Presidential Thread Term 5: The Chieftess's Tent - Victory is at Hand!!!!

[Chieftess]

Originally posted by donsig
The president can always call for a vote to over-ride a specific city's build queue. This is a valid way to deal with cities with no build queues.

From what I understood of the constitution, I would have needed a 2/3 quorum of council members, of which we only had 3 at most.

 

[donsig]

From the CoL, Section C, Point 3):
G) Spot Council Vote
(1) An Administrative vote called and carried out in the turn chat.
(2) Tallied immediately in the turn chat.
(3) Simple majority of respondents required to pass the proposed measure.

No quorum needed. Just add water. BTW, be sure the vote is carried out in the turn chat to avoid PI #6 type problems.

 

[disorganizer]

Hey, donsig!
We should lock you in the closet for the next game

Btw:
We should maybe make some rule adjustments before we start the next game. At least the run-1-office problem should be fixed, but IMHO we also need a concept for mayors and maybe regions (counties?). We could make provinces much bigger then and really stick them to natural borders. Also the national park thing should be resolved first (go all for vote there! we need your void because of this rediculously high quorum!).
And maybe the quorum rules should be fine-tuned also (average of the elections instead of the presidential election) as the 2/3 quorum is now, for example, impossible to reach (would be 37 votes. we never reached them before. how should we now?).

 

[disorganizer]

btw:
ct:
is this a poll-dos-attack you started on the poll-subforum?
did you register all those polls in the poll-registry?

you should have those invalid and duplicate polls closed...

 

[Chieftess]

I already asked Duke to close/delete them. Just because I'm a demogame helper doesn't mean I have mod powers.

 

[disorganizer]

But he stated it in his thread. Though i think mods should be denied official positions here (leaders and governors. they could be mayors and deputies though)

 

[Chieftess]

Look at the mod list. I have no mod powers.

 

[Shaitan]

There is no 2/3 quorum amount. The quorum is 1/2 of the census. For Term 5 the quorum is 26.

 

[Cyc]

Chieftess - Looking at your signature, I would say that the new constitution isn't scaring the newbies (I haven't heard any gripes from them), I'd say it was ruffling the feathers of the settled veterans who don't want to adapt to the new rules. Go Shaitan! "Father of the Constitution".

 

[disorganizer]

Shaitan: you told me in the national park poll the 2/3 is for laws. Now whats the deal?

 

[disorganizer]

Cyc: i more believe they dont read the rules at all. thats why they dont complain. most complains we got about the run-1 rule for example. if ppl will realize the quorum rule becoming a pain now as it is so high, there will propably also be complains. addition to this, many parts of the laws+standards just dont "fit", as things are missing (e.g. chat-rules)

 

[Cyc]

Well, Dis, both you and Donsig were right there when we made the new "C". If I remember correctly, Shaitan and I both stood on our little soap boxes and tried to tell you that an average of all the polls would be better. We foresaw the voter shanghai and the massive politiking for the Presidential race.

And you are right there was some complaining about the "1" rule. I'm glad it went through for one election cycle though. It kind of cleared the plate. Too bad the game is ending. Everyone saw the new "C" being built. It was posted right at the top of the citizens forum. How could you not know what was in it? Well it happened to me a couple of times, right under my nose. Remember the Citizens Proxy votes? That one really got away from me. Remember the Domestic Leader not being the Governor of the the Capital Province? That one snuck up on me too.

It's a good Constitution and its two books, the COL and the COS are also viable guides for the citizens of Phoenatica and beyond. I'm not saying the COL and the COS (or the Constitution for that matter) can't be changed. I'm saying try it out, test it, see if it works over time before you knock it down.

Just my two cents, anyway.

 

[disorganizer]

Well, noone talks about knocking it down. Just the finetuning has to be made... Maybe the "all to laws" poll was a bad way, as donsig proposed i would have rather preferred a "law by law" method of activating the sections.

 

[disorganizer]

I would like to encourage discussion on forum reorganization for the next game:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28937
we should not start reoganizations during the game again

 

[Cyc]

I thought Donsig changed his ways and went with me on the law-by-law approval method? See, we would have some good discussions.

 

[disorganizer]

i meant donsig and others (including me) prefered the law-by-law method. but the poll choose the other way, so ...

 

[Shaitan]

There still seems to be confusion over what a quorum is. A quorum is simply the minimum number of respondents required to make a poll valid. It has no other function and does not affect the result of the poll in any way (except to make it valid or invalid, of course).

The quorum level for citizen polls is 1/2 of the census. The census for Term 5 is 51 citizens. That makes the quorum for Term 5 equal to 26. This means that a poll must get 26 respondents (total of all votes) to be valid.

For a law to pass, 2/3 of the voters (not 2/3 of all citizens) must approve the proposal.

If 26 people vote in a poll it is valid. If that poll is for a law and at least 18 of them vote to approve the law, it passes and becomes a law.

 

[Cyc]

TY Shaitan. I understand quorum and approval levels now.

 

[Shaitan]

Happy to oblige.

 

[donsig]

There is confusion because of our CoL and CoS. I did indeed prefer the law by law version of building the code of laws. Shot myself in the foot on that one by sticking to the presidential election as the basis of the census. Well, actually screwed up by not running for president in term four. If I had run, then the term four census and quorum would have been higher and perhaps the CoL wouldn't have been passed into law.

How can there be doubt that the laws are confusing? How can there be doubt that we do not want to move the CoL and CoS verbatim into the next game?