Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
This is really good stuff, but are there no BUTTONS for these early ships?
Predreadnought/Cruiser/battleship
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GeneralMatt
Emperor
There are a couple taken from the Civelopedia for my mod if you want me to upload them..
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
Please do.... I would really love buttons for your Armored Cruiser and Steam Battleship (errr... whatever you call these things!)
Great work... would love buttons for them!
GeneralMatt
Emperor
Got your PM. I will get the for you right now.
FYI, I actually think these are kind of bad and was planning on redoing them when I could, so if I get around to it you might see a new version.
Edit: Here you go.
FYI, I actually think these are kind of bad and was planning on redoing them when I could, so if I get around to it you might see a new version.
Edit: Here you go.
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
Thanks for the Buttons... not the greatest but better then reusing an existing one, so I'm happy.
Thanks again for the naval units!
Does your Canopus pre-dreadnought have turrets yet? I thought I recalled you mentioning you haven't put turrets on the thing yet?!?!
Thanks again for the naval units!
Does your Canopus pre-dreadnought have turrets yet? I thought I recalled you mentioning you haven't put turrets on the thing yet?!?!
GeneralMatt
Emperor
Yeah it does, they do not sit perfectly, but they are on. It was just in the render they did not have them.
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
How about a BUTTON for that Canopus?
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
Hehe... nevermind GeneralMatt... I finally figured out how to make my own buttons! I finally found DDS converter 2.
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
If I know better, I would say that this ship would be sutable as an ocean going Ironclad. Since this ship reminds me of the HMS Agincourt.
GeneralMatt
Emperor
That is what it was.. That is nice Ship, the Agincourt, when I get to redoing this one that will be the one I model from.
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
Here's a better picture of the type... Agincourt's sister ship, the HMS Minotaur.
Here's a differant angle of the HMS Northumberland...
Personally, I think something like the HMS Hercules would be a better ship as the Ironclad Battleship
She was the first warship to carry the new 10-inch muzzle-loading rifle, which were ranged four on either side in a box battery. The foremost and aftermost guns could be traversed to fire to within a few degrees of the line of the keel through recessed embrasures in the battery walls. These guns, each of which weighed 18 tons, fired a shell weighing 400 pounds with a muzzle velocity of 1,380 ft/s. A well-trained crew could fire one shot every 70 seconds.
A 9-inch gun was placed on the mid-line on the main at stem and stern to provide end-on fire, and the 7-inch guns were mounted either side fore and aft on the upper deck, with firing embrasures cut to allow either end-on or broadside fire.
Here's a differant angle of the HMS Northumberland...
Personally, I think something like the HMS Hercules would be a better ship as the Ironclad Battleship
She was the first warship to carry the new 10-inch muzzle-loading rifle, which were ranged four on either side in a box battery. The foremost and aftermost guns could be traversed to fire to within a few degrees of the line of the keel through recessed embrasures in the battery walls. These guns, each of which weighed 18 tons, fired a shell weighing 400 pounds with a muzzle velocity of 1,380 ft/s. A well-trained crew could fire one shot every 70 seconds.
A 9-inch gun was placed on the mid-line on the main at stem and stern to provide end-on fire, and the 7-inch guns were mounted either side fore and aft on the upper deck, with firing embrasures cut to allow either end-on or broadside fire.
GeneralMatt
Emperor
Cool! Those are definitely what I will be doing!
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
Here's more ironclads...
Austrian Ironclad
CSS Stonewall
Actual naval battles during the ironclad era are pretty rare... the most notable would have been between Italy and Austria in the Battle of Lissa (1866).
Austrian Ironclad
CSS Stonewall
Actual naval battles during the ironclad era are pretty rare... the most notable would have been between Italy and Austria in the Battle of Lissa (1866).
GeneralMatt
Emperor
Yes, that plus the Monitor and Merrimac duel, for well known.
Thanks for the pics!
Thanks for the pics!
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
I was speaking of ocean-going ironclad FLEET duels... not two ironclad gunboats in a river.
The Battle of Lissa is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that involved two ironclad fleets in a duel on the high seas.
Oh... and they always get that name wrong... "Monitor and Merrimac"... it's actually "USS Monitor and CSS Virginia" duel!
Fanatic Demon
Student in Wizardry
WE definetly need more of these to fill the gaps. Keep up the good work 
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
Well, I already incorporated Matts earlier ironclad and pre-dreadnought ships into this mod here for BtS.WE definetly need more of these to fill the gaps. Keep up the good work
GeneralMatt
Emperor
Yeah, I don't know a ton about the whole business of gunboats, but popular perceptions sees those two as Ironclads, though they were sort of.
I think the reason that this era may have been ignored was because there was very few actual wars between major powers (Pax Britannica's I think) so there is not a lot of focus on the time.
Which is really too bad...
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
It's really a matter of size and function... the Monitor and Virginia (ex-Merrimac) were both "ironclads"... the simplest meaning of the word being that these were vessels that were "clad in iron".
Of course, you can "ironclad" just about any ship you want. In the case of the Civil War, 99.9% of all ironclads were little more then river gunboats... smallish vessels with little to no sea-keeping qualities... though the CSS Stonewall was a true ocean-going ironclad, it never saw action in the Civil War (but did see action when sold to Japan).
For the sake of European powers and Civ4, obviously folks are going to "ironclad" ships bigger then a gunboat... like ironclading bigger ocean-going vessels... this is the timeframe when terms like "Cruisers" and "Battleships" started to come about. Due to limited coal capacity and burning efficiency, most Ironclads of the mid to late 1800s still carried masts to harness the wind when burning coal 24/7 wasn't cost or fuel efficient.
It always irked me that Civilization assumed the only Ironclads were US Civil War era river-gunboats and that nobody ever bothered to ironclad an ocean going vessel, which (like the missing Hitler in Civ4) simply isn't true to history.
Thanks to Matt's work, we have more ship models to represent this forgotten yet still important part of maritime history.
Of course, you can "ironclad" just about any ship you want. In the case of the Civil War, 99.9% of all ironclads were little more then river gunboats... smallish vessels with little to no sea-keeping qualities... though the CSS Stonewall was a true ocean-going ironclad, it never saw action in the Civil War (but did see action when sold to Japan).
For the sake of European powers and Civ4, obviously folks are going to "ironclad" ships bigger then a gunboat... like ironclading bigger ocean-going vessels... this is the timeframe when terms like "Cruisers" and "Battleships" started to come about. Due to limited coal capacity and burning efficiency, most Ironclads of the mid to late 1800s still carried masts to harness the wind when burning coal 24/7 wasn't cost or fuel efficient.
It always irked me that Civilization assumed the only Ironclads were US Civil War era river-gunboats and that nobody ever bothered to ironclad an ocean going vessel, which (like the missing Hitler in Civ4) simply isn't true to history.
Thanks to Matt's work, we have more ship models to represent this forgotten yet still important part of maritime history.
GeneralMatt
Emperor
Yeah, In Civ 2 it was a Gunboat, in Civ 3 a Gunboat and here again..
Anyways, I should be able to get to these soon, after the Xebec I guess. The funny thing is, I was leafing through one of my little brothers 'I Spy' Books when I was bored and on one of the pages when I saw on the back of a playing card I guess, a ship, and under it the word Xebec! Looked quite cool to.
A sign from above maybe..
Anyways, I should be able to get to these soon, after the Xebec I guess. The funny thing is, I was leafing through one of my little brothers 'I Spy' Books when I was bored and on one of the pages when I saw on the back of a playing card I guess, a ship, and under it the word Xebec! Looked quite cool to.
A sign from above maybe..
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