal.

 

[ainwood]

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
In case it escaped the notice of some, I myself have ceased posting for the most part, becuase I don't care the garbage that was brought to CFC, and my areas in particular, in the last few months. I for the most part only do my job, and rarely take part in somthing I once loved, so don't try telling me what needs to be changed, as far as I'm concerned, quite a few killed something that once was very cool.

Exactly.

I guess people can read from this that if AoA wasn't the mod, he'd be gone too.




A foot note: Lt Killer didn't actually used to post in OT much at all - he accrued most of his posts in Civ II demo. Curt is an OT old-timer.

However, there are a lot of other OT regulars who have hardly been to the place this year. And if you ask them, I would wager that its got more to do with what's being posted there than with how the moderating is done.

 

[joespaniel]

Originally posted by ainwood
However, there are a lot of other OT regulars who have hardly been to the place this year. And if you ask them, I would wager that its got more to do with what's being posted there than with how the moderating is done.

BINGO!

You can add me to the list. I only posted here the last few days to rub it some people's faces.

Have fun.

 

[Immortal]

I agree, now that the gang is reunited, and it feels so good, Ill be taking an unspecified amount of time off from here

 

[Toasty]

I don't understand how it can not be consideration that moderation played a part in these people's leavings. It is a pattern that I, and I am sure many have noticed, that a disproportionately large part of those who advocate support for the moderation in such situations also advocate an amount of right-wing support in OT.

The simple fact that there is a correlation between the two should be of some significance.

By and large I think AoA and Lefty do a good job, even when I've been banned on past occasions. However, I think that they, like all persons, are human. For example, while I find all unreasonably far right- or left-wing persons inflammatory, the right-winged persons always seem far more offensive.

Because the moderators themselves are people in a free society, and have personal beliefs on such issues, this is expressed (however unintentionally) through their job of discerning what is a "flame," "troll," or whatever.

Does this warrant a change of the moderation? The only idea I have is to include a more left-leaning moderator, however AoA and Lefty have already said they do not desire more OT moderators.

As such, I'm content with the system the way it is, however to say that the system is without problems is something I disagree with.

 

[ainwood]

Originally posted by Toasty
I don't understand how it can not be consideration that moderation played a part in these people's leavings. It is a pattern that I, and I am sure many have noticed, that a disproportionately large part of those who advocate support for the moderation in such situations also advocate an amount of right-wing support in OT.

I, as a person who has largely left OT, provided my view. OT simply isn't fun anymore, due to how and what people are posting in there. Joe confirmed my view.

I think the moderation is fine. If there is any problem with Lefty and AoA, it is that they have been being too tolerant.

The other thing that they have had to put up with lately is people complaining about their moderating style. A few months ago, there was the odd complaint here and there, but it was handled fairly well with little in the way of hard-feelings.

Then it degenerated with a lot of complaints from people new to AoA and Lefty's respective styles, and TF banned the complaint threads (quite rightly).

Don't let this thread be the new generation of complaint-by-proxy.

God forbid if I have to avoid Site Feedback as well.

 

[eyrei]

To be honest, I don't quite understand what the big problem is. People stop posting on forums for various reasons, and just because those who enjoy spreading discontent where they can't be 'called to the stand', so to speak, claim it was the fault of the moderation, doesn't mean that the entire forum is sliding downhill.

Poor posters will be found on every forum and on every topic. Because CFC has grown considerably in the last year or so, we have had an influx of posters...a certain percentage of these posters add little or nothing to the dialogue, and then whine perpetually about being oppressed. We need to simply learn to live with it. Moderation will not be perfect. We are human, and do occasionally make errors. If you truly want to fix whatever problems you see at CFC, by all means go and start a worthwhile dialogue about something.

 

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

eyrei, your post calls for a few comments and a question from me:

Do you *really* believe I was 'spreading disconetent' when I wanted to opently state my opinion on the way Bush's election was 'staged' and give links to proove, or about my opinion on the UN charta and Bush's breaking it?

Discontent????????

Basically, I was usually telling the Schroeder-bashers and Germany-bashers why our government and our people are against the US course. For that, I get flamed, trolled, spammed. That's what sucks!

My personal feud with AoA over his mod style has been resolved; I will not spread my personal view on that here, just this: I am glad he is still moderating, and I would apprciuate if he would still post, too. On the other hadn, a few things have changed in the way he mods (I think), and these I welcome.

As for Lefty: no critizism of him at all!

As for TF: he might have done some things I think, but I really wouldn't know which. I wouldn't KNOW! And since the climate is bad and the mods don't do anything I am gone. No blame to them though; if they'd done something wrong it would be worse.

ainwood: most of my post stem from giving newbies answers to their Qs and showing them the newbie Qs thread and the FAQ thread.

 

[Rodgers]

Bah! Zultan's game has drawn me back despite my pronouncements

 

[CurtSibling]

My goodness, such moral strife!

I only left because of the incredible boredom of this damn war and all the samey threads.

New posters are a good thing, and keeps the foras nice and smelling LEMON FRESH!

In my view, the Mods do a fine job, and I for one have never had any negative issue with lefty and AoA.

Both are professionals and have been fair in dealing with posters in this extraordinary and difficult time.

I say I am leaving, but, hey!
After the Iraqi war, there is a chance that the Ace may return, guns ablaze!

I have my post count to think of...
Right now, I am enjoying my pilgrimage to other fourms!

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
As for Curt, I like the guy, but Lefty was dead right to act vs him, he ceased posting and had taken to being a wise guy.

Alcibiaties,
I have always enjoyed the CFC world, despite my slips into bad form now and then.
One thing all should know about me, I am seldom really serious online, and have no enemies among any other posters.

When taking site rules into account...
I will say this: I have not had a ban that I didn't deserve in my view.
When tempers flare, sometimes we all slip and say something uncouth...

I am no different. "I do the crime, I do the time..." That's the way things are.

I take my bans like a man, and recognise my action was unacceptable.

But that is not the reason I am elsewhere...Sometimes a man has to change the scenery.
I want to explore new worlds, and confound new people with my cheeky Brit wit!

But for the record, I deem that Alcibiaties and Lefty have done and continue to do a damn good job, and with no pay!

If it was not for Thunderfall and vets like the CFC mods, and all the other CIV sites,
the awareness of CIV gaming and the community would fade, and a sadder place the net would be.

I suggest we just try and co-exsit more...

 

[Drewcifer]

I come to site feedback and the three other posters in the room with me are Killer, Curt and Rogers!!!

I will return with my grain of salt.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by Lt. 'Killer' M.
eyrei, your post calls for a few comments and a question from me:

Do you *really* believe I was 'spreading disconetent' when I wanted to opently state my opinion on the way Bush's election was 'staged' and give links to proove, or about my opinion on the UN charta and Bush's breaking it?

Discontent????????

Basically, I was usually telling the Schroeder-bashers and Germany-bashers why our government and our people are against the US course. For that, I get flamed, trolled, spammed. That's what sucks!

My personal feud with AoA over his mod style has been resolved; I will not spread my personal view on that here, just this: I am glad he is still moderating, and I would apprciuate if he would still post, too. On the other hadn, a few things have changed in the way he mods (I think), and these I welcome.

Sorry, I wasn't referring to you at all. Just a general comment on this thread, and others like it.