-Prethread- NCNESIOT: Blackened Skies

It's better as a socialist hymn which is what it is. Lawson's A Song of the Republic, Republican Pioneers or Flag of the Southern Cross are all explicitly Republican in purpose and would be better to ban.

I also find it a stretch to imagine an Australia that isn't politically more or less the same as OTL. Our particular brand of white supremacy, protectionism, Antipodean socialism and so on were almost inevitable features of being a white settler state that was a long way from home. New Zealand developed more or less the same. There wasn't really any other path. Case in point, Federation was sold as a means of keep Australia White. Hell like the first Act passed was the Migration Act 1901 which would have banned most of the thread from setting foot here. Y'all had to be of proper Germanic or Celtic (White) stock to immigrate.
 
Australia's utter repulse of its own inevitable fate is well-known.
 
I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.
 
Australia as a sparsely populated enclave of white settlers near Asia is 'doomed' to a future where non-whites are predominant, don't you think?

So my comment is that Australia's white settle population fear of that probable outcome, which is obviously the driver for its racial and immigration policies in the last century, i well-known.
 
The Qing Dynasty

Spoiler :
The decline of the Qing Dynasty in the 19th century might be traced to a variety of structural deficiencies within its empire, but if one were to want to trace to the event that set things in motion, it would be the First Opium War with Britain. The British proved that a modern European force could defeat a much larger Asian power who used outdated weaponry. This victory encouraged France, Russia, and the Dutch to also establish themselves in China, eager to take riches for their own empires. A steady stream of Chinese silver left the nation in exchange for opium to the fury of imperial officials.

It was not until the Emperor Tongzhi ascended the throne, with the help of his regents, that the Qing were able to turn the dynasty around. Outside of the traditional banner system, the Qing established a new Beiyang Army equipped with modern military weaponry and employing western tactics, alongside a new Beiyang Fleet. These soldiers were to be the core of a new, modern military for the Qing Dynasty, and quickly proved themselves, both against rebels and Westerners. It was the ascendent of Prince Chun and General Song as regents that the Qing at last moved to complete reforms with the child Xuantong Emperor as their malleable puppet. General Song was of a previous era, winning his great victories in the 19th century, but knew of the need to create a modern fighting force. While the Beiyang forces were equal to many Western armies, they were few in number. General Song sought to create a Western army that outnumbered all of its opponents. Many of the generals and other senior officers supported General Song due to their respect for him, but many of the younger officers, who had never served with him, rebelled, angry that the General would take away the privileges of the Beiyang forces.

The Qing Dynasty has since lost many of its southern territories, and has become increasingly unpopular with the Han population. However, with General Song’s prestige, the tradition of the Qing Dynasty, and a flood of foreign weapons, the Qing was able to hold off some of the Beiyang and other rebel forces. Song was able to sideline both Prince Chun and the rest of the Manchu aristocracy and consolidated a large, national army, ending both the Beiyang and the Banner system for the Qing.

The loss of both the factories of the south and of Manchuria has severely weakened the Qing, but in their struggle to the death in this bloody civil war, the Qing do have some distinct advantages. The Qing possess much of the formerly German trained General Staff for the Army, and their defensive tactics have bleed the National Republican troops multiple times. Furthermore, the Qing Dynasty still does have great prestige in China, especially with the ascent of General Song (a Han) to its upper echelons. Song in turn has won the loyalty of the other races within China, a major contrast to the National Republic. While not being completely stable, the Qing are on much firmer ground than the National Republic, and with this, Song hopes that the Qing can prevail and bring peace once more to China.


National Han Republic of China

Spoiler :
The National Han Republic of China was established with the revolt of the Beiyang Army and a majority of the Beiyang Navy, led by the younger officers, motivated with a mixture of pride, ideology, and corruption. Initially scattered bands of rebel, rival warlords who fought one another as often as they fought the Qing, the widely respected Han nationalist and former advocate of westernization, Li Zhuten, returned from exile at the behest of merchants and other non-military factions who wanted to see the end of the factionalism within the rebellion. Zhuten had the prestige and respect needed to get many of the Beiyang leaders to form in coalition around [Hu Diao], the commander at Nanjing and a noted advocate for the end of the monarchy. Under Diao and Zhuten, a new republic was formed, and warlords who had delusions of becoming Emperor themselves have been eliminated.

Since the formation of the Republic, Diao has rapidly eclipsed Zhuten in power, using state of emergency decrees to effectively circumvent Zhuten’s constitution. All adult male Han citizens of the Republic have the right to vote in the elections held every five years for both the Presidency and the National Assembly. When he first ascended to power and wrote the constitution, the Zhuten presidency figured to make the office a strong focal point of power, with the National Assembly serving more as a check on dictatorial power. However the failure to establish meaningful civilian control over the military has allowed Diao to more or less rule as a military dictator. So long as the National Assembly and the now figurehead Zhuten do not challenge him directly though, Diao is content to allow elections to proceed and to let the National Assembly function. For their part, the National Assemblymen mostly agree that due to the continued existence of the Qing, Diao should not be challenged for now, and most support his rule and conduct of war against the Imperials. Strangely enough, in recent years, socialist and communist parties have done particularly well and are some of the more enthusiastic supporters of Diao.

