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What do the Xie approve of besides crawling into a hole?
Integrating conquered territories, giving them more appointments in the bureaucracy, most obvious bribes. They are chiefly interested in retrenchment not as an end in itself but as a means to the end of attacking Yang and/or Liang to play for mastery of China; they believe that state finances and military resources need to be built up before any war can be contemplated.
Kraznaya said:
Shouldn't there be an admiralty faction?
The merchantry control most of it. So, no.
Kraznaya said:
How are the Daoists reconciling their support of authority 'carefully?'
Much the same way they did in OTL. Take a look, for instance, at the famous Cao family. The Liang also rather sneakily have the advantage of justifying their corvee labor through Daoism; repairing roads can be and has been called 'sacred to the Way'. They also have constructed 'quiet rooms' in major cities in which people can meditate and do penance. It's mostly an assortment of 'little things'.
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If not Confucian or Legalist, what principles of governance are the Liang following?
Actually, somewhat confused ones. The Liang dynast still claims to be Son of Heaven, and absolutely forbids worship of deities like the Queen Mother. But that "absolutely" is done with a bit of a wink and a nod these days. The whole thing needs a new formulation.
Could you give me some information on the factions in Cambria?
I could!

...and will.

Ceredigion: the king of Ceredigion is the most powerful of the Cambrian rulers in military terms. This is mostly because he hasn't had to waste his valuable blood and treasure fighting the Rygi. He's also got the best connections with everybody else. He tends to push wars with the Rygi because he won't have to be the one to fight them, unless things get really ugly.
Powys: the king of Powys is a constant rival of his Ceredigian neighbor, both due to trivial friction (you stole my bgoat!) and nontrivial friction (there aren't a lot of urban centers in Powys so trade has to run through Ceredigion for the most part, and the Ceredigian king levies a hefty duty). Since Ceredigion tends by virtue of weight to get most of its policies through the Council the king of Powys is a tad embittered.
Dyfnaint: the king of Dyfnaint is chomping at the bit to fight the Rygi, and is pissed that peace is prevailing. He tends to fear Rygi power, being on the front lines and all. Think of him like a Cato the Censor. That's his main issue, though he also supports expanding the common navy.
Elmet: the king of Elmet is both weak and close to the Rygi. He tends to shy away from any wars with them and is the most supportive of increasing the size of the common army.
Rheged: the king of Rheged is far enough from the Rygi not to have to worry about getting screwed in most wars with them, but weak enough to be forced to fight by the Ceredigian king. They tend to support fighting with Ystrad Clud as well, on a low-level "let's plunder them gaise" basis, but it's not exactly a critical plank in their policy.

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As you can see, most of the factions' kings' opinions on stuff have to do with a) common military forces and policy and b) common diplomatic policy, because those are the only issues actually handled by the Council. In all other respects the kings tend to be independent, though the Council may serve as an arbitrator between any two of them on a mutual dispute.
Haven't I been sucessfull in eliminating my competition?
Hey, I'm still here.
 
Dachs, would you prefer I play Pala or Chola to Japan? It seems that India needs some players.
Well, Chola's got an applicant (Anonymoose) at first choice already. And it looks like conehead is interested in Pala! So we're good. Though, a Baktria player would be excellent - that's the last major hole we have left, and it's quite a sizable hole...
Can you tell me Bactrian and Sogdianan factions?
Yeah, no problem.

Dayuan: 'Great Yuan', a nomadic group of Saka origin [not the same as OTL Dayuan], the pastoralists who accompanied Stasanor into Sogdiane and formed the backbone of his army. Loyal to the king, tend to violently oppose any attempts to get them to make a sedentary living.
Hellenes: the Greeks who colonized Sogdiane. While it is hard to categorize their overall opinion of most events or policies they tend to be very wary about their Dayuan 'saviors' and extremely suspicious of any anti-Sophist powers. Their loyalty to the Dayuan stems in great part from Stasanor et al's willingness to adopt Greek language and Sophist religion, and their terror at the alternatives.
Merchantry: the Silk Route merchants, oddly enough. Are especially leery of war with Areia and the Tantan, and would rather bribe the Tantan away instead of having to suffer trade-disrupting raids.
Chorasmians: more pastoralists, longer-term residents who live in Chorasmia/Khwarizm/the northern part of Sogdiane and are vaguely related to the Mazsakata. Are more or less Hellenized. Very suspicious of the Dayuan and their current protagonism in the state, which is displacing their traditionally dominant role in the Sogdianan military.

Royal bureaucracy: seems pretty self-explanatory. While a relatively small organization of a few thousands, these guys run the state and tend to support imperial initiatives that don't shake up the bureaucracy. There's no real standardized entrance exam or anything to get in, and the bureaucracy is chiefly made up of people with the money or connections to get a post. Very efficient.
Hellenes: the Greek settlers of Baktria. Also should be fairly self-explanatory. Deeply Sophist. Tend to be the most anti-Areian of the various groups in Baktria.
Paropamisans: the Iranohellenic residents of the Paropamisadai, or the Hindu Kush. Still a few Zoroastrians among this group and they are marginally more supportive of rapprochement with Areia than the other Baktrian groups.
Kapisans: the Hellenic settlers of Kapisene, which is more or less there area around Alexandreia of the Caucasus [Kapisa, OMD Bagram Air Base] and Kophen [Kabul]. Tend to oppose Kaspeireia.
 
Here are the requests by nation (updated). Each first, second or thrid choice is in [ ]. Two names in a [ ] means two people choose that nation for the same choice. ie NK and supermath both choose Cambrian empire as their first choice, but no one else even selected it. Please let me know if you see an error.

Cambrian Confederacy: [Nuclear Kid Supermath] [none] [ none]
Kingdom of Rygia: [Perfectionist] [none] [yui108 Nuclear Kid]
Kingdom of Nerwia: [none] [Perfectionist] [none]
Kingdom of Walhia: [none] [Supermath Bill3000] [none]
Iberian Empire: [Shadowbound germanicus12] [ none] [none]
Aorsi Horde: [none] [ none] [Flavius Aetius]
Republic of Panormos: [Thlayli] [TheWesley] [none]

Kingdom of Chaonia: [none] [Cynovolans] [conehead234]
Ruxsalannoi Horde: [flyingchicke] [none] [Supermath]
Kingdom of Makedonia: [none] [flyingchicken] [germanicus12]
Kingdom of Mysia: [Flavius Aetius Justo] [ none] [none]
Kingdom of Kimmerian: Bosporos [germanicus12] [none] [ none]
Kingdom of Pisidia: [Justo] [ none] [none]
Perseid Empire: [Bill3000] [Azale] [none]
Kingdom of Aigyptos: [Kentharu] [Thlayli] [Birdjaguar]

Aksumite Empire: [none] [Kentharu Shadowbound] [none]
Armenian Empire: [none] [Cynovolans] [none]
Seleukid Empire: [Cynovolans] [none] [Espoir]
Mazsakata Horde: [none] [Espoir] [none]
Kingdom of Areia: [Karalyasia Espoir] [Flavius Aetius] [none]
Kingdom of Sogdiane: [none] [ none] [none]
Kingdom of Baktria: [none] [ none] [none]

Kingdom of Kaspeireia: [yui108] [none] [ none]
League of Patalene: [none] [none] [Azale Kraznaya]
Pala Empire: [conehead234] [Nuclear Kid] [none]
Chola Empire: [Anonymoose] [conehead234] [Kentharu]
Tantan Qaganate: [none] [ none] [none]
Houqin Dynasty: [none] [ none] [none]

Daliang Dynasty: [Abaddon TheWesley] [none] [none]
Dayang Dynasty: [Azale] [yui108] [none]
Wu Dynasty: [Kraznaya] [Birdjaguar] [none]
Nanyue Dynasty: [Alex944 ] [Kraznaya] [none]
Yamato Empire: [Birdjaguar] [none] [none]
 
Well, Chola's got an applicant (Anonymoose) at first choice already. And it looks like conehead is interested in Pala! So we're good. Though, a Baktria player would be excellent - that's the last major hole we have left, and it's quite a sizable hole...
Baktria eh...I need to think about that. Yamoto is situated more to my style than Baktria. Lets wait and see.

Otherwise the list is updated and anonymoose added.
 
You have coney as choosing Chaonia as a first choice, where I think he wants it third, BJ. Could be wrong though.

No first choices for Aorsi, Nerwia, or Walhia...Western Europe is still looking a tad sparse, gentlemen.

Also, I do not envy the future occupant of the aforementioned Cambrian Confederacy. You gon' get raped.
 
Here are the requests by nation (updated). Each first, second or thrid choice is in [ ]. Two names in a [ ] means two people choose that nation for the same choice. ie NK and supermath both choose Cambrian empire as their first choice, but no one else even selected it. Please let me know if you see an error.

Cambrian Confederacy: [Nuclear Kid Supermath] [none] [ none]
Kingdom of Rygia: [Perfectionist] [none] [yui108 Nuclear Kid]
Kingdom of Nerwia: [none] [Perfectionist] [none]
Kingdom of Walhia: [none] [Supermath Bill3000] [none]
Iberian Empire: [Shadowbound] [germanicus12] [none]
Aorsi Horde: [none] [ none] [Flavius Aetius]
Republic of Panormos: [Thlayli] [TheWesley] [none]