In regards to the war and the military, a truce was declared in 1928, and renewed in 1929, a truce that is scheduled to end in late 1929. The Republic has used this time to rapidly rebuild its military; in particular, the tank program has been a major focus of their efforts to rebuild. Learning the lessons from the previous war though, the Beiyang army is now fielding conscripts in its army, determined to ensure they will not be outnumbered by the Qing once more. The conscription orders have been greatly unpopular, being seen as desperate and has been harmful to the Chinese economy, especially as starvation increases in the rural areas. That being said, the Republican army definitively surpasses the Qing, any many are anticipating a knockout blow to at last crush the Qing, so long as Guangxi does not interfere...


The Confederation of Guangxi

Spoiler :
The Confederation of Guangxi is lead by General Nong Zhigao as the third player in this Chinese Civil War, serving as a spoiler to both sides. General Nong, a member of the Zhuang minority group, was a legendary leader of the Beiyang Army when it was still loyal to the Qing, and was known for feats such as being able to shoot 100 arrows in a row and hit the same spot each time. With the rising of the civil war in China, General Nong quickly distanced himself from the conflict, and, in fear for his family and people, made his own confederation in Guangxi. In Guangxi, he has made a powerful army that is extremely loyal to him, and due to the isolation from the fighting, the economy of the region has grown and prospered, selling goods and weapons to both sides of the conflict. General Nong has taken a more or less lax approach to governance, and has immersed himself in the training of his National Model Army.

The people of Guangxi are generally relieved to stay out of the conflict, and are mostly content to leave the two sides dying against one another due to hatred of both. However, for General Nong, the conflict is more personal. On the Qing side, General Nong’s mentor, General Song, has asked him to join him once more, to remember their old loyalty to the Emperor and help him usher in a new era for the Qing and China. It would be a tempting offer, were it not also for the presence of General Diao, Nong’s former protege, within the National Republic. With both his student and master calling for aid, Nong has done neither, drilling his troops and burying himself in his study.

It remains to be seen how this Civil War will play. Will China be reunited once more? In that outcome, Guangxi has much to fear, but perhaps negotiations might win rights for the Zhuang? Instead it might be more prudent to act to keep both sides at war, or even to ignore the rest of China altogether, and look south towards Vietnam and the Pacific, to find their fortune that way? Guangxi has much to gain, and everything to lose. How will Nong lead his people?
 
You're mostly wrong. Our racism didn't develop out of our geographic isolation. That sharpened it in a way say Canada or the UK didn't experience. But the truth is Australia wasn't exceptional in its racism. We shared it with the UK because we got it from them. We were British, the British were racist, thus we were racist. Canada supports this view. It was geographically far more isolated than us... and still had immigration policies which, in effect, barred non-whites. The UK is itself a good example too. It did much the same as Australia and Canada, although it was tempered a little by the needs of Empire. The rich and well connected non-whites could come but not poor non-whites, never those.

Geograpical proximity is also a terrible measure of our likeliness of becoming an Asian majority state. First point, our international migration is too low. Second, it's not like Asia is our sole source of migrants. Third point, Australia is constantly redefining whiteness. One hundred years ago, a Catalan would probably not have been considered white. Sixty years ago, they'd have been considered a Wog which would have marked them as a kind of inferior white at the best or just plain not white at the worst. Now a Catalan would be considered white. In ten to fifteen years, Arabs will be white for Australian proposes. Lebanese Marionites and Turks are blazing that trail now. Consequently, the number of white people is growing out of proportion to natural increase here. Fourth, we don't suck at assimilation like you guys in Europe seem too. Nobody really doubts that recent migrants can be Australian and it's almost a given that a second generation migrant is Australian.
 
I I don't want to argue about this because I don't know about this.
 
OOC

I think the Danish flag is just the ordinary Danish flag.

Having the oldest flag in the world melds perfectly with the Danish self-understanding in this IOT.
 
Yarr, this be now the meta-thread. Discuss meta-concerns with respect to the game - rules, intentions, smack talk - in this thread.
 
To note : UK will wait for new mobilization rules before choosing to mobilize or not. I've edited my diplo. Sorry for the confusion.
 
Immaculate said:
@Crezth: Please mark player claims in the stats link also. Ari-gâteau
Click to expand...

It is done. Incidentally, stats should be updated to account for the new rules. You should be able to use them and base cost, etc as normal.
 
Fixed, just go to Crezth's link
 
Ouestion about the nature of updates:

Is updateyear the year in which actions that turn happen or the year in which the last turns actions are resolved?
 
The turn that you take the actions is the update, you send orders and the update resolves those orders
 
Yes, so, for instance, we just posted Update 0 detailing the events of 1930; now consider 1930 to have *just* passed and you are operating in 1931.
 
Many thanks
 
How exactly does a nation change its centralization level, nuka?
 
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