Kingdom of Chaonia: [none] [Cynovolans] [conehead234]
Ruxsalannoi Horde: [flyingchicken] [none] [Supermath]
Kingdom of Makedonia: [none] [flyingchicken] [germanicus12]
Kingdom of Mysia: [Flavius Aetius Justo] [ none] [none]
Kingdom of Kimmerian Bosporos: [germanicus12] [none] [ none]
Kingdom of Pisidia: [none] [Justo] [none]
Perseid Empire: [Bill3000] [Azale] [none]
Kingdom of Aigyptos: [Kentharu] [Thlayli] [Birdjaguar]

Aksumite Empire: [none] [Kentharu Shadowbound] [none]
Armenian Empire: [none] [Cynovolans] [none]
Seleukid Empire: [Cynovolans] [none] [Espoir]
Mazsakata Horde: [none] [Espoir] [none]
Kingdom of Areia: [Karalysia Espoir] [Flavius Aetius] [none]
Kingdom of Sogdiane: [none] [ none] [none]
Kingdom of Baktria: [none] [ none] [none]

Kingdom of Kaspeireia: [yui108] [none] [ none]
League of Patalene: [none] [none] [Azale Kraznaya]
Pala Empire: [conehead234] [Nuclear Kid] [none]
Chola Empire: [Anonymoose] [conehead234] [Kentharu]
Tantan Qaganate: [none] [ none] [none]
Houqin Dynasty: [none] [ none] [none]

Daliang Dynasty: [Abaddon TheWesley] [none] [none]
Dayang Dynasty: [Azale] [yui108] [none]
Wu Dynasty: [Kraznaya] [Birdjaguar] [none]
Nanyue Dynasty: [Alex944 ] [Kraznaya] [none]
Yamato Empire: [Birdjaguar] [none] [none]


Fixed a ton of mistakes for Dachs.
 
And this is the definition of irony because you don't know who Insane_Panda fought in AFSNES I. In Britain. And lost to.

Well, I figure that if I can survive two turns of I_P, I can at least go a full turn and a half before being forcibly annexed and/or genocided.
 
Dachs, change my second choice (Kingdom of Areia) to Kingdom of Baktria.
 
I know this is kind of stupid but I want to create my own nation. Is there anyway I could do that?
 
Wait, I think I might want to switch from Kaspeiria to Baktria. Baktria sounds like it has a lot more potential. Is that ok/right Dachs?
 
Here are the requests by nation (updated). Each first, second or thrid choice is in [ ]. Two names in a [ ] means two people choose that nation for the same choice. ie NK and supermath both choose Cambrian empire as their first choice, but no one else even selected it. Please let me know if you see an error.

Cambrian Confederacy: [Nuclear Kid Supermath] [none] [ none]
Kingdom of Rygia: [Perfectionist] [none] [yui108 Nuclear Kid]
Kingdom of Nerwia: [none] [Perfectionist] [none]
Kingdom of Walhia: [none] [Supermath Bill3000] [none]
Iberian Empire: [Shadowbound] [germanicus12] [none]
Aorsi Horde: [none] [ none] [Flavius Aetius]
Republic of Panormos: [Thlayli] [TheWesley] [none]

Kingdom of Chaonia: [none] [Cynovolans] [conehead234]
Ruxsalannoi Horde: [flyingchicken] [none] [Supermath]
Kingdom of Makedonia: [none] [flyingchicken] [germanicus12 Shadowbound]
Kingdom of Mysia: [Flavius Aetius Justo] [ none] [none]
Kingdom of Kimmerian Bosporos: [germanicus12] [none] [ none]
Kingdom of Pisidia: [none] [Justo] [none]
Perseid Empire: [Bill3000] [Azale] [none]
Kingdom of Aigyptos: [Kentharu] [Thlayli] [Birdjaguar]

Aksumite Empire: [none] [Kentharu Shadowbound] [none]
Armenian Empire: [none] [Cynovolans] [none]
Seleukid Empire: [Cynovolans] [none] [Espoir]
Mazsakata Horde: [none] [Espoir] [none]
Kingdom of Areia: [Karalysia Espoir] [none] [none]
Kingdom of Sogdiane: [none] [ none] [none]
Kingdom of Baktria: [Yui108] [Flavius Aetius] [none]

Kingdom of Kaspeireia: [none] [none] [ none]
League of Patalene: [none] [none] [Azale Kraznaya]
Pala Empire: [conehead234] [Nuclear Kid] [none]
Chola Empire: [Anonymoose] [conehead234] [Kentharu]
Tantan Qaganate: [none] [ none] [none]
Houqin Dynasty: [none] [ none] [none]

Daliang Dynasty: [Abaddon TheWesley] [none] [none]
Dayang Dynasty: [Azale] [yui108] [none]
Wu Dynasty: [Kraznaya] [Birdjaguar] [none]
Nanyue Dynasty: [Alex944 ] [Kraznaya] [none]
Yamato Empire: [Birdjaguar] [none] [none]


More modifications made.
Re: Shadowbound
Tuesday, according to the OP.
 
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